Is Queiroz failing?

[zereshk-ali]

On the topic of Gh Rezaei I'm surprised he's not getting any call ups - I haven't even seen him getting invited to the wider squads. Has his form for Persepolis been that bad? His strength, pace and direct and hard running style gives us a different option in attack and always felt that he's exactly the type of player that causes problems for opposition teams.

For me Queiroz is still failing in his task as I don't think this project should purely about qualifying for this World Cup. He hasn't implemented a style of football, a Persian footballing identity, that will maximise the talent that we have for years to come. Long throws and negative football are not progressive in the modern game and nor is utilising a very limited player like Ghazi for that matter.

[zzgloo]

1- very true. we disagree on that point. I can name at least 10-15 players who would have done far better than what pissy little shojaei did and has done ever since he came back.

2- "faster", "harder", "more physical".
these are the EXACT weaknesses of shoajei.
he isnt a fast player.
he doesnt run hard either.
nor is he physically strong.

Dobaareh salam payman Jaan,
The way,CQ thinks of Shjaee,that may not be correct,is he has seen things other Iranian local forwards have not seen and he understands Spanish,and more coachable...in fact Shojaee appeared to be running around alot,and be more aggressive..( although not too effective )....
other than that.I do not see any major disagreement between us on this issue....I also agree,CQ may be too dependent on legioners,and lacks enough respect for local talents.......No other previouse TM coaches have gone after the European legioners as CQ has....and he is not finished yet either...
The little difference between us,is that I agree with CQ in his above assesments ,and you do not.
Iranian football needs a little shot in the arm,as by itself is too boring,slow and predictable.
Regards,

[maij]

The dust has settled down by now , but we still have another nervous 3 weeks to the Uzbek game.

The win against Korea was really sweet but even more important , it was a vital 3 points that really boosts Team melli chances.

The match itself was nothing to rave about. Since this post is about the failure of Queiroz , rather than the match, I think a few points about him is appropriate.

Apart for his selection of Ghoochanejad , there was nothing major in Quieroz overall performance that has changed my opinion of him. The two most obvious sins that he committed was , One) selection of Shojaei and two) even worst, keeping him while he was OBVIOUSLY nervous , tense and losing his composure. We are talking about a guy who has worked under the master Sir Alex Ferguson who reads situation like no other. How on earth did he allow Shojaei to do what he did ? Even worst still , was his own inappropriate and continuous protests against the referee which led to his dismissal. Of course , I sympathize with him to certain extent, but in all honesty , he left the referee no other choice but to send him off. That is really very unprofessional from Carlos Queiroz. He is another Ali Daei in the making

The style of play by Team Melli is really nothing to brag about and like one of the TV pundits said , it is archaic and old style of football. It is bordering Ali Asghari , bezan bezirish type of football. Queiroz is obviously no fan of Barcelona or Arsenal style and that is so apparent in the type of game plan that the team plays. Kudos to Dejagah who gives some respectability to the team.

This boy Reza Ghoochanejad is something. I don't remember getting so excited about a player in his first match for Team Melli like I have when I watched Gucci against Korea. Actually , after a bit more thought , I remembered the same feeling in a similar situation when a player made his debut in a friendly match for Team Melli against Kuwait back in October 1998. His name was Ali Karimi.

Ghoochanejad is a tenacious player who showed some good qualities to convince me that we have a promising player at hand.


Thanks God for Javad Nekounam's goal. He restored some of his lost reputation.

[maij]

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[Doctor DOOM]

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do you guys believe in the saying "leave no stone unturned" when one takes on a task? I truly believe in this saying.


seeing the above table, CQ apologists will say "IRAN is not capable of winning these teams, not CQ"

while facts show CQ has NOT done EVERYTHING to ensure these wins even when Iran's potential is MUCH HIGHER than these teams. which brings me to the saying "leave no stone unturned". it is now clear CQ didnt follow this.
one such example is how he approached the latest kuwait game where he totally ignored the horrible pitch and didnt even bother to have a tall striker. that means he deliberately took out one major option of goal scoring from TM's hands.
he has done this in most other games too. basically his coaching has not been capable to get the maximum potential out of what Iran has on offer, and usually leaves some things undone or left out!

and I truly believe if we use TM's maximum potential, we shd brush aside almost ALL these teams in that table with comparative ease.

maybe he would be fantastic in another country and in another football. but he has been very average and ordinary in Iran. and if it was "average or ordinary" we were looking for, why did we hire this big name? we could have stuck with ghazanfar nejad from araak FC

[Doctor DOOM]

and to continue the above, here's how CQ got the entire WCQ campaign wrong too.




you see, each campaign (like WCQ's or ACQ's or .. ) really needs a STRATEGY. aside from each individual game's strategy and tactics, the coach MUST have an overall strategy for the entire length of the campaign. This is where CQ has failed imo.

for example, from the first game where we knew uzbeks are missing 5-6 of their MAIN players, we shd have opted for a more attacking strategy and line up. because once those players come back, they only make uzbeks more difficult to handle. but he started with a defensive one and allowed the uzbeks to attack and come forward and put pressure on our back line and goal.
it is ONLY due to luck and fluke that we got the win that we didnt deserve. But as a strategy for the individual game, CQ was wrong and almost missed the chance to capitalize on a weaker uzbek team.

then, he did the same IN AZADI, in front of a packed home crowd, against a team that we shd have slaughtered. too much caution and some very poor player selection and poor subbing (ansarifard wasted an entire 45 minutes from our team!), we drew a game that by all rights we SHOULD have made sure we'd win. this was a HOME game.

next is the lebanon game with 2 DM's and ... . although luck had a say in that game too. but as they say, it is UPON YOU to increase chances of lady luck favoring you. you cant sit on your fat arse and expect to get lucky all the time (as we did in our first game). You have to facilitate bringing more luck by covering all issues well.


and so on and so forth. basically CQ was too cautious in the beginning of the campaign that cost us great chances to gather enough points, SO WE WOULDNT BE IN A SITUATION THAT WE'D NEED THIS MANY POINTS AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE END. the end run where he, like any of us knew we'd have a torrid 11 days - 3 match run which will definitely have factors such as stress, physical strain , journey and travel strains, final away game to one of asia's best, ... etc. .
a schedule that can affect even the best teams in the world, let alone our amateurish football.

anyone who knows the nature of this end run, would have made sure to gather as many points as possible EARLY on in the campaign, so his team wouldnt be desperate for the final 9 points. In such cases, you are allowed to risk a bit more early into a campaign and you still have time to reocver (as uzbeks seems to have done). the deeper you go into a campaign, the less you shd risk as you have less chances to recover shd any risk fail.
a prime example is how Japan approached their campaign. they aimed to gather as many points as early as possible. so today, even if they lose to shitty jordan, they are still sitting comfortable and safe and ensured of qualifying (1st or 2nd doesnt matter)

[Martin-Reza]

Since our fate is dependent of the result against two Arab countries as opponents in the FIFA World Cup 2014 qualifiers, it is not a bad idea to look at Iran’s records against Arab teams under Carlos Queiroz.

You could as well look at the record in away matches or against teams wearing red shirts.

In the end the best hint is looking at the matches we played against all of the three teams we will play in June just recently. The results are not really that encouraging as we have 2 wins (South Korea, Lebanon), 3 draws (all Qatar) and 1 loss (Lebanon). The positive note is in my opinion we've not been the weaker side in any of those matches, regardless of the results.

Now there is all open for everyone to twist and turn results and assessment of performances so that it fits to his view on the current situation, so maybe we can simply accept the results of those games will be determined in June rather than in the past.

If I had to bet, I'd say 4-5 points are the most likely scenario which most likely would mean playoffs. But I also would have guessed all five matches of this campaign incorrectly so far, so I don't know what to expect anymore.

[zzgloo]

Our assesment of TM chances for WCQ reminds me of a " Bazari " proverb in tehran's Bazar..... ( with a little censorship )..." Inha Hesabhayee ast ke, kooreh baraye "Felanesh "! mikard "
... might as well ,start looking at The third team of the other group ( Either Australia ,or Jordan )..and later Venezoela !

[Ghormeh Sabzi]

I wonder what branko's record was his first 15 games against arabs... just to compare, even though during branko time we had much stronger players in my opinion

[K. Nader]

I wonder what branko's record was his first 15 games against arabs... just to compare, even though during branko time we had much stronger players in my opinion

Looking up the stats in TeamMelli.com (albeit very quickly), it seems Branko's record was something around 5 - 5 - 5. If this record is accurate, this means that Branko only had one more win than CQ but four more losses.

[Doctor DOOM]

what was GN's?

[zzgloo]

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زندگی فوتبال

زندگی فوتبال - ۱ ساعت قبل




امیر حاج*رضایی درباره* دیدار تیم ملی فوتبال ایران و کویت گفت: مطمئناً تیم ما به جام*ملت*های استرالیا خواهد رفت ولی آن*چه اهمیت دارد، حذف تیم ما از جام جهانی است. مدتهاست از تیم ملی بازی خوبی ندیده*ایم و به شخصه بعد از اطلاع از نتایج کره و ازبکستان، جذابیت دیدار برابر کویت برایم از بین رفت و مدام به این فکر می*کردم که آیا راهی پلی*آف می*شویم؟

او در ادامه افزود: بعد از جام جهانی ۲۰۰۶ سه مربی داخلی سکان هدایت تیم ملی را برعهده گرفتند که توفیقی نداشتند و به همین دلیل متولیان فوتبال به سراغ مربیان نامدار رفتند تا افکار عمومی را آرام کنند. ما در ایران مبنای علمی نداریم و چشم*اندازی هم برای فوتبال*مان ترسیم نکرده*ایم. وقتی ۵۰ درصد بازیکنان اصلی تیم ملی ما از لژیونر*های ما هستند و بازهم توفیقی نداریم، باید مسئله را جایی دیگر جست*و*جو کرد.

کارشناس فوتبال در توضیح این مسئله اظهار داشت: من به شخصه مشکلی با دورگه*ها ندارم ولی حضور آنها در تیم ملی کدهایی می*دهد. یکی از آن کدها اینست که کارلوس کی*روش اعتقادی به لیگ ایران ندارد.

"امیر حاج*رضایی درباره* دیدار تیم ملی فوتبال ایران و کویت گفت: مطمئناً تیم ما به جام*ملت*های استرالیا خواهد رفت ولی آن*چه اهمیت دارد، حذف تیم ما از جام جهانی است"من هم تا حدی با او موافق هستم و اعتقاد دارم که لیگ ما به هیچ وجه مولد نیست و این*گونه نتایج نشان*دهنده* مشکلات عمیق فوتبال است. ما در یک دور تسلسل افتاده*ایم و راه خلاصی* از این وضعیت نمی*بینم. با تصمیمات عجیب و غریب مانع از رشد فوتبالمان می*شویم. بگذارید با دو مثال این مسئله را شرح دهم. اولین مثال مربوط به یحیی گل*محمدی است.

داور مسابقه درست یا غلط تصمیم گرفته که گل*محمدی را اخراج کند. فدراسیون فوتبال این حکم را می*شکند. این کار فدراسیون چه معنایی دارد؟ این شکستن استقلال کمیته داوران است و توهین به این قشر، از سویی دیگر نشان دهنده* وسعت روابط است. نشان می*دهد روابط در ایران تعیین*کننده*تر از ضوابط هستند. مسئله* دوم شانزده یا هجده تیمی شدن لیگ برتر بود.

"من هم تا حدی با او موافق هستم و اعتقاد دارم که لیگ ما به هیچ وجه مولد نیست و این*گونه نتایج نشان*دهنده* مشکلات عمیق فوتبال است"من در مقامی نیستم که بگویم کدامیک بهتر است ولی شما دیدید که لابی*ها و ذی*نفوذان به دنبال برگرداندن حکم بودند. آن*قدر فشار وارد کردند که افراد تصمیم*گیرنده با قرار گرفتن در معذوریت حاضر شدند، بار دیگر در این باره تصمیم*گیری کنند.

او در ادامه افزود: نتیجه* این کارها همین وضعیت موجود می*شود. آن*قدر مشکلات ایجاد می*شود که جایی برای بحث فنی باقی نمی*ماند. تیم فوتبال انگلستان از ۱۹۶۶ تاکنون توفیقی نداشته ولی قانونمندی باعث شده تا فوتبال روندش را طی کند. ما موفقیت پایدار نداشتیم و همواره به موفقیت*های مقطعی دلخوش بوده*ایم.

مانند بازی با کره که با شکست این تیم خوشحال شدیم ولی با شکست از ازبکستان یک سیلی محکم از واقعیت می*خوریم. صدها مثال می*توان در این باره آورد که چرا فوتبال ما دچار این وضعیت است و چرا از توانمندی و پتانسیل*مان نمی*توانیم استفاده کنیم.

حاج رضایی در پایان تساوی برابر کویت را معلول ساختار فوتبالی ایران دانست و گفت: با هر تیمی که بازی داریم، تن*مان می*لرزد. این تساوی محصول ساختار غلط ماست و ربطی به حریف*مان ندارد. ما با نفرت بحرین را می*بریم و لبنان که تیمی درجه سه است را با پنج گل شکست می*دهیم تا بر آتش در مردم آب ریخته باشیم ولی توجه نمی*کنیم که تا این ساختار درست نشود، هیچ موفقیتی به دست نمی*آید و به شخصه با این وضعیت از این نتایج دیگر تعجب نمی*کنم.

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[Martin-Reza]

AW: Is Queiroz failing?

what was GN's?

He only had 2 competitive matches vs. Arabs, drawing the first and winning the second ACQ qualifier against Syria. Friendly matches I don't know.

[Doctor DOOM]

He only had 2 competitive matches vs. Arabs, drawing the first and winning the second ACQ qualifier against Syria. Friendly matches I don't know.

thanks mate.
but since we are looking at all (competitive and non), I hope someone with more complete records (looking at you majid jan ) can provide a stats that can be compared among these 3 coaches

[Martin-Reza]

AW: Is Queiroz failing?

I think you can easily find out by searching for Iran's games from autumn 2006 to autumn 2007 on FIFA.com.