The common dominater in Iran's black day in football.

[maij]

Two bitter defeats one after another inb the black Sunday 11-11-2012.

Two defeats, one of which was a shock in result , the other one was not too much of a jolt in result but a shock performance.
Futsal result was a shock , football U 19 was a shock in performance.

I have been scratching my head all day trying to figure out a common dominator, if such a condition exists in these two bitter defeats. I think I found one.

Both of the vatani coaches have a failure track record , yet were maintained because of that famous Iranian attribute of Lajbazi , not to mention some party bazi. Mohammadi had a a fantastic team at his hand some years ago , and failed, There was a public inquest in the media , including NAVAD TV program in which Mohammadi suitability, experience and qualification was put under scruyiny. He was bombarded with all sort of accusation during a TV interview not to mention calls for his dismissal and appointment of experienced professional coach.
yet , Akbar Mohammadi , despite that failure maintained his job , On and OFF, a couple of years later , we are back at the same stage and he fails again.

Sanei , in futsal , was not a bad player in his own right but really inexperienced coach, When you are going to international stage , experience is second to none when it comes to coaching, Sanei failed in the Asian championship or failed to make it to the final. He offered to resign , yet the all grinning Kafashian in his usual wisdom , said that Sanei is going nowhere , he will stay as Futsal coach for Team Melli!!
So , with that decision made by his majesty and Torabian and the obvious animosity against Shams and Shamsaei . Sanei lead the team to the most important competition on earth, FIFA Futsal World Cup. Apart from the Spain match , the team was well below par but a defeat against Colombia was really a shock,

So ...here we go, A story of two failure coaches both of whom continued to hold to their jobs despite their track record and a football federation that continues operating as a tyrannical and despotic regime. Who is the victim of Kafashian and his Mafia ? the fans .

[Martin-Reza]

I think it's two pair of shoes. Futsal was a shocker and we lost to a team weaker than us. I think there we can point our fingers at the coach, although one has to feel sorry for him a bit when thinking about the dozens of chances wasted by his players.

U-19 is something else. There we are certainly way behind South Korea and only the fact that we overperformed in the group made us think it would be otherwise. Here we probably can thank the coach for getting more than 100% out of the team against Japan and Kuwait and then not being able to pull off another wonder against Korea.

[Paradigm]

Maij, another issue is that as soon as Iran beat Japan, everyone started getting comfy and opened "transfer talents to Europe" threads.
The problem has always been more than anything, motivational and also cultural... I knew a disaster like this was waiting down the line!!

What I've said is besides the points you have correctly noted in your post.

[maij]

I think it's two pair of shoes. Futsal was a shocker and we lost to a team weaker than us. I think there we can point our fingers at the coach, although one has to feel sorry for him a bit when thinking about the dozens of chances wasted by his players.

U-19 is something else. There we are certainly way behind South Korea and only the fact that we overperformed in the group made us think it would be otherwise. Here we probably can thank the coach for getting more than 100% out of the team against Japan and Kuwait and then not being able to pull off another wonder against Korea.

Perhaps it is difficult to prove, but I maintain that Iran U-19 players were more skilful that the Koreans, but that is nothing if such skill is not utilized , manipulated and channeled properly. There is where the coach roles pops up ( especially at this sort of age group players) and there is where one Akbar Mohammadi failed to deliver.
I also noticed the obvious gaps in defense from the very beginning and how the coach failed to cement it. Defense was supposed to be the best performing of all the lines in this team!!!
Anyway , there are many other technical issue that can be discussed , but for me , this was a match where the bench played a major role in the result.

[maij]

Maij, another issue is that as soon as Iran beat Japan, everyone started getting comfy and opened "transfer talents to Europe" threads.
The problem has always been more than anything, motivational and also cultural... I knew a disaster like this was waiting down the line!!

What I've said is besides the points you have correctly noted in your post.

I think we should excuse those kids who , in their spontaneous excitement , think that the next Messi is fr0m Iran U-19 team . You should not take them too seriously.

Joking aside , though , I personally believe there are enough talented young footballers in Iran to create a good team or two in the near future. But Iran has a chronic handicap in terms of social and cultural aspects that will never enable these young talents reaching their full potential.

[Kavian]

The pattern of these losing streaks are becoming so common in our sports including Football, Futsal, Volleyball, Basketball, and others, that one needs to look beyond the skill of players or the experience of the coach to find the root cause.

I strongly think the root cause is inheriated in our society and culture at the moment and until that is fixed (which is a big a issue on its own), I am afraid the histroy will keep repeating.

[maij]

The pattern of these losing streaks are becoming so common in our sports including Football, Futsal, Volleyball, Basketball, and others, that one needs to look beyond the skill of players or the experience of the coach to find the root cause.
I strongly think the root cause is inheriated in our society and culture at the moment and until that is fixed (which is a big a issue on its own), I am afraid the histroy will keep repeating.

Of course , that is true and applies to certain sectors of the society, but the question that needs to be asked , will a better society (culturally speaking) necessarily produce better football players or other athletes??
I don't really think so. It might help expedite the development and cultivating of natural talents , but I doubt that it will PRODUCE talents in the first place. Affluent societies in many parts of the world have failed miserably in producing exceptional athletes.
A good example is comparing Iran's London Olympic medals haul to some of the more developed , civilized and richer countries.

Not to mention that a country like Austria , did not win any medals.


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[zzgloo]

Thanks for the thread majid jaan..
To me....u 19..was a typical bad management and coaching..
but..Futsal..it was a crime !....
My wife tells me about the Pakistani basmati Rice.....she says, the rice is so good and better than all other types of rices..no matter how bad a cook you are, the rice still will turn out good..andt,you realy have be trying so hard to make a bad " polo " ( rice ) with it....
same as With our Futsal......it was major crime..to make something so good, to get so bad a result !

[maij]

Thanks for the thread majid jaan..
To me....u 19..was a typical bad management and coaching..
but..Futsal..it was a crime !....
My wife tells me about the Pakistani basmati Rice.....she says, the rice is so good and better than all other types of rices..no matter how bad a cook you are, the rice still will turn out good..andt,you realy have be trying so hard to make a bad " polo " ( rice ) with it....
same as With our Futsal......it was major crime..to make something so good, to get so bad a result !

That Basmati rice is a very good example.

I am also at loss how they have screwed futsal so badly. Even with this team , they could have and should have done much better in futsal. What transpired later was the struggle and internal strife which made the difference. Futsal is much simpler to remedy than football due to many reasons specially the fact that it is not a huge problem that facing futsal unlike the more popular version.

[Keano]

Well as we all already know in Iran and many other 3rd. wold countries bribing and personal ties between entities have always been the strongest and number one factor in picking names and appointing for lucrative and prestigious titles. There are no specific professional criteria to make such appointments and installments, You either have to be an IR puppet, or just purely a dumb puppet who would do what they're directed to, one attribution that cannot be tolerated by this regime is defiance towards their ideals and orders, therefore the dumber and the more coward the person, the more likelihood of granting such positions to these imbeciles...

It's just as if because you all love Mila, I would let her sleep with y'all, dream on boys! JK

[maij]

^^^
I guess it was a no brainer to predict the failure of futsal becuse of the in-fighting , party bazi and the differences between Shams , Shamnsaei , Torabian and the rest. In one way the defeat in Asia and the World Cup were good lessons for Iran's futsal. It was a proof that you can't find succeed with nepotism and this sort of crap. I think Iran is very unique country where anyone can suddenly become a coach of an important team in no time!!! Providing you know the right people.

The 6 million dollar question is : Have they learned from their mistakes ?

BTW: This Mila of yours , Keano jan. Before you offer her to sleep with us , how abourt feeding the poor gal , so at least we have somethiong to grab to while..ehemmm...ehmmm

[Martin-Reza]

Ehm, these are our Futsal World Cup performances so far:

1989 Did not enter
1992 Fourth place
1996 Round 1
2000 Round 1
2004 Round 1
2008 Round 2
2012 Round of 16

I don't really see the big "underperforming issue" of this year. I don't know where the expectations about us being some title favourites came from, especially not after we missed out on the AC title.

[zzgloo]

The expectation is valid....
Futsal is different than football....our street football skills have no value in football ,but it does a lot in futsal.....and we are very good at it..may be not as good as Brazil....but other than Brazil, no other team is out of reach for us to beat....we have consistantly proved that..without any accident or getting lucky....and fifa also appear to agree with it also..as we have consistantly been in the top ten in the world...and that,is no easy accumplishment !