Is Queiroz failing?

[Doctor DOOM]

I disagree about the formation being defensive. Having 4 big and tall defenders does no mean that the formation is defensive. At moments we were playing 4-1-4-1. Before we score the goal we had 1 player in the box, 4 behind the box with nekounam behind them and add to that Pejman or Beikzadeh. Thats plenty ofensive in my view. This formation was balanced enough IMHO. But thats not all, our formation was also changing to 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 and 4-2-4 at times and it was a pleasant surprise to see this much technical discipline in our team and that can come only with European coaches.

How can we predict or find out the true intention (strategy) of a coach?
instead of looking at numbers on a sheath of paper, we shd look at the players chosen. THAT would give us a better idea, dont you agree?
next indication is the TASKS asked of the players.
then finally, we must observe HOW the players play, which shd normally reflect the orders by the coach. for instance, if you are a player who CAN attack or cross or dribble inside , but are ordered to refrain from it, then in that particular game, you are a DEFENSIVE player (beikzadeh had such orders, for example)


besides, given the players and where & how they played, I dont think the formation was 4-1-4-1. it was more like 3-6-1 (or more precisely, 3-5-1-1, with shojaei given the task of connecting the midfield to our bacheh ghorbati ... since we had abandoned poor RGN )





we had FIVE actual defenders (heidari, montazeri, sadeghi, hosseini, beikzadeh) plus TWO defensive mids (nekounam & ando)
that is 7 out of 10 players are defensive players, which means 70% of the team.
so one can hardly say we werent defensive. nor can anyone claim it was "balanced".



beikzadeh hardly joined any attacks. neither did nekounam. nor ando. of all the 7 defensive players, only Heidari ventured a bit forward and joined attacks.

[yashar_fasihnia]

im pretty sure we played 4-2-3-1 and khosro was playing instead of ashkan az the right midfielder behind gucci. jabbari was in the middle and masoud on the left.

had ashkan been in the team, ashkan would play RM and khosro behind him as RB.

montazeri was our RB, sadeghi and hosseini our CBs and beygzadeh our left back which is pretty much esteghlals defensive set up except hanif plays instead of jalal hosseini in SS. Ando replaced samuel, shojaei replaced akbarpour/borhani and gucci replaced majidi/hatami.

it was the same formation and set up of esteghlal except with better players in some of the positions

the only problem was the midfielders were not pushing up as 2nd and 3rd waves of attacks which ghalenoi's esteghlal does, but maybe carlos had instructed the defenders to hold the defense line back and as a result our midfielders had to stay behind and didnt have enough stamina or speed to cover the huge space between defense line and gucci which kind of makes sense given the qataris fast and tiny players could outrun our big but slow defenders at ease if given the space.

[Doctor DOOM]

CQ at it again.
I like, I like

putting pressure on the refs to clamp down on grass rolling and time wasting. Lets hope it has the desired effect

I guess it was high time we got a whiff of this "professionalism" his supporters keep throwing around.

[zzgloo]

I personaly have liked CQ from the start....
I noticed his hands on appraoch,
his no-nounsense attitude,
his criticisms of IFF,
his control of Media,
his deciplining the players,
his asking help from fellow coaches,
his interdependency to the league,
his relationship to league coaches,
his attempt to bring new legioners,
his testing of different styles of play,
his fearlessness to play new players,
his advices for future of Iranian football,
his positive attitude,
his constant demand from Iranian officials to do more,
his cowboy attitude toward FIFA,
his intelegence,
his ,looking into your eye, attitude.
and , his devotion.
.
.................................Had the club league teams helped him to have all his domestic players ready and healthy,for the first Lebanon game..( as well as not missing the legioners,for that game ).......we would have been sitting on the top of the group by now !
Considering the mess,Ali Daei and Ghotbi left him with,CQ has been positive for us....and it appears,he finaly has found the right Roster, chemistry and style of play for games ahead,which is true to his own style coaching as well as fitting with Iranian football.

[Mansoor]

I agree Peyman jaan. The good news is the ref is from Japan and that "should" help as well.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ yes, bro. apparently it is the same chap who officiated the tashkent game.
And that could go either way. the least is we know he is error prone!!
secondly, he isnt shy to whistle against the hosts or even discount their legitimate goal. so there's cause for worry.

nevertheless, I beleive lebanon is all crippled and demolished by the time they actually kick off. So I dont expect a great resistance or too many heriocs from them, try as they might though



on CQ:
he seems to be good at some things and not so good at others. He obviously learned most of these tricks and tactics from the big man, fergie, who is known for such things. But this is only one aspect of coaching.
he has shown vulnerabilities in a few other aspects and areas of coaching.

perhaps it is the "assistant coach" syndrome where the individual doesnt make a full transformation from a successful assistant to a successful head coach

[K. Nader]

^^^

That is incorrect. The referee in that game was Yuichi Nishimura. Masaki Toma was the referee in the Iran-Indonesia match which took place in Tehran.

[BacheLot]

I personaly have liked CQ from the start....
I noticed his hands on appraoch,
his no-nounsense attitude,
his criticisms of IFF,
his control of Media,
his deciplining the players,
his asking help from fellow coaches,
his interdependency to the league,
his relationship to league coaches,
his attempt to bring new legioners,
his testing of different styles of play,
his fearlessness to play new players,
his advices for future of Iranian football,
his positive attitude,
his constant demand from Iranian officials to do more,
his cowboy attitude toward FIFA,
his intelegence,
his ,looking into your eye, attitude.
and , his devotion.
.
.................................Had the club league teams helped him to have all his domestic players ready and healthy,for the first Lebanon game..( as well as not missing the legioners,for that game ).......we would have been sitting on the top of the group by now !
Considering the mess,Ali Daei and Ghotbi left him with,CQ has been positive for us....and it appears,he finaly has found the right Roster, chemistry and style of play for games ahead,which is true to his own style coaching as well as fitting with Iranian football.

i agree to the Bold from the above..!! i would add another that with him at helm it halted the exuberant amount of partibazi which brought a bunch undeserving players to tm..!! That was one of the biggest reasons i wanted an independent minded, high caliber Foreigner coach to take over in the first place ..!!

i cant say i'd really consider him an astute and accomplished tactician..! overall, he hasnt even proven to have a good eye for young talents and up until recently, where out of Pure desperation didnt alter his tactics nor give any reasonable playing chances to youngins or anybody besides his aging favorites...!! he is in fact a bit of a arrogant kale shagh who refused to make any significant changes to his failed repeated game approaches, and squad selection until he was forced by injuries, retirements, disciplinary-absentees ...!!

on the last statement, lets hope so...!! this last game vs gutter was the lone time that ive witnessed him really taking a somewhat different tactical approach to tm games and flirt with a relative experimental lineups..!! lets hope the success and good performance in that game would also serves as a revelation for him to be more open to criticism and not become a too predictable coach..!!
PS
Im still disappointed with his flaky substitutions and timing for them, which obviously proves his game time assessments arent really of the highest caliber of first class international coaches, that he surely thinks he is..!!

Lets hope we see another good performance vs lebonon, so i can also become more optimistic as you..!!

[Doctor DOOM]

^^^

That is incorrect. The referee in that game was Yuichi Nishimura. Masaki Toma was the referee in the Iran-Indonesia match which took place in Tehran.

oh, ok. I thought it was the other chap. someone in general forum said it was.
anyway, whoever the ref, now he will be a bit more focused on the matter of time wasting.


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@ ZZ's list of CQ's bright lights:

I agree on some, but I find it a bit hard to agree on a few.

like his tactical variety. I'd say basically he is a defensive coach with defensive tactics. yes, he may have shown a little variety WITHIN A DEFENSIVE framework, but I have not seen any aggression or attacking football from him.
he is very reserved and cautious. which may be handy against bigger and tougher teams. But to be like that against smaller, weaker teams or when the objective of the game is different? that's just not on.

"fearlessness" especially in the matter of youth? I hardly think so.

"positive attitude"? behavioral? I would agree. But tactically and football wise? I doubt it. he's quite pessimistic and defensive.
however, this is a double edged sword. as BL put it, he comes with a baggage of arrogance and ego (that at times isnt even justified, imo)




and I feel the moment we praise him for something, we tend to wash over many other negatives or blow some other things out of proportion in our delight and exuberance!!!
looking into my eyes? bro, I dont care if he looks at my knees (or anywhere else) as long as he does the job he was tasked with CORRECTLY.
Fact is he has faltered and made what was promised to be an easy qualification campaign, a very torturous and hard one! he also has faltered in rejuvenating our TM (but at this late stage, there's no point asking him to do it now. lets at least get the WCQ's done right).
THAT, for me is more important than whether he looks me in the eye (and says whatever) or not.


lets not forget, we're still in the soup (no thanks to very weak games against lebanon, qatar & uzbeks at home). and it's not as if he's broken a giant's tool by defeating qatar!!!! especially when the goal came off an accidental recochet rather than a rehearsed move.

so lets dial down our exuberance and wait to see if he can make amends for his slip ups earlier in the campaign first.
I hope he does.
he can start by defeating a demoralized, further weakened and already eliminated asian minnow by at least 3 goals.

[Doctor DOOM]

Now that the game vs lebanon is done and suted and we have done what is necessary (score 4), I think CQ can proceed to the next step by applying pressure on qataris and bringing up their reputation, rising status in asia, their ambitions, their pride and most importantly the 2022 WC prospects and keep going at it, pumping them up and raising the awareness on that game (as most asia will be focused on our crucial game and may forget about this one).

But in presence of int'l press and not just some silly iranian rags only.

come on CQ, this is the final stretch. I am sure you can take care of this tactic too.

[faraz]

I believe we can finally put this topic to bed - Queroz ultimately did not fail. He exceeded expectations, finishing top of the group. Tactically, he really proved himself in the final 3 games. I felt like we had pretty clear plans in each of those games and they were all favourable results for us.

One last tidbit - we only conceded 2 goals in 8 games...that's unheard of! Queroz definitely had a role to play in that too.

Congrats to him, the team, and all of Iran - it is a proud, proud day for us all.

[Doctor DOOM]

Redemption must taste so sweet for CQ.

He redeemed himself in the final 3 games and made up (I'd say he went an extra mile, in fact) for the early hic-ups

[Martin-Reza]

Hickups are normal in football, unfortunately also that some fans take themselves too important and bash the coach all the time.

[Martin-Reza]

Oh, btw, answer to the thread title's question is "no", just in case someone is still unsure. We can go through this thread though and easily find out who failed...

[Mr.Click]

^ hehehe..was gonna post the exact same comment, beat me to it.
in my mind this thread is closed