Is Queiroz failing?

[Doctor DOOM]

Let me first start with my quote in first post:



Perhaps time is already lost and too late (not to me), but had Carlos paid more attention to this point and injected more youth next to couple of our Euro based players, I had more hopes comes June even if still had the same track record.

well good luck with that. for this to happen he, first, shd STAY PUT IN IRAN at least for a period.
the guys behaves as if he's standing on hot-plates and is always on the run (vacation)!!! when he shd be visiting cities and watching at least the top 5-6 IPL teams.
I said good luck, becoz when people bring this up, we have the apologist brigade screaming bloody murder and blasphemy as if it's the end of the bloody world and we're all anti-christ!!!

that's why I believe even after 2+ years at the helm, he still doesnt know iranian football and its potential and resources.

well ...that and the fact that he chose an insignificant nobody as his assistant, who is just as new to iran as CQ himself.

[zzgloo]

Mokhlesim. Again, just like what I mentioned about Martin earlier, you are looking at this backward. Of course, it is all about qualification, even for you and me.

My point is in order to get there, he should have achieved point a and b in my first post in this thread, and then I discussed how point b is particularly important against slow and dirty style of arab football teams:

Mansour e aziz..( Aidet mobarak )..I did look back again and paid attention to your "a" and " b " points....in which you suggested what he should have done is first get the most out of players, and develope new younger generation...etc..
But, the reality at hand..is different....

1- He is a hired Gun.
2- Developing players is not the TM head coach job, it is the job of the League.
3-He is under a massive pressure,both to success and not to get fired.
4- based on his over reliance to legioners, it is safe to assume, he does not believe, our football is good enough to reach the WC without help.
5-It is extremely hard ,close to impossible,to develope anything right in Iran.

and finaly :

6- If, success in Iranian football requires a head coach to know " Jumping jack "," Politics ", " Baby sitting ",," over coming political propaganda ", " remedy lack of talent production by the league "," solving cultural issues ", etc,etc,...
it is not the fault of CQ he is not good at those.......
that is why, he needs to get things done,,without getting fired,by " any means neccessary ", and get the hell out !

[zzgloo]

Payman e aziz..( by the way,aidet mobarak )...
You, essentialy say the same thing as Mansour...to whom I responded with the previouse post...and I explain my point again for you with a different terminology..
The last, point you stated ( The coach must suit us ), is the single most important issue......
We asked and offered the job to CQ....and we can not expect CQ to understand the complexity of IRAN,in the short time....
,may be more relevent topic, is what we have disccussed here often, as " What is it that suits us the best ".......as I remember, most of us here, voted for eastern European coaches...whom are a happy medium between and Iranian coach and The western European coaches.
.......................
My personal opinion,is that CQ has no fault, as he is doing the best he can , and has been the most honest with us....he is just not the right man for the job.....
Iran, is going through a special time in its history...politicaly,culturaly,....in such unusual period of time...A good Iranian coach may be best .

[Doctor DOOM]

Mansour e aziz..( Aidet mobarak )..I did look back again and paid attention to your "a" and " b " points....in which you suggested what he should have done is first get the most out of players, and develope new younger generation...etc..

bahram jan, nowrouz-e shoma va hameye doostan, peeruz.

I think I know what mansour jan meant by "get the best/most out of our players".
this is a skill that only the more successful coaches have and is what draws the line/distinction between them and the regular, riff-raff coaches of the world.

in simple terms it is when a driver can get the most torque and therefore, speed our of a car. what sets great drivers apart from other average ones is they know how to get that extra 10-15 miles per hour out of the very same engine and car that the rest fail to achieve.

for that, the coach needs to be aware of many things, especially the players and the overall potential & the entire capability of our football.
I believe CQ is not able or is not aware of, if we have to give him the benefit of the doubt, to do this. partly because I think he still doesnt know our football fully. perhaps due to a bunch of fools hanging on around him doing "bah bah, chah chah", which lulls him into thinking he's doing the right thing! we have some of those here too. so chances are there are some there too!!

I mean the chap hardly stays in Iran or very rarely bothers to go to different cities to watch, at least, the top 5-6 clubs in the league. so how will he know if player X or Y in one of these clubs can give him that extra 5% boost to his team?

and if we stay honest with ourselves (unlike others who close their eyes and stay obedient till the eventual failure) we ought to recognize our team doesnt function on all cylinders. there are a few areas where we CAN do better.
THIS is what mansour and me and some others talk about when we say he needs to get the BEST and MAXIMUM out of our football.


if you're squeezing your orange, squeeze it fully until the LAST drop. CQ is throwing the orange away with a little bit of juice still left in it. and who knows... maybe with that little bit we can win those games we draw or draw those games we lose.
sort of like the proverb "the last straw on camel's back".I think it is these last straws that are missing from his otherwise decent decisions in most (not all) occasions



as an example, I'd say his latest squad selection (for kuwait game) was decent enough. except I'd give it at 90%. the last 10% shd have been factors like:
1- include a tall player who can give you the aerial option. especially when you have good crossers from both flanks
2- and you know you CANT perform well on that horrible ground. meaning, you shd have had different tactics going into the game.
and for those tactics, their specific player selection.

so, for our younger members in general forum reading this: he didnt squeeze our football fully , till the last drop. he did an average squeeze and left some drops back (like seyed salehi or ghazi or hatami)
in other words, he left some stones unturned, whereas his duty is to leave none unturned.
(ok, I'm all out of proverbs & analogies here )

[zzgloo]

Payman va Mansour e aziz...
..
if we accept the requirements you both need from a coach....we might as well never ( not till 50 years from now ) hire a western European football coach....
A so called ,Good western European coach, has never been " Good ", in what you both think he should know to do well in IRAN.....as western Europeans are used to work with " High work ethics ", self " Motivated ", " proffesional ", with highly organized managements.....
.....They are not made for tasks you expect them for !
..........do we ,in our football, admit, regulating " side isssues " ,in Iranian system..is more important than football knowledge for a coach ??

[Mansoor]

Bahram jaan, I am not sure what part you are making such an impossible task; including youth and energy, or coaching players to reach their ceiling and beyond?

First, I must say I never said Carlos is in charge of "youth" development. No, he is not. But he should bring in youth into the team "gradually" that are "developed". That is different than developing, that is transiting.

Players like Rahmani, Mosalman, or Sadeghian, who are not at the peak of their career but have the potential to play for TM. Just like when Kia joined TM before going to Europe or Karimi did or others did. TM transited under Mayeli and we saw how the youth and energy brought the team up.

When those players joined TM, they were not fully developed but yet ready to bring in youth and energy into the team. The very thing that is missing from TM at the moment with slow and old legs, particularly in midfield.

A solid team is made of experience and youth. The same formula Branko followed and succeeded. Carlos should have done this when he had time but I am not sure if it is too late now or not.

As for his point "a" task that Peyman jaan very well explained above, I don't have anything else to add. If you don't think that is what distinguishes the "great coaches" from "good ones", that is perfectly your right and your opinion.

I simply stated my opinion that what makes great coaches are those who are able to bring the players up to their full potential and a bit above, with means in hand such as training, tactics, selections, formations, strategies, and else. That is why we pay such high salary to a man that holds exactly the same certificate as thousand others.

Mokhlesim.

[Doctor DOOM]

and to add t the above, lets step back and examine:

which group would you trust me in terms of quality performance, experience and exposure?
mahdavikia, yazdani, minavand, ... of 1996 or ebrahimi, moslaman, jahanbakhsh, sadeghiyan, ... of 2013?
remember nobody really knew the extent and potnetial of kia, yazadni, minavand, ... back in 1996 when MK took over the team, and in fact as their first game, lost 3-1 to uae in a friendly mere months before stepping into the 1996 asia cup.
anyone would take today's youth over the youth of that time. be it in terms of exposure, professionalism, qulity, ... etc etc.
but look how that bunch turned out when the coach actually TRUSTED them. they became superstars of Iran within no time at all. and gave TM many many years of noteworthy performances.

and this is what is being denied of ebrahimis and haghighis of today ... because some of us are either too scared or too narrow minded to let go of the slow, lethargic and satiated veterans. and for every opportunity that we lose to involve and intigrate our youth, we lose twice that amount for TM

we need to trust these guys more. we better understand we need to rejuvenate before we lose too much time and at the same time allow many years of productivity to waste away just because we dont have the guts to take that step

[zzgloo]

Bahram jaan, I am not sure what part you are making such an impossible task; including youth and energy, or coaching players to reach their ceiling and beyond?

First, I must say I never said Carlos is in charge of "youth" development. No, he is not. But he should bring in youth into the team "gradually" that are "developed". That is different than developing, that is transiting.

Players like Rahmani, Mosalman, or Sadeghian, who are not at the peak of their career but have the potential to play for TM. Just like when Kia joined TM before going to Europe or Karimi did or others did. TM transited under Mayeli and we saw how the youth and energy brought the team up.

When those players joined TM, they were not fully developed but yet ready to bring in youth and energy into the team. The very thing that is missing from TM at the moment with slow and old legs, particularly in midfield.

A solid team is made of experience and youth. The same formula Branko followed and succeeded. Carlos should have done this when he had time but I am not sure if it is too late now or not.

As for his point "a" task that Peyman jaan very well explained above, I don't have anything else to add. If you don't think that is what distinguishes the "great coaches" from "good ones", that is perfectly your right and your opinion.

I simply stated my opinion that what makes great coaches are those who are able to bring the players up to their full potential and a bit above, with means in hand such as training, tactics, selections, formations, strategies, and else. That is why we pay such high salary to a man that holds exactly the same certificate as thousand others.

Mokhlesim.

Manour jaan.....
Have you been in Iran recently ?....have you worked or done something in IRAN recently ?....have you tried to get something official done in IRAN recently ?...
IRAN...is the land of " ****ed up-ness " ( if there is such word ).....
have you heard the joke about advantages of Iranian " Hell " over " American " Hell ?...in Iranian Hell, there is Fire one day, but not the fuel,there is fuel another day but not The fire, and so on and so forth.......
Nothing substancial can be achived in Iran....if one gets lucky and does something, he can never ever, repeat it !........

[zzgloo]

and to add t the above, lets step back and examine:

which group would you trust me in terms of quality performance, experience and exposure?
mahdavikia, yazdani, minavand, ... of 1996 or ebrahimi, moslaman, jahanbakhsh, sadeghiyan, ... of 2013?
remember nobody really knew the extent and potnetial of kia, yazadni, minavand, ... back in 1996 when MK took over the team, and in fact as their first game, lost 3-1 to uae in a friendly mere months before stepping into the 1996 asia cup.
anyone would take today's youth over the youth of that time. be it in terms of exposure, professionalism, qulity, ... etc etc.
but look how that bunch turned out when the coach actually TRUSTED them. they became superstars of Iran within no time at all. and gave TM many many years of noteworthy performances.

and this is what is being denied of ebrahimis and haghighis of today ... because some of us are either too scared or too narrow minded to let go of the slow, lethargic and satiated veterans. and for every opportunity that we lose to involve and intigrate our youth, we lose twice that amount for TM

we need to trust these guys more. we better understand we need to rejuvenate before we lose too much time and at the same time allow many years of productivity to waste away just because we dont have the guts to take that step

You and Mansour, are assuming, there are some young players,currantly in our league..who would change everything for us...
why is it, that CQ can not see them ?....why is it I can not see them ?.....we see some decnt players.....but no one who could change the balance of TM for WCQ.......
The extend of issues existing with our TM that are far more drastic, that couple of youth,inexperinced U21 players..can solve.....
...
puting all my beliefs in one sentense..
The situation in IRAN,particularly in our football , is far more complex, and far more ****ed up, that it could be handled by logical plannings.

[Doctor DOOM]

You and Mansour, are assuming, there are some young players,currantly in our league..who would change everything for us...
why is it, that CQ can not see them ?....why is it I can not see them ?.....we see some decnt players.....but no one who could change the balance of TM for WCQ.......
The extend of issues existing with our TM that are far more drastic, that couple of youth,inexperinced U21 players..can solve.....

"change everything"? no single player born on earth (many believe messi is extraterrestrial) can change everything for a team. but as I said with MK TRUSTED in a bunch of very talented and promising players and got the rewards for that trust. they didnt "change everything". but by God they helped raise the level and quality of TM exponentially.

And yes, we DO have plenty of such talent that need to be trusted at TM. perhaps you havent followed our U-19 and U-22 teams. but just off the top of my head I can name a whole bunch of players at and lower than 23 years who deserve this trust. haghighi, ebrahimi, rahmani, jahanbakhsh, mosalman, sadeghiyan, karimi, lakk, ... etc etc etc.
I encourage you to visit pfdc archives (or footballitarin's) and watch our U-19 asian games as well as U-22 tourny in qatar. you'd be amazed how so much talent can be ignored so easily.

as for the issue of "experience", I have been posting several notes here, showing mere experience doesnt guarantee the best decisions or it doesnt automatically mean quality. here:
http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...t-Qatar/page11
you may have to go to different pages to see these notes

[Mansoor]

You and Mansour, are assuming, there are some young players,currantly in our league..who would change everything for us...
why is it, that CQ can not see them ?....why is it I can not see them ?.....we see some decnt players.....but no one who could change the balance of TM for WCQ.......
The extend of issues existing with our TM that are far more drastic, that couple of youth,inexperinced U21 players..can solve.....
...
puting all my beliefs in one sentense..
The situation in IRAN,particularly in our football , is far more complex, and far more ****ed up, that it could be handled by logical plannings.

I am assuming "there are some young players,currantly in our league..who would change everything for us..."?

No, doosteh man, such assumption is exaggeration of what I tried to say earlier.

No single factor in football can "change everything", especially the state we are in. Football is achieved through combination of several important factors. One of which is including youth to BRING IN ENERGY, SPIRIT, MOTIVATION, SPEED, to name a few. That is one of many factors that "could" lead to success (but not necessarily).

Does Carlos believe including youth can bring in "a factor" to help us? Apparently not! It is not the particular talented player that is in question, it is his approach. It is not a player or two that I see from long distance and yet an experienced well-known coach can not see from short distance! It is his belief.

His approach is to bring in all the foreign-based players, combine them with experienced players and look for result. It would have been no problem if he had achieved result. Or, he ends up achieving result. But we yet to see the result and we have our back to the wall.

My point from post one was he should have included youth in his program from early on to bring other factors that are missing from our current TM, specially speed, energy, and creativity in midfield.

Again, if you can't see that, I don't insist. But please don't change it to the point of exaggeration to prove a point.

Nobody here claims they have a "magic formula" to change the state of TM or our football. It is simply observations and point of views, some of which do not match the point of view of Carlos at the moment.

[zzgloo]

I am assuming "there are some young players,currantly in our league..who would change everything for us..."?

No, doosteh man, such assumption is exaggeration of what I tried to say earlier.

No single factor in football can "change everything", especially the state we are in. Football is achieved through combination of several important factors. One of which is including youth to BRING IN ENERGY, SPIRIT, MOTIVATION, SPEED, to name a few. That is one of many factors that "could" lead to success (but not necessarily).

Does Carlos believe including youth can bring in "a factor" to help us? Apparently not! It is not the particular talented player that is in question, it is his approach. It is not a player or two that I see from long distance and yet an experienced well-known coach can not see from short distance! It is his belief.
Mansour Jaan....I am sorry if I came across as an

His approach is to bring in all the foreign-based players, combine them with experienced players and look for result. It would have been no problem if he had achieved result. Or, he ends up achieving result. But we yet to see the result and we have our back to the wall.

My point from post one was he should have included youth in his program from early on to bring other factors that are missing from our current TM, specially speed, energy, and creativity in midfield.

Again, if you can't see that, I don't insist. But please don't change it to the point of exaggeration to prove a point.

Nobody here claims they have a "magic formula" to change the state of TM or our football. It is simply observations and point of views, some of which do not match the point of view of Carlos at the moment.

Mansour e aziz... and Payman e aziz
Please forgive me ,for not responding to your two seperate posts,individualy, as it would have possibly been redundant .
I am sorry if I came accross an " an exaggerator " !...it was not my intention...
and I do see your point,that had he understood our football well, his plan of action must have worked by now !!......
and I do admit my analysis of the situation is not very positive,nor is it football related....but,I still believe,it is the reality at hand !
....
The league,the Iranian football, the political situation,etc,etc...has been going through a " SLUMP ",in recent years....a " Slump " so profound, it can not be fixed by some exchange of players, or some " new blood "!!.....as the whole psycology,of Iranian players have been damaged....( or misdirected )....this Phenomena, has caused our football to get behind in Asia, this phenimena,has caused ourleague not to produce talenst as much,this phenomena has caused our good players to have bad attitude,and psycology,etc,etc,etc.
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Your suggested strategies were tried under Ali daie, and Ghotbi to some extend...but,could not counter the slump the system is in.
...........................

I remember,about 15 years ago, under the Mr.Karbaschi ( Mayor of Tehran at the time ), city of Tehran, invited and hired a company from switzerland ,in City plannings, and Traffic plannings for the city of Tehran............after 6 months,of studies,,and analysis...the Swise company,in three page recommandation to " the city of Tehran ", suggested, the best plan is " to leave things alone "...as they thought, there were no logical solutions for city of Tehran.
...here are some questions....( I am sorry if my post is too long..)
.
1- Why our youth players, play so creative and with a higher class in youth games, but when coming to TM, they get conservative, and show lack of expeinces, and can not showcase thier talenst ?
2- Why so many of our players, start with very promising show of talents,byt, when given upportunity,they stagnate, stop growing.
3- Why so many of our players, get so arrogant toward the people of IRAN and as if the country owes them something..and many cases, punish the country by not attending or resigning ?
4- Why has there been a gap,in producing talents by our league ?
5- why ****ed up managerial system in IRAN, that has crippled the whole industries, should be different in our football ?
6- Why, our TM football,has gotten so far behind.
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Considering the circumstances.....it is my opinion ( nothing more,nothing less ) that CQ is correct to go with the plan of " By any means neccessary " toward the WC.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ bahram jan, I just dont see how some of you guys say the league is not producing or is in a slump or ... when we have youngsters like jahanbakhsh, yaghoub karimi, lakk, karami, khanzadeh, haghighi, ... etc.

so by repeating the same thing 10 times over despite evidence to the contrary does not make it become reality. The fact is that our league has been and is still producing good number of prospects each and every season. so lets not insist on something that has little basis in reality.

now, to answer your questions:

1- could it be that the COACHES ask different things from the players. a vivid example of this is montazri's performances in ss (where he keeps the ball on the ground and runs with it confidently far more) and his TM (where he lobs the ball upfield far too many times).

2- maybe if they are trusted more, they wouldnt lose motivation or drive and stagnate. but if we keep on sticking to players up to ages of 33-34 and refuse to bring in younger ones, I'm afraid you will see negative repercussions.
I fear players like ebrahimi, rahmani, .. who have been doing well for 2-3 seasons and still dont see this trust, will eventually lose motivation and drive (as we say, become "sar khordeh" ) and join the ranks of many ignnored/neglected talents in years before!!


3- that is a cultural thing. and thankfully is NOT spread throughout iran. basically more in the popular clubs than in the other clubs. nothing is as it shd be in Iran, and the disproportionate & imbalanced attention and adoration piled on certain clubs players allows these kids (who usually come from very poor backgrounds and suddenly find themselves swimming in money) lose their bearing.
but thankfully you dont see this as prevalent in smaller clubs or shahrestani teams


4- again, false premise. no matter how many times we say it.

5- well, because as you said, it is indeed f**ked up. and anything that screwd up shd be changed. and there's no place to go by up.

6- bad handling, bad management, lack of trust in our own potential, ... etc



therefore, considering the circumstances, I think CQ better start taking more interest in our football and league and start paying attention to what we have on offer. ALL OF IT. but for that to happen, the bugger ought to stay put in Iran and actually do his duty of keeping our clubs under observation. in other words, EARN HIS PAY.
so ....

[zzgloo]

^ bahram jan, I just dont see how some of you guys say the league is not producing or is in a slump or ... when we have youngsters like jahanbakhsh, yaghoub karimi, lakk, karami, khanzadeh, haghighi, ... etc.


so by repeating the same thing 10 times over despite evidence to the contrary does not make it become reality. The fact is that our league has been and is still producing good number of prospects each and every season. so lets not insist on something that has little basis in reality.

Payman Jaan....you are being very unfair here....calling my opinion, repetitiouse and yours ' The Fact "........I support my opinion by these reasonings :
1- We have not been able to replace Ali daie,Karimi,mahdavikia,Hashemian,etc,etc..in recent years .
2- We have not had many legioners in recent years,either in europe or gulf area
3-Those youth invitations by Ali daie, and CQ,and others have not produced any " wonders ! "
4-Iranian football has fallen behind........
...........................................Now, after my repetitiouse unfounded reasonings...lets see your fact !!( other than your own opinion ) the fact that have elluded CQ

now, to answer your questions:

1- could it be that the COACHES ask different things from the players. a vivid example of this is montazri's performances in ss (where he keeps the ball on the ground and runs with it confidently far more) and his TM (where he lobs the ball upfield far too many times).
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No,it can not be....the reasonns are we do not have developmental strategies, for our youth..and they bring thier own street football talents to the youth games, and no one helps them develope ,and they get stagnated

2- maybe if they are trusted more, they wouldnt lose motivation or drive and stagnate. but if we keep on sticking to players up to ages of 33-34 and refuse to bring in younger ones, I'm afraid you will see negative repercussions.
I fear players like ebrahimi, rahmani, .. who have been doing well for 2-3 seasons and still dont see this trust, will eventually lose motivation and drive (as we say, become "sar khordeh" ) and join the ranks of many ignnored/neglected talents in years before!!
.
again....as CQ so elequently said, we need youth programs,and we need to have programs that would give internariuonal expeince to the youth



3- that is a cultural thing. and thankfully is NOT spread throughout iran. basically more in the popular clubs than in the other clubs. nothing is as it shd be in Iran, and the disproportionate & imbalanced attention and adoration piled on certain clubs players allows these kids (who usually come from very poor backgrounds and suddenly find themselves swimming in money) lose their bearing.
but thankfully you dont see this as prevalent in smaller clubs or shahrestani teams
.

It is partialy cultural, but it is mostly the result of " propaganda system, that players are not accountable for thier actions....and the system patronizes fans to keep them away from streets


4- again, false premise. no matter how many times we say it.
I am still waiting to see your " facts " the facts that have elluded CQ and other coaches.

5- well, because as you said, it is indeed f**ked up. and anything that screwd up shd be changed. and there's no place to go by up.
Because, our football is in fact as ****ed up as all other aspects of government control organizations in IRAN..and we should expect accordingly

6- bad handling, bad management, lack of trust in our own potential, ... etc

Because of ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN



therefore, considering the circumstances, I think CQ better start taking more interest in our football and league and start paying attention to what we have on offer. ALL OF IT. but for that to happen, the bugger ought to stay put in Iran and actually do his duty of keeping our clubs under observation. in other words, EARN HIS PAY.
so ....

Our football system is sick...it is under developed,propaganda based, susedized,patronizing, over paying,no accountability system.....managed by people out side of football.......
Untill these change we will continue to have a sick football.....
And that is why, you and mansour and similar thinking individuals ( well wishing intelectuals with true football knowlledge ), should not get too fancy with your ideas about Iranian football

[Doctor DOOM]

^ my friend, I didnt say mine are "facts". mine are also opinions. however you'd find a large majority of people agreeing those kids ARE worthy of naming them as great prospects coming out of our league.

here I must truly wonder if you even watched the recent Omid team's games. and I dont mean the 4-5 minute highlights. the entire 90+ minutes. or if you do watch some of these kids' performances in IPL. I doubt it.


2- again, in my opinion the only player we havent re-produced is Daei. otherwise, just as kia, karimi, azizi, ... were the highlights of those years (late 90's and early 00's), we have plenty who are the highlights of today and are just as decisive and talented.


yes, you may find a small number of people who would refuse to accept this based on their opinion. some of these do so because they think CQ is perfect and if a player isnt included in CQ's list then automatically and by divine decree, that player is inferior!!!!!! we have a couple of such people here on the forum too. these chaps waste no time in putting down and degrading our own players as long as they can shield CQ from any criticism!!!
But I'd rather trust someone's opinion who thinks FOR THEMSELVES and is not merely an obedient follower of another man's thinking.


3- legionnaires: I've discussed this issue on countless occasions. and frankly I dont see this a reliable basis to judge if we have talent or not. there are multitude of factors involved in a player (especially from iran with all its peripheral issues in the world) becoming a legionnaire. suffice to say that it is no indication to the presence or absence of talent or worthy players in iran


4- define "wonders". I think it is a wonder that kids while neglected and mistreated by most coaches (club and nat'l team) in Iran, still toil and display such talent when given a chance (as seen in the qatar tourney).


5- montazeri example. so in your view, there is no difference between montazeri's performances in ss and in TM?
a player has to perform as his coach asks. if the coach says go for the direct route and keep lobbing the ball up field as you get, and dont pass it to your DM or other mids, then he has to do that.
the same player can be asked by another coach to keep the ball and if given the chance, to build from the back by giving the ball to the midfield. and he has to do that too.
I thought the vast difference in montazeri's games is one of the best examples to show how a player can have such contrasting displays under different coaches.


6- "CQ's eloquent views on youth program". well as they say; talk is cheap. put your money where your mouth is. and CQ for all his claims and talk and early promises of "rejuvenating TM" and trusting the youth, hasnt done so.
we still had players aged 32-34-35 in his TM line ups when we had perfectly fine 23-25 year olds getting sidelined!


7- Sorry. I dont believe in this concept/thought process of "if a few parts of a whole go wrong, then we shd let the entire thing go". that's the easy & irresponsible way out.
if we can manage to get something right in the middle of 10 wrongs, then by all means we shd go for it.



but ultimately I am not here to convert you or anyone. neither am I here to win people over. each of us can go on believeing what we believe. I just think it is a very bleak and hopeless and sad picture to think Iran just doesnt have any talent just because CQ doesnt believe it. and I can only imagine this makes following TM that much harder for people who think this way. maybe this is why some people rejoice and jump up when we beat lowly teams like indonesia or mozambique or ... !

I believe we have far more potential in our midst and am quite positive. it's just that we dont get to see the best come out of our efforts.