IRAN - UZBEKISTAN - WCQ (Nov 14th)

[St_Mark]

Group A

UZBEKISTAN	5	2	2	1	5	4	1	8
KOREA REPUBLIC	4	2	1	1	9	4	5	7
I.R. IRAN	5	2	1	2	2	2	0	7
QATAR	5	2	1	2	3	5	-2	7
LEBANON	5	1	1	3	2	6	-4	4

given the above table and especially the number of goals scored by uzbeks, if we are to make a campaign out of this, we know we MUST score goals and lots of them.
Hadi and others have brought up a very valid point which is the lack of a true playmaker in the team. Very true. when the team lacks creativity going forward, its strikers will struggle to be in scoring positions and will be taken out of the game. or they'd be forced to come deep to recieve balls ... which means nobody up there to score.
but my question to you all is Iran lacks playmakers and creative mids? is there such a shortage of creative players that we are forced to rely on mediocre & inconsistent players like mohamad nouri (I know he did well. but after so many poor games. that makes him unreliable)?
hell, we did have Milad Nouri, who's been doing well in Saba (besides scoring goals, which is a bonus) and he also showed great vision in the tajikistan game. Why not him?
and there are more players. There is bakhtiar Rahmani who's shownhe is quite the reliable playmaker for at least 2 seasons.

so if we dont use the right elements when they ARE available to us is purely the COACH's fault.


issue two:
But elements is one thing. the other thing is the game plan.
is there any sane and mature person here who thinks in the remaining games a defensive football will get us there? anyone?
does anyone doubt that ONLY an offensive approach will be able to provide a glimmer of hope for us (that is IF we are lucky enough to see uzbeks or koreans lose points in their games and that is a BIG if)?

should we continue to play with TWO def-mids, therefore wasting a spot that shd have gone to an offensive, creative mid in the team?
anyone can claim having more DM's means preventing goals concession? didnt we bring in P Nouri, along with nekounam yesterday, or had ando-neku couple when we get scored on in other games? I doubt anyone can deny this.
But I can strongly say if in those very games, we had a more creative player instead of that extra DM, chances of our socring goals would have doubled.


issue three:
player selection. no matter what we plan or want or need. if we dont get the right elements there, we wont get it.
more specifically, if we keep relying on names, we're going to continue the same rut. most glaring of all is use of ansarifard even for a second. This was proven to be a wasteful and useless option in past games. but we still see CQ waste a sub on him. why? based on what evidence?
(or was it omid namazi's decision to use him? coz that just proves how utterly useless and ineffective this chap is. I didnt have much of a respect for him simply because he hasnt done jack shit in football to justify becoming TM coach. but if it was his decision and subs, then I say before CQ, he shd be kicked out of TM.)


this mis-trust of new faces must go. some say "int'l experience"? I say bullshit.
if int'l experience and playing at europe's top leagues and having shitload of caps at TM means staying rooted to the ground and not knowing to follow your mark or be in front of him or ... , then I say screw int'l exprience. we might as well use U-15 players who can actually run.
so this silly excuse of "X isnt int'lly experienced" is totally foolish as our experienced players make far worse and much more mistakes than out newcomers and supposedly inexperienced lads



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we are in a major soup!!!

26-03-2013 TBC	KOREA REPUBLIC	-	QATAR
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26-03-2013 TBC	UZBEKISTAN	-	LEBANON
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04-06-2013 TBC	LEBANON	-	KOREA REPUBLIC
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04-06-2013 TBC	QATAR	-	I.R. IRAN
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11-06-2013 TBC	I.R. IRAN	-	LEBANON
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11-06-2013 TBC	KOREA REPUBLIC	-	UZBEKISTAN
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18-06-2013 TBC	UZBEKISTAN	-	QATAR
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18-06-2013 TBC	KOREA REPUBLIC	-	I.R. IRAN

1- it's too much of a wishful thinking to dream about lebanon of all teams giving a hard time to uzbeks in tashkent. that game is pretty much in the bag for the uzbeks barring some freak accident.


that leaves the next matchday (we have off) in something like uzbeks 11 pts, korea 10 pts (they raped qataris in qatar. what do you think they'll do to them at home?) and iran at 7


2- next MatchDay.
uzbeks dont have a game and we will have to wait for them to slip up and lose points, while we still struggle.
I doubt lebanon will get anything out of korea as koreans know how to get goals (unlike us) even if the opponent parks the bus.
so while uzbeks are off, we still have a tough game in qatar who will be on par with us and see their chance for the play off at least. given the AFC's and FIFA's intention, we'd be fools if we think the ref would be impartial.

even if we somehow win, we'll be 10, uzbeks at 11 and korea at 13



3- penultimate matchday
this is the MD that really matters to us. if korea beats uzbeks and if we win lebanon at home, then, we MAY (not out of the water yet) have a chance

korea 16 (qualifies), Iran 13, uzbeks 11

but if korea and uzbeks draw, and even if we win, we'll be in big trouble and almost out of direct contention as uzbeks have their home game against a team they've already beatn away, while we have to travel to korea!

korea 14, iran 13, uzbeks, 12,


4- final MD:
Uzbeks have the easiest work as they meet qatar AT HOME who are also demoralized (already eliminated). but here is the ONLY lght in the tunnel for us that somehow we get lucky and qatar somehow gets a draw ... although not very much likely as they lost in qatar already

while we have to travel to Korea which is NEVER, EVER easy for us and our best results have been draws. Thus we're faced with a WIN-OR-DIE while uzbeks walts into the game pretty happy.

With due respect you have been distracted..
Unless you are one of those dreamers , focus should be to at least make it as third place to enter secondary path.
What make you sure we can end up as a third team ?
If we lose to Qat or tie with Qat & Leb we more likely will end up 4th.
Last time i checked we have not defeated Qatar lately not even at home.
on paper still Iran can make it even as a First or even Korea as a third but unlikely.
6 point for remaining games for Iran needed atl for Third place ( we should aim for atl 13P & hopefully more)
As for Korea 6 points in remaining game also put them at 3rd.

I run #s for Ahaduzbek question of third place Korean for fun
For Iran 331
For Uzbek 313
For Qatar 100
in such scenario
Korea will end up: 1311 & third place !

Iran Games Uzbek Games Qatar Games Q L K P P0 TP L K Q P P0 TP K I U P P0 TP 0 0 0 0 7 7 0 0 0 0 8 8 0 0 0 0 7 7 0 0 1 1 7 8 0 0 1 1 8 9 0 0 1 1 7 8 0 1 0 1 7 8 0 1 0 1 8 9 0 1 0 1 7 8 1 0 0 1 7 8 1 0 0 1 8 9 1 0 0 1 7 8 0 1 1 2 7 9 0 1 1 2 8 10 0 1 1 2 7 9 1 1 0 2 7 9 1 1 0 2 8 10 1 1 0 2 7 9 0 0 3 3 7 10 0 0 3 3 8 11 0 0 3 3 7 10 0 3 0 3 7 10 0 3 0 3 8 11 0 3 0 3 7 10 1 1 1 3 7 10 1 1 1 3 8 11 1 1 1 3 7 10 3 0 0 3 7 10 3 0 0 3 8 11 3 0 0 3 7 10 0 1 3 4 7 11 0 1 3 4 8 12 0 1 3 4 7 11 0 3 1 4 7 11 0 3 1 4 8 12 0 3 1 4 7 11 1 0 3 4 7 11 1 0 3 4 8 12 1 0 3 4 7 11 1 3 0 4 7 11 1 3 0 4 8 12 1 3 0 4 7 11 3 0 1 4 7 11 3 0 1 4 8 12 3 0 1 4 7 11 3 1 0 4 7 11 3 1 0 4 8 12 3 1 0 4 7 11 1 1 3 5 7 12 1 1 3 5 8 13 1 1 3 5 7 12 1 3 1 5 7 12 1 3 1 5 8 13 1 3 1 5 7 12 1 1 3 5 7 12 1 1 3 5 8 13 1 1 3 5 7 12 3 1 1 5 7 12 3 1 1 5 8 13 3 1 1 5 7 12 0 3 3 6 7 13 0 3 3 6 8 14 0 3 3 6 7 13 3 0 3 6 7 13 3 0 3 6 8 14 3 0 3 6 7 13 3 3 0 6 7 13 3 3 0 6 8 14 3 3 0 6 7 13 1 3 3 7 7 14 1 3 3 7 8 15 1 3 3 7 7 14 3 1 3 7 7 14 3 1 3 7 8 15 3 1 3 7 7 14 3 3 1 7 7 14 3 3 1 7 8 15 3 3 1 7 7 14 3 3 3 9 7 16 3 3 3 9 8 17 3 3 3 9 7 16 =17�pl=`R�Xl�2.75pt'>

Korea Games Q L U i P P0 TP 1 3 1 1 6 7 13

[Doctor DOOM]

^ that is also a possibility.
4th spot isnt exactly out of range and an impossibility!!!

the way we arrange and line up our players for games, I wouldnt be surprised to see continued defensve line ups and game plans by CQ, which would get us mere draws in qatar and perhaps seoul (but hey, the silver lining is that at least these defensive games will please some of our members who're always touting defensive football. so not all of us will be unhappy)

[St_Mark]

^ that is also a possibility.
4th spot isnt exactly out of range and an impossibility!!!

the way we arrange and line up our players for games, I wouldnt be surprised to see continued defensve line ups and game plans by CQ, which would get us mere draws in qatar and perhaps seoul (but hey, the silver lining is that at least these defensive games will please some of our members who're always touting defensive football. so not all of us will be unhappy)

As you explained, Iran has two away games and need to score.... very difficult task given seen game plans and risky business of playing burned out players like Abasfard... back to future....

[Doctor DOOM]

the campaign that was more like a 1000 meter race was treated like a marathon by CQ (and applauded by defensive/cautious enthusisasts) and we are suddenly finding there is not much room for slow, cautious and conservatism. this race has suddenly turned into a mad dash & sprint for us.
either we run forward like hell or we just bow out.

those who like cautious, conservative marathon should leave WCQ's alone and purely concentrate on leagues

[St_Mark]

^
Either the well ( status of our football ) was very deep, or she fell very slowly ( CQ direct), for she had plenty of time as she... but it was too dark to see anything; then she looked at the sides of the well, and ...thought Alice to herself, `after such a fall as this, I shall think nothing of ...

[Paradigm]

Isn - مهاجم تیم ملی فوتبال ایران ازمردم کشورمان به خاطرشکست مقابل ازبکستان عذرخواهی کرد و گفت: کادر فنی تیم ملی در این شکست مقصر نیست. ˈرضا قوچان نژادˈ پس از شکست تیم ملی فوتبال ایران مقابل ازبکستان افزود: هر گاه درفوتبال با نتیجه یک بر صفر عقب می افتیم، تمام تلاش خود را برای جبران به کار می گیریم اما باید اتفاق هایی بیفتد تا به گل برسیم. وی ادامه داد:دربازی مقابل ازبکستان بدشانس بودیم و نتوانستیم از فرصت های گلزنی استفاده کنیم. وی اظهار داشت: اکنون همه چیز در گروه a انتحابی جام جهانی در قاره آسیا نزدیک شده است و همه تیم ها شانس صعود دارند. قوچان نژاد افزود: در بازی بعدی مقابل قطر باید تنها به کسب 3 امتیاز فکر کنیم تا بتوانیم به جام جهانی صعود کنیم. وی بابیان اینکه داوربازی ایران و ازبکستان گل درست ایران را نپذیرفت، افزود: اشتباهات داوری جزیی از فوتبال است و نمی توان آن را نادیده گرفت. وی ادامه داد:شکست ایران مقابل ازبکستان به بازیکنان تیم ملی بازمی گرددوکادر فنی مقصر نیست. پنجشنبه 25 آبان 1391

isn - هافبک تیم ملی فوتبال ایران گفت: مهم صعود به جام جهانی فوتبال است و برای رسیدن به این هدف همچنان شانس دارد. ˈآندرانیک تیموریانˈ پس از شکست یک بر صفر تیم ملی فوتبال ایران مقابل ازبکستان در جمع خبرنگاران افزود: دست تک تک مردمی که با حضور در ورزشگاه آزادی تهران از تیم ملی کشورمان حمایت کردند، می بوسم. وی با بیان اینکه تیم ملی فوتبال ایران در بازی مقابل ازبکستان موقعیت های زیادی از دست داد، افزود: همه اعضای تیم ملی تمام تلاش خود را در این بازی به کار بستند اما شکست خوردیم. وی تاکید کرد: تیم ملی فوتبال کشورمان باید به جام جهانی صعود کند و در این راه باید همه مسوولان و مردم کمک کنند. تیموریان گفت: در بازی امروز دستورات کادر فنی را به خوبی اجرا کردم و کارلوس کی روش از عملکردم راضی بود.هافبک تیم ملی با رد این موضوع که از زمان حضور در لیگ قطر عملکرد ضعیف تری در تیم ملی دارد، افزود: همچنان خوب هستم و در این خصوص نظر کادر فنی تیم ملی اهمیت دارد. پنجشنبه 25 آبان 1391

By the way I think Japan has almost already qualified with 13 points out of 5 matches. Correct?

[zzgloo]

May be...it is best for political future of IRAN....and changing this regim...to lose the following three games also....
That would be yet another loss,for islamic republic, who thought,by football propaganda, and spending billions of football,for no return...was going to garruntee its survival......
how could, our football thrive, when everything els, is suffering in our country.........????
it may be best,for people to start thinking about thier auctioned off country..inseatd of giving millions of dollars to likes of mahdavikia...who are cashing in off of the propaganda.

[Paradigm]

They say this was the first time ever Iran has lost to Uzbekistan, at the senior national team level.

ISN -اولوق بک باکایفˈ بازیکن تیم ملی فوتبال ازبکستان که تنها گل دیدار مقابل ایران در ورزشگاه آزادی تهران را به ثمر رساند، بهترین بازیکن میدان شد. دیدار تیم های ملی فوتبال ایران و ازبکستان در حالی(چهارشنبه) در حضور بیش از 50 هزار تماشاگر در ورزشگاه آزادی تهران برگزار شد که باکایف در دقیقه 71 تنها گل بازی را برای تیم ازبکستان به ثمر رساند. در این دقیقه، ˈسرور جبارافˈ از جناح چپ تیم ایران توپ را به روی دروازه کشورمان سانتر کرد تا پس از تعلل مدافعان و دروازه بان ایران، باکایف تیم خود را پیش اندازد. تیم ملی فوتبال ایران با این شکست، اولین ناکامی خود را مقابل تیم ملی فوتبال ازبکستان در تاریخ دیدار دو تیم ثبت کرد تا تیم های فوتبال ایران در 72 ساعت اخیر، سومین شکست خود را تجربه کنند. تیم ایران با این شکست به رده سوم جدول گروه خود سقوط کرد. پنجشنبه 25 آبان 1391

Sounds superstitious, but things do seem to happen in packs of threes. I can tell from my own life experiences.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ well CQ has really gifted us more than the first loss fo uzbeks.
it's our first defeat to lebanon .... a country that so far hadnt been able to even SCORE A BLOODY GOAL against us, let alone dream about winning!

and lets not forget this was quite an easy route to qualification before it started. It is how we consistently played poorly and lost point after point that now we are on the verge of elimination!

as for the youth teams, well, we cant blame him totally, but he certainly had a hand in them too as he approved mohamadi's appointment as U19 team coach when he had NOTHING in his resume to support such an appointment.
... well nothing except damning our U17 with his mis-handling and terrible coaching in previous U17 WCQ's.
looks like our blindness and ignorance to history is contagious as that bug has infected CQ also, who didnt bother or ignored mohamadi's terrible record and non-existent qualifications.

and appointing namazi as TM coach while he also had absolutely NOTHING in his resume to support picking him as a national team coach whatsoever. yes, the same coach who most probably choked in the game and either decided on totally foolish substitutes or accepted those foolish decisions.

so those infatuated with CQ's name and associations (fergie, RM, portugal ...) need to open their eyes and see how UNSUITABLE he is for us.

[Doctor DOOM]

but in all honesty, I want CQ's supporters to come out and enumerate all he has done for and at TM. No doubt he has had a few positive effects. but his mistakes and errors and failures outweigh all that.

as far as I can remember, we have had one and half games that performance & quality wise (imo) have been an improvement and worthy of praise.
the one and half games are:
1- Iran - Uzbekitan's first half in azadi
and
2- the bahrain game in Azadi ....... which if one thinks about it, is more due to other factors than CQ's coaching. in fact I'd say that win is more about (1) the first minute red card and also (2) the issue of Iranians taking on bahrainis and the history behind it and the iranian gheyrat and animosity (football-wise) that compelled the team to play in such an aggressive and dominating manner

the rest of the games under CQ (and I refuse to count playing 150th and below ranked pissy little teams as "opponents") have been a long series of under-performance, low quality and error-ridden stumbles than anything else.
and yes, even the south korea game which we won on the score board, but were lucky the post saved us twice and many other factors that are covered in the corresponding thread here.

so our shit-kicking expensive, "international" coach, after almost TWO bloody years of being in charge has only 45 minutes (which as if he's made a mistake, he promptly comes and shits all over by making some of the most horrendous substitutions in recent history ... all to make things go back to normal -- CQ's normal) of quality football to show for himself !!
whippidi-doodah!
hala hey zert o zert began "he was RM and portugal coach" or he is god or superman or jesus bloody christ or whatever. That doesnt change the fact that he has failed to show quality improvements for us.
maybe he will do wonders at bahrain or thailand or yemen or kenya. But he isnt suited for Iran

[St_Mark]

but in all honesty, I want CQ's supporters to come out and enumerate all he has done for and at TM. No doubt he has had a few positive effects. but his mistakes and errors and failures outweigh all that.

as far as I can remember, we have had one and half games that performance & quality wise (imo) have been an improvement and worthy of praise.
....

... and Iran has bended for CQ's demands more than any other coach of any sport in history of Iran....

i am not amazed by justification some suggest for these failures..
No need looking to the past record focus on next games ( as if they are no relation between the two)
We Iranian are unappreciative , negative... not satisfy
We are no good , we are not worthy , don't deserve him..our fault
These has nothing to do with CQ , Its decline of football in Iran...
and most brilliant justification....
This might be good , he should lose more that may lead to a revolution and regime change......
Indeed we should reward him bringing about regime change
All because man failed and lost to Lebanon and Uzbek ...

No wonder why Mullas stay in power

[Doctor DOOM]

^ not to mention: "he's come to get 1-3 more points than 4 years back"

[Martin-Reza]

AW: IRAN - UZBEKISTAN - WCQ (Nov 14th)

That's exactly his job. We had 11 points last time and needed 12 for playoffs and 13 for direct qualification. Also now, with 12 points we would be in playoffs and 14 would probably see us through.

We have 7 points now and three matches to go.

[Doctor DOOM]

That's exactly his job. We had 11 points last time and needed 12 for playoffs and 13 for direct qualification. Also now, with 12 points we would be in playoffs and 14 would probably see us through.

We have 7 points now and three matches to go.

that's his job?
how do you know?
did he tell you?
he phoned you or emailed you?
did you have him for dinner or did the bugger invite you at the bloody signing ceremony?

I see you have started your "excuse-machine" once again and behaving like a good disciple to the coach, no matter what he's done or how wrong the issues. lol

so first it was "give him time. dont expect quality performances" even if it was a whole year.
next the bar was lowered from that and it was "dont expect too much or sensible strategy or good football. he's here to take us to the WC"
now, the bar is lowered even further "he's here to make 1-3 points more"
I wonder what your excuse machine will fabricate by next match-day "hey we won in uzbekistan" or "hey, he is a world famous coach and we shd be thankful that he even accepted Iran's offer" !!!!

lol. the chap isnt able to KEEP HIS OWN WORDS/PROMISES. let alone actually add to what we had!


but I have long given up on people who follow such line of thought. each person has a certain standard. I accept it.
some are happy with mediocre levels and mediocrity. Some want more and want to see quality.
some get satisfied with the least bit of results. Some are hungry to go further.
That's human race and we're all different



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btw, do the math buddy.
even if we get 14 we are still in the soup as uzbeks are better placed than us and even if they lose to korea (and chances are they wont. they have as much chance of getting a draw as us. so if you give us that probability, then they have it too), we will have to wait until the final seconds of the qualifiers to see if qatar can shave off something in tashkent. and seeing how they beat qatar IN QATAR, only a fool will give qatar more than 10-15% of chance

so we both would be at 14 but due to the moronic defensive mindset and gutless behavior, we will be behind due to lack of goals scored!!!


unless you think the team and the line up that has managed to score a grand total of 2 goals in 5 games can suddenly score shitload of goals in 2 games!!! and I do mean shitload, because I know uzbeks will rape lebanon at home and will score a few against qatar too. at the same time I really doubt skorea can score more than 1 or 2 against them without getting any in return.

[St_Mark]

^
Reason to have Queiroz has been twofold. WC qualification and improve quality. That has been all along expectations of IFF and ultimate employers Iranians (fans). This has been expressed and understood from day one till now . One does not need to see a contract necessarily ,just need to listen or read IFF or Queiroz statements and concerns about going or failing to go to WC .
Iranian wont care how much point he get if Iran failed .