Goalkeeping problem on the horizon?

[BacheLot]

CQ calling up 4th keeper to final list, is certainly a message directed @ rahmati..! Most probably still his preferred starter, due to experience..!
I would certainly hope that CQ gives some considerable time to Haghghi (my first choice..!) or other keepers in the camp, so we won't be so inexperienced & raw @ our sub. options should rahmati continues with his recent struggles & to me always shaky fundamentals ..! I'm not 100% Certain that his possible subs would be ahead shoulder improvements..! Yet..! & unlike most, don't rate this Ahmadi guy much, certainly not as a rahmati replacement out of nowhere..!( fact is its easy to look solid as a keeper when u have well organized defense & team in front of u..!)
Rahmati cemented his starting position in TM during Daie's risky play Tactics where he single handily saved some would be 1 on 1 attacks with his great reactions & exceptional anticipations..! All along he remained shaky foundamentally on bossing his box, exits on CKs & dead balls & leadership & communication & organization of his D line..! Well his insane vaakonesh seems to have gone to shitts as of late ..! He still Fails big to boss his 6 yard box ..! Seem to be missing the all important general confidence too & gets unraveled mentally in high stress games & right now simply looks not very convincing & ery much volnerable to our would be opponents..!

Don't think it's right time to bench him though as we have not quite dressed up a would be replacement ....!

IMO, unlike the Daie's TM, CQ's (even Gholabi's TM to a degree..!) is well organized & formidable enough defensively to require more of a Solid Fundamentally, Confident , well poised, Positionally Sound, vocal leader rather than a emotional guy with too much flair for dramatics but shaky & unprofessional GK basics ..!

Outside the shortcomings of Young age (which is a big source of respect in our culture..!)& lack of international Experience , as of yet, I really think the future of TM GKeeping lies in hands of AR Haghighi..!

[Doctor DOOM]

not trying to divert attention from Rahmati here. All I was trying to say is that we cannot say Ahmadi is better than Rahmati because rahmati conceded and Ahmadi did not. Rahmati may have lost some form and had bad days, but this does not make Ahmadi better than him. I saw Ahmadi drop the ball in the same game more than rahmati, but the difference was that Ahmadi had better defense to help him than rahmati. Football is a team sport, when the team scores, the whole team plays a role, and when the team concedes, then usually the whole team is at fault.
in short all I'm saying is that ahmadi is not better than rahmati from my point of view.

if anyone used that logic (in red), then you have complete right to call him a moron. that (one concedes a goal in a game while the other didnt in another game) just doesnt make sense.

we are talking about EXECUTION of his keeping, his increasing (in frequency as well as number) failings in crosses & exits, his wrong choices of deflection/parry/blocks, ... that have been happening in recent year (or at least 7-8 months).

if there is any reference to concession of goals it is about how rahmati shows his lack of form in exiting , timing of exits, or deflecting crosses or shots and concedes goals, while ahmadi showed great exits and parries in similar circumstances (crosses and shots and ..)

a very good keeper may get all the blocks and exits and judgments right and still concede goals. that's unavoidable. but as long as he executes the task properly, not much can he be faulted with. we see this everywhere.
but another keeper may exit wrongly, time it badly and do poorly in blocks/parries, .. and still get lucky and not concede a single goal. does that mean he has done well? really?

[zzgloo]

^ bahram jan, that ball SHOULD have been the goalkeeper's.
keepers usually collect those or at least parry/deflect them.

what rahmati did was first decided to come out, then decided against it and got rooted in the middle of the way. as they say, he was caught in no man's land. he neither stayed back on the goal line to protect it, nor did he reach the ball to influence it!

this is the biggest mistake a keeper can do. even worse than those who do come out but misjudge the flight and angle of the ball (he makes this mistake also quite a lot!). coz at least they can say they attempted to do something about the ball.
here, he cant even have that excuse!

Payman Jaan....
I am with you in the totality of the issue ..in regards to Rahmati....
But just for the record....on that particular duty of a goal keeper,in such circumstances...he had no choice.....
Keepers should not make any attempt to reach the ball when the traffic is bussy.....there were up to 13 players on his very close proximity,and 6 in particular packed on his path to the ball.

[Martin-Reza]

So now we saw Haghighi. Barely tested, conceded a rather unstoppable goal, but dropped an easy save and made a blunder when trying to clear the ball outside the box, completely hitting over the ball and being lucky to be able to clear with a header then.

[Doctor DOOM]

So now we saw Haghighi. Barely tested, conceded a rather unstoppable goal, but dropped an easy save and made a blunder when trying to clear the ball outside the box, completely hitting over the ball and being lucky to be able to clear with a header then.

Exactly.
and that puts him somewhere close & similar to rahmati. and a step or two behind Ahmadi.
not bad, eh? (although I dont realy like haghighi)

[zzgloo]

Ok...what is a coach..or a realistic fan supposed to do ?....
My Vote is still with Rahmati.....his mistakes have never been as costly as the ones The keeper under Branko used to have ( was he Mirzapour ? I already forgot the name )....and his fantastic saves,have never been done by any other currant Goalkeepers.....
The choice is not always between Bad and good, ..it is some times between bad and worse......

[Martin-Reza]

^^ Oh please, Ahmadi is another wishful thinking player you fantasize about, just like the million of leftbacks you proposed for trial. Ahmadi is not among Iran's topkeepers. He's above average but he'll never be Iran's number one. Have you been sleeping over the last few years when Ahmadi proved he's not Iran's number one again and again?

[Doctor DOOM]

^^ Oh please, Ahmadi is another wishful thinking player you fantasize about, just like the million of leftbacks you proposed for trial. Ahmadi is not among Iran's top keepers. He's above average but he'll never be Iran's number one. Have you been sleeping over the last few years when Ahmadi proved he's not Iran's number one again and again?

mate, why do you do this to yourself? ppl will start thinking all sorts of things.
you may not "like" ahmadi (for whatever reasons you have). fine by me. I dont care. but to deny reality and hard facts only tarnishes your image on the board, mate.

like it or not, Ahmadi has shown more form and quality keeping in recent months than rahmati, who has faltered.
now, you want to hark back and rely on what rahmati used to be and used to do a year ago and claim, based on what he USED TO DO A YEAR AGO, he is the best TOADY ? go ahead. But I doubt you'd find many ppl agreeing with you.
ppl change. some improve, some stagnate and some regress.

just as ahmadi wasnt such a hot prospect a year or two ago, he IS today.
Just as rahmati was one of the weakest keepers in IPL some 3 years or so back, he improved and became the best in one year

now, if you're denying this phenomenon of change (for better or for worse), then you're denying the truth

[zzgloo]

I believe...who CQ will choose to play against Uzbakistan...will answer many questions....
I am very confident it will be Rahmati

[BacheLot]

yea Haghighi's performance vs albanian wasnt convincing enough to warrant a change from CQ..!! Rahmati will most likely start vs uzbeks, but god forbid he makes another stupid blunder or give away another PK in a wcq..!! he will surely fall from grace for good then..!!
i still believe haghighi is the Future of TM keeping and once he gets some more confidence and composure stemming from experience, he will own that starting spot for years to come..!!

[KeonKish]

Ahmadi is good, but I want to point out one VERY crucial thing. Sepahan has a GOOD defense on set pieces. While SS has soorakh defense , which forced rahmati to have to make weird saves. I'm sure if ahmadi had to play under rahmati's pressure he would crack, we should definitely try ahmadi though. Haghigi does not have the club OR National experience to be our keeper. Factor in iran's hashiye and expectations and you have one very Stressful situation. In my opinion Rahmati should still be our number one. He has the best reflexes, hands down. If you surround Rahmati by Sepahan i'm sure he will quit with his mental paranoia.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ you may have a point on the defense making a difference.
But here's another point: CQ has NOT surrounded rahmati with sepahan's defense. in fact with heidari, montazeri, rahmati, what we have is a more ss-like defense than a sepahan-like one.

secondly, rahmati has bungled balls and shots and crosses at TM too. so we cant really pin it on the ss defenders only

[KeonKish]

^ you may have a point on the defense making a difference.
But here's another point: CQ has NOT surrounded rahmati with sepahan's defense. in fact with heidari, montazeri, rahmati, what we have is a more ss-like defense than a sepahan-like one.

secondly, rahmati has bungled balls and shots and crosses at TM too. so we cant really pin it on the ss defenders only

No we can not, but I can guarantee you SS other than heydari and montazeri has a REALLY weak defense.

[Martin-Reza]

Rahmati shireh!!!!

[CHaMiLLionaire]

Is it time to close this thread now?