Is Queiroz failing?

[Doctor DOOM]

another part of CQ's half-assed campaign strategy is his interaction with media and pre-game prep, with emphasis on refs and calls.


the coach shd put pressure (indirectly) on the referees before our games. the same way many successful coaches in top level football do and have done for years. starting from his own boss, fergie.
before the game he shd say things like "we hope the avoidable or unintentional mistakes and calls dont work against us or dont cancel our legitimate goals or moves, as we've been hurt by these before, on many occasions". something to this effect, which doesnt directly accuse any refs (use of terms like unintentional or unlucky), but it still drives the point that on many occasions (against uzbeks, in kuwait, .... etc) many vital calls have gone against us and we will not let it slide by without calling them out. or his 2 game suspension for something totally small and negligible.
even in passing he MUST mention these two legitimate goals in his pre-game speeches. he MUST, but without directly ponting at the refs.

I really wonder why he hasnt done this before our games, especially against arabs.

another issue is play-acting and time wasting that he shd mention this BEFORE every game (post game is almost useless) against arabs. he SHOULD make an issue of this and bring light to this to put the onus on the refs to not be so lax about it.

he has worked with fergie and shd be exposed to what tactics coaches use even before the opening whistle. why doesnt he do this?
hell, his own compatriot is a master of making a bloody mountain out of a non-existent mole-hill (moan-rinho) even when he has no case. CQ, by jove, HAS plenty of cases and cause to say all this! and yet .... !




we paid the price for a complete professional and european experience. but in return we've got only slightly more than half of the deal from CQ!!!
come on man.

[Martin-Reza]

Now it's getting a bit comical .

[Doctor DOOM]

^ lol. you seem to be a bit alien with all the peripheral issues of coaching and football. ironic that most famous coaches like fergie, wenger, that moaning idiot moan-rinho, ... do this quite often (the last idiot has made it into a whole routine when his teams meet strong teams). afterall, arent you the one who puts them on a pedestal?

really, you shd be aware of these things even more than me.

[St_Mark]

FIFA.COM

From 01.07.2006 To 31.12.2007

08/08/2006	Tehran	Iran	1:0 (1:0)	UAE
16/08/2006	Tehran	Iran	1:1 (0:0)	Syria
02/09/2006	Seoul	Korea Rep	1:1 (1:0)	Iran
06/09/2006	Damascus	Syria	0:2 (0:1)	Iran
04/10/2006	Amman	Iran	2:0 (1:0)	Iraq
06/10/2006	Amman	Jordan	0:0	Iran
11/10/2006	Taipei City	Chinese T	0:2 (0:1)	Iran
15/11/2006	Tehran	Iran	2:0 (0:0)	Korea Rep
12/01/2007	Abu Dhabi	UAE	0:2 (0:1)	Iran
07/02/2007	Tehran	Iran	2:2 (1:0)	Belarus
24/03/2007	Doha	Qatar	0:1 (0:1)	Iran
02/06/2007	San Luis Potosi	Mexico	4:0 (2:0)	Iran
16/06/2007	Amman	Iran	0:0	Iraq
20/06/2007	Amman	Iran	2:0 (0:0)	Palestine
22/06/2007	Amman	Jordan	0:2 (0:1)	Iran
24/06/2007	Amman	Iran	2:1 (2:0)	Iraq
02/07/2007	Tehran	Iran	8:1 (4:0)	Jamaica
11/07/2007	Shah Alam	Iran	2:1 (0:1)	Uzbekistan
15/07/2007	Shah Alam	China PR	2:2 (2:1)	Iran
18/07/2007	Shah Alam	Malaysia	0:2 (0:1)	Iran
22/07/2007	Shah Alam	Iran	0:0 a.e.t. 2:4 PSO	Korea Rep

[Doctor DOOM]

^ many thanks.

well, what do you know .... GN's stats are even better than the other two coaches against arab teams:
wins - 8
draws - 3
losses - 0

besides he seems to be the last coach who won against qatar too. in fact the other two coaches werent half as successful as our own vatani chap. huh .... go figure.



so much for the supposed "inferiority of vatani coaches" compared to the "untouchables" from across the borders. This must be in bizzarro world. coz no vatani chap can equal, let alone better, the records of great masters and giants from the land of the blue-eyed, right?

[zzgloo]

@ Doc ,which of the bellow do you believe in :

1- Good Iranian coaches are better than Good Forign coaches .
2-For Iran,Good Iranian coaches are better than good forign coaches .
3-GN is better than CQ.
4-GN is better than CQ for IRAN.
5-CQ is a wrong forign coach, but a right forign coach is best choice for IRAN.

[Martin-Reza]

AW: Is Queiroz failing?

Yeah, great, GN won a bunch of friendly matches. Unfortunately we won't have friendlies in June.

[Mansoor]

Let me first start with my quote in first post:

Queiroz was hired to qualify Iran to world cup and beyond. That was his job definition.

But he has two tasks embedded in his job definition as well:

a) He has to get the players reach the ceiling of their potential, and perhaps a bit above. That is what a “great coach” should do regardless, or else he would remain among “other available options”.

b) Facing the transition state in our national team and with aging star players, he has to bring in youth into the team to compensate or else he would face slow but experienced team that would only go so far in a competition.

Now, the question remains: Is Queiroz failing to achieve the two critical factors above to reach his goal?

To me, the main reason Queiroz is facing "possible" failure (or perhaps I should say "most likely", according to Agha Majid's listed stats and "so far performances") is the point b in above quote. I know Martin disagreed about that to be the part of his "job", but here is the reason:

Why is it that we have trouble with most arab teams while they get humbled when facing East Asian giants or European teams? SPEED.

When Carlos decides to select and insist Iran's midfield that played in 2006 World Cup (!!!), we basically kill the speed, energy, and creativity in the whole team.

How many times we have to see a ball reaching ALONE Gucci, with "good luck note" included in the ball? How many times we saw an army of Iranian players counter attacking with our U22 team, and how many teams we have seen that with our TM?

Is our midfield capable of producing "fast" game to counter Arab's style of play? No! Why? to me it is point b.

Perhaps time is already lost and too late (not to me), but had Carlos paid more attention to this point and injected more youth next to couple of our Euro based players, I had more hopes comes June even if still had the same track record.

I can't help but day dream what if Carlos and Mansourian had worked "together" and produce the same U22 style for our TM e.g. Putting Haghighi, Rahmani, Mosalman, and Sadeghian next to Dejagah, and have plenty of options for last remaining offensive spot along with golden subs among Gucci, Jahanbakhsh, Alishah, Gharibi, or even Shojaei and Khalatbari.

If Queiroz fails at the end, he should look back and see why he missed to reach his goal and here it is; ESPECIALLY against slow and dirty football style of arab teams.

We saw how U22 team with fast and great passing style of play did not even give a chance to Qatar and even dirty style of Turkish team to make any difference in the game. We DICTATED our style into the matches, and that is what Carlos should have done.

Having said that, I believe we still have a chance. Carlos still has one more chance to avoid failure; The preparation stage before June games.

He will have plenty of time this time around to "dictate" his game and coaching skill to full extend. If he succeeds to get our boys prepared and prevail, great. Else, I believe we should immediately transit to Mansourian and " most of his team" for future.

[Kaiser Amir]

Having said that, Carlos still has one more chance to avoid failure. The preparation stage before June games. He will have plenty of time this time around to "dictate" his game to full extend.

Mansoor Khan,

What preparation stage?
Quieroz has AGAIN left Iran on vacation!

This man comes back to Iran when a game is approaching and immediatly leaves when the final whistle is sounded.
This man has wasted two years, has "managed" first ever defeats to Lebanon and Uzbekistan, and screwed our chances of direct qualification through the EASIEST group possible.

Had ANY IRANIAN coach done all this, not in two years, but after 6 months, he would have been BEHEADED in a public place.

And, yes, I've been saying for two years that, under Queiroz, we play WALKING PACE FOOTBALL.
Unfortunately, I don't see that changing come June, in the HEAT and HUMIDITY of Doha which will slow down even Real Madrid...

If Queiroz wanted to implement one-touch, modern football with young players, he should have done it in the past two years.

[Mansoor]

^ Mokhlesim Agha Amir. I know it is very frustrating and I share the same thoughts. But at the same time, I am trying to stay positive to the end, and give him vs my thoughts the benefit of a doubt.

One thing for sure, he has never had the full team this long, comes the June preparation stage as the league will be done and gone. Let's wait and see. Maybe we'll learn something we don't know ...

[Kaiser Amir]

Let's wait and see. Maybe we'll learn something we don't know ...

Inshallah.
To me, it more seems like we're all waiting so taghi be tughi bokhore va berim Jam-e-Jahani.
But, indeed, let's hope Queiroz will pull something out of his hat and make his critics look like idiots...

[zzgloo]

I do not think CQ cares much or gives a lot of thought to brining youth,or helping the league or the youth and all that....
..
His Plan of action is : " Get to the world cup by any means neccessary " !!

[Mansoor]

I do not think CQ cares much or gives a lot of thought to brining youth,or helping the league or the youth and all that....
..
His Plan of action is : " Get to the world cup by any means neccessary " !!

Mokhlesim. Again, just like what I mentioned about Martin earlier, you are looking at this backward. Of course, it is all about qualification, even for you and me.

My point is in order to get there, he should have achieved point a and b in my first post in this thread, and then I discussed how point b is particularly important against slow and dirty style of arab football teams:

To me, the main reason Queiroz is facing "possible" failure (or perhaps I should say "most likely", according to Agha Majid's listed stats and "so far performances") is the point b in above quote. I know Martin disagreed about that to be the part of his "job", but here is the reason:

Why is it that we have trouble with most arab teams while they get humbled when facing East Asian giants or European teams? SPEED.

[Mansoor]

Inshallah.
To me, it more seems like we're all waiting so taghi be tughi bokhore va berim Jam-e-Jahani.
....

We sort of are waiting for that, but it is more like Dejaghah be Gucci bokhore va berim Jamejahani.....

[Doctor DOOM]

@ Doc ,which of the bellow do you believe in :

1- Good Iranian coaches are better than Good Forign coaches .
2-For Iran,Good Iranian coaches are better than good forign coaches .
3-GN is better than CQ.
4-GN is better than CQ for IRAN.
5-CQ is a wrong forign coach, but a right forign coach is best choice for IRAN.

bahram jan,
1 & 2 -
I dont care if the coach is iranian or non-iranian. I, unlike others, have no preference based on the origin of the man as in the end, what matters to me is how they can help TM.
an Iranian can communicate better, may know our culture better and deal with players' psyche better. will know our natural style, but may or may not stick with it.
while a foreigner may or may not bring modernity and a new and hopefully elevated sense of professionalism into the team. may or may not bring new ideas that can improve our quality.
it all depends on who. even then I cant say who unless they actually take the helm and have a decent amount of time and number of games under their belt.

in other words, I dont care if it is a vatani or farangi, cheshm aabi. what matters is if they can improve TM or not.


3 & 4 -
comparing cold, hard facts/numbers, GN did better than what CQ has done so far. that's undeniable.
but it's not all about numbers and scores. I always go beyond these and bring in other factors such as the quality of performances, irrespective of the result of the game. there are games we play very well and show improvement in quality, but lose or draw the result. and vice versa where we play pathetically and yet, through luck we win (like the game in tashkent).
I think TM under CQ in rare patches (too rare imo) shows modernity that wasnt seen in GN's tenure. and that is natural as CQ is far more exposed to modern football than GN.
but at the same time, GN recognized and more or less stayed true (until we met skorea, where he lost his nerves) to the natural style of iranian football which is an attacking one. his team was more comfortable with itself. while CQ's doesnt look as comfortable.

5- I think my answer to #1 and #2 addressed this. it doesnt matter where the coach is from. for me, there are certain criteria that need to be followed, no matter how famous or unknown, how old or young or what color his eyes:

A) stay true to iranians' attacking nature.
we have always looked more comfortable and at ease going forward than defending. always. even when we're not scoring enough goals (which has its reasons in many factors such as formation, lone striker, lack of playmaker, ..)


B) the team must have a balance in age/experience and youth/energy
too much on either side has negative impact on the team.


C) the foremost and vital factor in selections is the FORM and QUALITY of the player.
not his name, or which club he belongs to or what part pf the world he plays or how famous or popular he is.
India's renowned IIM (serious rival to MIT) is one of the few (if not the only) top class institute where who you are, where you come from, how poor or rich you are, what color you are, what sex you are, whose son or nephew you are ... none of that matters as you are only a 7 or 8 digit number. that's it. and the only way you get the seat is if your registered number gets the higher score.
to me, that's the most fair method of meritocracy. you could be the son of a great politician and fail, but a villager from some far off district with torn shirt may get the seat only because he had more correct answers.
I follow the same thing in football. that's why I cant understand it when ppl say "oh but X plays in this club" when Y has shown to be in better form and of higher quality .... but just happens to be playing in a smaller club or in iran.


D) shd be able to get the BEST & MAXIMUM out of our resources
we are lucky to have great potential and all sorts of players available, almost at any time.
that leaves the hands of a coach open to choose whatever and several tactics for games. we have pacy and quick players, highly technical and skillful ones, very physical and aggressive ones, some highly imaginative and creative ones, those who can play in the middle or those who can take care of wings, tall or short, ... etc. you name it, we've got it.
so the coach MUST have a balanced team having all these options available to him.
and if an option is available to him, but he doesnt pick, ... then that team does not represent our true potential or what Iran is capable of.
so the coach shd get the MAXIMUM out of what's available to him. if you cant, then you are not a good coach.
leave no stone un-turned.


E) and last but not least, he should SUIT us and our needs.
he could be the greatest ever coach on earth or milky way galaxy. but when his style, nature and attitude doesnt suit us and our needs of the time, then he is not the right man for the job. simple. he could be the greatest in another team/country/environment, though.

CQ is such a coach. he could be the God of coaching for all I care. but his outlook, tactics and mindset just doesnt suit us and I doubt he could dig us out of the hole he's thrown us in. simply because what is required of us for the remaining 3 games is a direct contrast to what he believes in and is trying to promote.