Is Queiroz failing?

[Doctor DOOM]

here's why I find it increasingly hard to trust CQ and it doesnt get better as days go by and as I read his comments.

his latest comment, as I'm sure you all have read by now, is "I will not call any of the older players anymore".
here's my cynical take, if you will: why shd it take a gigantically disgraceful loss and an all-out assault from fans and media for you to suddenly discover using aged players is not the right idea? did you find out the truth only after being threatened? did you not see it in the previous games?

if we hadnt lost to lebanon. lets say if we had drawn, I'm sure you'd have said "a point from an AWAY game is good enough" and you (and fans like you) would have recounted some silly lebanon match that made the darw look like freaking victory over brazil in the end! and here's the rub; you wouldnt be saying "older players will not be called"!!!!

so this means you are merely SAYING things that people want to hear. not only uou dont believe in this, but you may even refuse to change things after a couple of weeks, once the dust has settled and most mindless fans are busy with some crappy ss/pp match or derby or ... etc.

I just cant trust you anymore.

[Martin-Reza]

I don't think he will drop any of his current key players. I think he is stubborn and will stick to his plan.

[St_Mark]

I don't think he will drop any of his current key players. I think he is stubborn and will stick to his plan.

I agree.
He will invite few younger players including Haghighi and Ykarimi... but he will start with his key players.

No indication of Plan B if he has one.
I don't think it is wise to impose on him a condition that he does not believe in .

[zzgloo]

گزارش برنامه 90/



تزریق پول*های بی*رویه عامل افت فوتبال ایران شد/ زبان عادل اشتباه چرخید!



خبرگزاری مهر - گروه ورزشی: در نظرسنجی که برنامه نود از مخاطبانش خواسته بود مهمترین دلیل افت فوتبال ایران را انتخاب کنند، اکثر شرکت کنندگان تزریق بی*رویه پول و بی انگیزگی بازیکنان را به عنوان عامل اصلی افت فوتبال کشور معرفی کردند.




به گزارش خبرنگار مهر، برنامه دوشنبه شب نود در شرایطی روی آنتن رفت که بخش عمده ای از وقت آن به بررسی دلایل افت فوتبال ایران و البته پخش نشدن کامل دیدار تیم ملی فوتبال ایران برابر لبنان اختصاص داشت و عادل فردوسی پور با دعوت از امیر حاج رضایی و مشاور حقوقی سازمان صدا و سیما قصد داشت به این دو مشکل رسیدگی کند.

در بخش اول امیر حاج رضایی نقطه نظراتش را پیرامون دلایل ناکامی تیم ملی در دیدارهای مقدماتی جام جهانی را برشمرد و در بخشی از صحبت هایش حسین فرکی را به عنوان گزینه ایرانی برای حضور در کادر فنی پیشنهاد کرد. این کارشناس فوتبال در توجیه این پیشنهادش گفت: حسین فرکی تنها فردی است که هم به عنوان بازیکن و هم به عنوان مربی دو جام جهانی را تجربه کرده و اشراف کاملی بر شرایط تیم ملی و فوتبال ایران دارد و می تواند به کی روش کمک کند.

این پیشنهاد در شرایطی مطرح شد که کارلوس کی روش اعلام کرده هیچ مربی به کادر فنی تیم ملی فوتبال ایران اضافه نخواهد شد و با همین نفرات به کارش ادامه خواهد داد.

در بخش دیگری از برنامه غلامرضا رفیعی مشاور حقوقی سازمان صداوسیما به ارائه توضیحاتی در مورد پخش نشدن کامل دیدار تیم ملی فوتبال ایران و لبنان پرداخت و تاکید کرد به خاطر مبلغ بالایی که برای خرید حق پخش این دیدار خواسته بودند صداوسیما با درخواست آنها موافقت نکرد.

رفیعی در بخشی از صحبت هایش در مورد بالا رفتن مبالغ حق پخش تلویزیونی گفت: در چهار سال گذشته و برای پکیج کلی مسابقات 4 میلیون دلار می دادیم، یکدفعه شد 40 میلیون دلار و با تخفیف می گویند 10 میلیون دلار. ما می گوییم فقط 5 میلیون دلار می دهیم که 25 درصد هم قیمت ها را بالا برده ایم.

هر چند مشاور حقوقی صداوسیما تلاش می کرد تا فردوسی پور را قانع کند که به خاطر حق مردم و از دست نرفتن سرمایه آنها حاضر به پرداخت این مبلغ نشده اند، اما مجری برنامه نود تاکید می کرد که شان مردم بالاتر از این است که به خواسته آنها توجه نکنیم و حتی اگر شده باید از خود مردم پول گرفت اما فوتبال تیم ملی کشورشان را برایشان پخش کرد.

عادل فردوسی پور که تلاش می کرد تلویزیون را تنها منبع دسترسی مردم به رقابت های ورزشی خصوصا بازی های فوتبال معرفی کند در بخشی از صحبت هایش در حالی که از حق مردم دفاع می کرد زبانش اشتباه چرخید و در حالی که می رفت در مورد ممنوع بودن ماهواره در ایران صحبت کند، به طور خودجوش جمله اش را نیمه کاره رها کرد و سراغ بحث بعدی رفت!

جدال چند دقیقه ای عادل فردوسی پور و مشاور حقوقی صداوسیما در نهایت به سوال میلیون ها بیننده پاسخ نداد که بالاخره در دیدارهای آینده بازی های تیم ملی به صورت مستقیم پخش خواهد شد یا بازهم اتفاقات دیدار با لبنان تکرار خواهد شد.

در ادامه این برنامه به اتفاقات لیگ برتر پرداخته شد که اخراج امید هرندی از تیم داماش گیلان یکی از این اتفاقات بود. هرندی که روی خط تلفنی برنامه آمده بود خبر درگیری اش با سرپرست داماش را تایید و تاکید کرد که مسئولان باشگاه از هفته سوم به بعد دنبال اخراج او بودند.

مرتضی کریمی کمک داور دیدار جنجالی فولاد خوزستان و ذوب آهن اصفهان هم یکی از افرادی بود که پیرامون اتفاقات آن دیدار صحبت کرد. او بازهم از ردپای دلالان در خرید و فروش نتایج بازی های لیگ صحبت کرد.

محمد رویانیان مدیر عامل باشگاه پرسپولیس که حاشیه های فراوانی پیرامون تیمش مطرح شده است دیگر مهمان این برنامه بود. او که روز دوشنبه در مصاحبه ای اعلام کرده بود عامل ناکامی پرسپولیس را شناسایی کرده است، حاضر نشد نام علی کریمی به عنوان بازیکن مورد نظرش را تایید و یا تکذیب کند. او تاکید کرد که پس از بررسی های لازم به این نتیجه رسیده است که برخی ها علیه تیم حاشیه سازی می کنند و از دست آنها به شدت ناراحت است.

در پایان برنامه بیش از یک میلیون و هفتصد هزار نفر در سوال نظرسنجی 90 شرکت کردند که در این بین بیش از 71 درصد تزریق بی رویه پول و بی انگیزگی بازیکنان را به عنوان عامل اصلی ناکامی فوتبال معرفی کردند. 25 درصد به ناکارآمدی مدیران فدراسیون و باشگاه ها رای دادند و 4 درصد نیز ضعف مربیان را به عنوان دلیل اصلی ناکامی فوتبال ایران انتخاب کردند.

[Doctor DOOM]

if there is (and there IS) lack of drive and ambition among the more famous players at TM (for various reasons, financial matters being one of them), and since we all agree that this is a reality, then what to do in terms of problem solving?
sit back and spread our legs thinking this is our fate and ghaza o ghadar and not do anything?
or remove those who arent hungry and driven enough and replace them with those who are? shdnt there be a solution to such problems?
by just sitting and "taking it" we wont solve anything.
we either transform a well fed, saturated and complacent nekounam/karimi/X/Y into a hungry, driven and ambitious nekounam/karimi/X/Y ... which is not possible.
Or we replace them with a bunch of others who CAN deliver that energy and drive that we need at national teams

will CQ do that? all indications point to a big fat 'NO'.
dust is slowly settling and pressure is relieved from him. he's already shot down adding another Iranian coach to the staff - which I think shd be done. instead of the present fellow, omid namazi, who is more a translator than a qualified coach who KNOWS Iran and Iranian football.
even if he has a coaching cert from US, that doesnt mean he knows our football. I'd trust this with someone who's actually played/coached in Iran for a few years than someone who came in a couple of seasons ago.

[Ali Chicago]

Thanks Payman, Agha Majid, and Bahram Jaan. Sorry for the sloppy post (spelling mistakes and not stipulating the second point astronomical pay for IPL players). But gist of the argument still holds. Many of you keep saying our football doesn't produce top talents? Question is why? Why we don't see likes of Karimi and Kia, Pashazadeh, Minavand, Mansoorian, Bagherie, Daie, Nekonaam or even Shojaie? It seems what we have in most of the youth programs are mostly kids that their family has to be able to pay the fees. There are exceptions to the rules of course, it seems Foolad Khuzestan program is run differently.
But even the few in the youth program that come through ranks, like Mosalman, Amraiyee, Sadeghian, Afshin etc. they don't seem to be making the TM (at least get invited, not play). We saw Afshin was invited to Asian cup but nothing after that. Maybe it is in part, the same reaosn (impact of Money) and how this has become such a high stake game that no one is willing to risk anything.

I am not a fan of Haji Mayeli, but in restrospect, that man had balls to invite many young players, like Mahdavi Kia, Azizi, etc. to the TM in 1996 and WC qualification for WC 98. He even benched Daie. Not saying we need him, but we need an attitude like that at the National team.

P.S. Coming to think of it, the TM after WC 2006 really need a major overhual but no one had the guts to take that risk. GN biggest mistake at TM (when he was at the helm), was he didn't break with the past.

[maij]

I don't think he will drop any of his current key players. I think he is stubborn and will stick to his plan.

I think so , too.

My guess is that Queiroz is highly sensitive about his self-image and fear of humiliation. I have watched him closely recently and specially that last TV interview, and he is feeling the heat.

My personal belief is that , the media should lay of his back until after the Korea game so that he can focus more on his job without being worried about external pressure. Just allow him some breathing space.

Saying that , I really doubt that he has anything significant to offer Team Melli or football in Iran. Going through the records , he seems to be one of the weakest (results wise) foreign coaches of recent decades that has coached TM. I honestly don't think he is as good for Team Melli as people think , but hey, I will change my mind swiftly when he takes Team Melli to Brazil

[maij]

Thanks Payman, Agha Majid, and Bahram Jaan. Sorry for the sloppy post (spelling mistakes and not stipulating the second point astronomical pay for IPL players). But gist of the argument still holds. Many of you keep saying our football doesn't produce top talents? Question is why? Why we don't see likes of Karimi and Kia, Pashazadeh, Minavand, Mansoorian, Bagherie, Daie, Nekonaam or even Shojaie? It seems what we have in most of the youth programs are mostly kids that their family has to be able to pay the fees. There are exceptions to the rules of course, it seems Foolad Khuzestan program is run differently.
But even the few in the youth program that come through ranks, like Mosalman, Amraiyee, Sadeghian, Afshin etc. they don't seem to be making the TM (at least get invited, not play). We saw Afshin was invited to Asian cup but nothing after that. Maybe it is in part, the same reaosn (impact of Money) and how this has become such a high stake game that no one is willing to risk anything.

I am not a fan of Haji Mayeli, but in restrospect, that man had balls to invite many young players, like Mahdavi Kia, Azizi, etc. to the TM in 1996 and WC qualification for WC 98. He even benched Daie. Not saying we need him, but we need an attitude like that at the National team.

P.S. Coming to think of it, the TM after WC 2006 really need a major overhual but no one had the guts to take that risk. GN biggest mistake at TM (when he was at the helm), was he didn't break with the past.

Ali Agha , Personally , I don't agree with those who claim that Iran does NOT produce good players , because it does.

Whether they are in the class of Daei , Kia and Karimi is another matter , but enough good players are produced at a regular rate as well. In every Age group we have good teams competing at Asian level , U16, U19 and U22/23. If they don't win titles they are right there near the top teams of the competitions. This is the biggest proof that Iran produces good players.

Where does the problem lies ?

It is in the poor career management, lack of professional guidance , and lack of proper program to develop these players.

Due to corruption , the prevailing nepotism and the short-sightedness of managers and coaches, the natural progress of these players are hindered or cripples. The abilities of these players are stagnated and sometimes weakens because of this negligence and lack of promotion of young talents. Only two managers in TM , since Shadravan Dehdari , had the guts to introduce young players and promote them , the rest have not been so accommodating.

Of course , the problem starts with clubs and then it is badly reflected at Team Melli level.

[zzgloo]

Not only the league has failed to consistantly produce top quality talenst...,even more important, and this is the key point, the league, ( because of the propaganda/wrongfuly spending,and unqualified managements ),has waisted and continue to waist the little talents that are acctualy produced.....there is not even a need to bring examples as there are so many,even our top currant players such as Karimi,and others, have been waisted and did not grow to thier full potentials.
Players up to age 19 with talenets come and hope for lots of money, but the system, abandans them, and there is no more growth !!..the players stagnate with thier 19 year old talents,,and never blossom!!!.... !!...no growth,no quality coaches for the youth....as the even low class domestic coaches, would rather stay in line for the next openning in the top league , than coaching for the youth !...

No player, in the last 20 years, has added to his talents and his skills, after entering the league !......( unless in forign leagues ).
This is the result of the Lack of professionalism,the result of propaganda system,and the result of desperate player's life style ,low class management,,etc,etc...)
Bottom line...the system is sick....all are hurting in IRAN, in a same manner,.and our football is no exception.

[Doctor DOOM]

hope everyone watched the U16 vs australia.
after the game what struck me was the contrast in the zeal and hunger of the lads ... compared to the ponderous, easily satisfied attitude of senior TM players!

youth = energy, hunger, drive, ambition to impress, insatiable appetite, ...

had it been the seniors team against aussies, they'd score a goal and sit back and be content to run down the clock by hook or crook. and most probably fail to keep the score at 1-0 due to some inevitable mistake or lackluster marking or poor & slow running and finally concede a goal. sounds familiar? hasnt this happened to most TM games?


no hunger or drive to go further or score more. hell, given the age of our regular fixed players, no energy to go further too

maybe CQ needs some 2-3 younger, more hungry and ambitious faces to make his team more ambitious and energetic

[maij]

I have watched all the U16 matches and frankly , up to today , I wasn't overly impressed by the lads. today , however , these boyz were World Class. Everything you want to see in a team , Iran's U-16 had it against the very powerful Aussies. Skills, determination , stamina , the drive , willingness to fight up to the end , discipline (specially in defense which is something that Iranian football lacks in general

[Doctor DOOM]

^ to continue your last para;
... to at least be there as a source of inspiration and boost in morale & confidence, CQ SHOULD have been there.
which I must commend what the SS club did by sending some of its stars as a show of support for the lads. kudos to them and all the other personalities/coaches/managers... who did arrive.


one thing I forgot to mention is how DOGGED and enthusiastic these lads were. that doggedness is highlighted in the fourth goal (Rigi's) where he persisted and fought and persisted and fought with not one, not two but three defenders to finally put it past the keeper.
absolutely marvelous to watch an Iranian show this much drive. such a pleasant change from the lackluster, ... almost bored and indifferent attitude seen among the hyped-up, over-fed egotistical seniors.

apart from only a handful of players in the seniors squad, I seriously doubt had they been in Rigi's position, they'd have persisted and fought as hard or as doggedly as he did. most probably theyd have merely given up and/or shied away from any contact ... lest it might ruffle their well-gelled and styled hair-do



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referrence to posts # 58 and 60:
by the way, bahram jan, I hope you did watch this game to see we DO have the talent and we DO produce them by the dozens.
the problem is our club and int'l coaches dont DARE trust the younger generations or give them their chance.
that's why even after they show their talent in such tournaments, they fade away slowly and by general and very few of them actually get nurtured to the senior team.

[Keano]

I didn't get to watch the entire match against Australia, however going by the highlights of the match I shall confess that I have almost never been impressed by any of our football teams against such Asian football powerhouse opponent, not even our senior team's 6-2 victory against S. Korea.

This team displayed pretty much all elements of a champions' characteristics, I couldn't believe my own eyes that I was watching an Iranian team so relentlessly and viciously attacking a great Asian team as if they were playing Cambodia or Pakistan etc. This today's team possessed every single item that most (If not all) of our seniors teams and overall our football lacks in all areas.

By far the most startling attribution of this team was their unbelievably high speed in all lines, particularly midfielders and strikers, not only were they technically head and shoulder above the Australian counterpart, but also they just outperformed them in almost all speed counters, I was just amazed. This by itself is the most conspicuous shortcoming of our football, our clumsy and lousy TM players often are outrun by most Asian powerhouses, especially by the East Asian teams, that is one area that needs to be worked on hard by Mr Queiroz.
Interestingly usually they say the youth need to use the seniors as their role models, however in this particualy case, I say our senior teams shall look up to these youngsters and use them as their role model, TM lacks, energy, high spirits, composure, speed, motivation, unity, teamwork, all of which this U-16 team strongly possesses.

Mr. Queiroz's duty is not to train or develop these young kids into full football players, that's not why he is here, his sole duty is to take us to WC2014, and we all know none of these kids can help him achieve that goal just yet! Please let's not start the blame game on him for overlooking these young talents, let's resent our IPL clubs for not utilizing these youngsters and trust them enough to play them in their A teams from time to time and eventually later on and upon their merits start them in their games.

Lastly but not the least, I still believe hiring my GF Mila joon as the team's masseuse will definitely be a great move and motivational incentive to these players, hell I don't even ask for money for providing them with such great service!

[Doctor DOOM]

and someone said while we outshined the same aussie lads and many others, in 4-5 years' time, the very same aussies (and japanese, koreans, ...) will most probably beat our team.
why?
because many of the same aussie, japanese, korean, ... youngsters either get trusted and become stars at their clubs or some even get picked up by european clubs 9after their domestic clubs trust them and showcase them), while our poor lads get ignored and neglected and the very few that do get lucky and get picked up by our clubs, sit on the bench for years and years, till they are 24 or 25 (that is if they are of nerves of steel and great psyche to maintain a modicum of drive or confidence ... after being neglected).

and then we have a bunch of immature fans in general football forum who say "we cant suddenly bring in inexperienced 'youngsters' (aged 24 and 25??????)" for a few over-aged 'stars' who have been past their peak and either walk on the pitch or at best, turn out very ordinary, average performances (that can be equaled by at least 40 other players in IPL)!!!!!


this is why come 2016 0r 2017, we may not even remember rigi, mazloom, chaab, .... let alone see them as a part of TM!

[maij]

I didn't get to watch the entire match against Australia, however going by the highlights of the match I shall confess that I have almost never been impressed by any of our football teams against such Asian football powerhouse opponent, not even our senior team's 6-2 victory against S. Korea.

This team displayed pretty much all elements of a champions' characteristics, I couldn't believe my own eyes that I was watching an Iranian team so relentlessly and viciously attacking a great Asian team as if they were playing Cambodia or Pakistan etc. This today's team possessed every single item that most (If not all) of our seniors teams and overall our football lacks in all areas.

By far the most startling attribution of this team was their unbelievably high speed in all lines, particularly midfielders and strikers, not only were they technically head and shoulder above the Australian counterpart, but also they just outperformed them in almost all speed counters, I was just amazed. This by itself is the most conspicuous shortcoming of our football, our clumsy and lousy TM players often are outrun by most Asian powerhouses, especially by the East Asian teams, that is one area that needs to be worked on hard by Mr Queiroz.
Interestingly usually they say the youth need to use the seniors as their role models, however in this particualy case, I say our senior teams shall look up to these youngsters and use them as their role model, TM lacks, energy, high spirits, composure, speed, motivation, unity, teamwork, all of which this U-16 team strongly possesses.

Mr. Queiroz's duty is not to train or develop these young kids into full football players, that's not why he is here, his sole duty is to take us to WC2014, and we all know none of these kids can help him achieve that goal just yet! Please let's not start the blame game on him for overlooking these young talents, let's resent our IPL clubs for not utilizing these youngsters and trust them enough to play them in their A teams from time to time and eventually later on and upon their merits start them in their games.

Lastly but not the least, I still believe hiring my GF Mila joon as the team's masseuse will definitely be a great move and motivational incentive to these players, hell I don't even ask for money for providing them with such great service!

Well said , Keano jan.

I particularly liked what you said about the role models and how , in this case , the roles are reversed. Like you , I believe that the seniors might have learned a lesson or two from the juniors.
What I particularly did not like ( sorry..) is your statement regarding Queiroz responsibilities towards the National teams. First of all , Carlos Queiroz is responsible for all the Iranian National Teams. He is not the coach of TEam Melli senior players that has the names of Nekounam and Rahmati in it , but all. Functionally , he or someone on his behalf , can appoint , manage or coach these teams. This has always been the arrangements with Team Melli coaches for years. Unless Queiroz contract is different , which I highly doubt , then Senor Carlos is evidently responsible for the U-16 in his capacity as the National Teams Manager.

Anyway , no one in his right mind would expect him to pick one of these players and we have beaten this subject to death , but like I said and the Doc thankfully added. it is the morale boosting and other elements that his presence would have provided to the lads. Despite that, his absence , thanks God , did not dent the resolve of the boyz one bit....dameshoon garm.

Final note: I was watching the Match on Abu Dhabi TV , because those crappy IRIB dogmatically refuse to brodcast this competetion!. The Arabic commentator , was raving so much about Iran's team , I could have swore that he is a member of PFDC disguised in an Arabic Thobe (Robe)...his shouts of goooooooaaaaallll, every time Iran scored , specially in the 2nd half , puts some of the sleepy Iranian TV commentators to shame.