IRAN - UZBEKISTAN - WCQ (Nov 14th)

[maij]

I've heard such stories ever since he came. Either it's bullshit, or the fact CQ's still here in a (from European view) not respected job without (regular) payment tells us a lot about his character.

I don't understand what and how you categorize stories of facts as bullshit , I guess you are selective in what you want to believe, but that does NOT mean that the event did not happen , because you don't like that event. The whole country is suffering form shortage of hard currency , obviously you are not up to speed with that. Some airlines stopped the services to Tehran , because their revenue can only be in local currency and not dollars. Anyway , it is a long story and I am not prepared to go into complicated economy lecture.

Agreed - if it was June or November 2013 and we would have failed. We didn't, we're just in a more challenging situation than we wished for. One of the major advantages of having CQ, besides football knowledge and a professional approach to the whole campaign, is now about to pay off - his name. Any Iranian coach would have been fired in this situation - and I don't think it would have been the correct thing. .

It is exactly this point you mentioned (highlighted) that is the basis of my argument and great doubt. His so-called Football knowledge and a professional approach ( which BTW I have no argument against) has done this Team Melli jack shit ! Like you , I was over the moon when Queiroz signed, it was also a moral victory against all the doubters who claimed that a respectable coach would not be interested to come to Iran. It was truly a great victory. However , for whatever reason(s), and spare me the arguments to why or what , this world renowned coach has FAILED to deliver so far. In fact with the credentials he carries , the results and performances ( they do play ugly and antiquated football in my opinion) is indicative of greater magnitude of failure.

All over the planet coaches are usually fired much too early, and one of the the few advantages we have left in comparison to our neighbours is more continuity, and CQ's name guarantees that and circumstances which allow him to continue at the moment.

What advantage? What advantage that you see , that I cannot Martin Jan. ? I am not an advocate of firing coaches like the Arabs do or Mr. Abramovic, but hey, you need to look at what the Russian Mobster has done to Chelsea first then pass adjustment on the disadvantages of hiring and firing at will.

An Iranian coach, even a legend like Daei four years ago, would lose all public, media and player support too quickly and become the scapegoat. Btw, I think with Daei at helm we would have had higher chances to win in Pyongyang back then than with Ghotbi - not because of Ghotbi's coaching qualities, but because he had to start from scratch whereas Daei had an actually functioning team developed already. But probably the pressure on Daei would have been to big from all sides, because his coaching CV was not as impressive as CQ's. A sad thing we unfortunately have to accept.

I have no argument against that , but that proves my suspecion that the Iranian fans culture and knowldege , is NOT exactly what one categorizes as great, it is in fact as crappy as the football they watch...Who said that we have civilized informed supporters base?
As far as accepting this , I am sorry that I do not agree with you. I do not accept ridicule be it said by one person or a million.

What you describe as bad thing, namely people not blaming CQ so much as they would with an Iranian coach, could turn out as a major advantage. His authority stays intact and that allows him to properly continue.

So fact is, we are short of a couple of points, but it's far from over yet and therefore it would be a waste to prematurely end a project we can not set up again in the next decade already.

Hmmmm...there is a lot of counter argument that I can provide. Unfortunately , I am not able to indulge deep into details , maybe some other time.
BUT...If you are implying that I said we have to fire or get rid of CQ at this stage , you are mistaken. That is not my argument , and do not even wish to discus that. My argument is about the poor delivery of the highly paid coach , so highly paid that he is becoming a great burden on the finances of the federation who has to beg the government for handouts !!!!

[maij]

^ majid joon, our martin seems to be a great fan of ferdowsi and shahnameh ... particularly the event of rostam and sohrab's battle, and more precisely the famous "nooshdaroo pass az marge sohrab".
I remember him saying this on countless occasions before too. saying we shd wait for failure and only THEN we act or chastise the chap!!!! as if once the damage is done then we can grill and that grilling will somehow turn the clock back and we can make changes to history (or maybe martin will do a superman and fly backwards around the earth and go to the date his coaches f**k up and ...)!!

I know one thing. I will never want to be in the same car with him driving. because if we take a wrong turn, he will not stop or turn around and will press on till we bloody fall off a freaking cliff. then maybe the guy (or his ghost) will say "oh, maybe we were wrong"!! ... or maybe not. so far I havent seen admission of wrong even when everything pointed towards that.

sorry mate, I am not built like that. I would like to correct things BEFORE they get worse or ultimately fail totally. if there is a chance, no matter how small, that with a reversal we could avoid failure, I would take it.





and lol. he says the "advantage" of CQ is his name. I say that is a major disadvantage as now, with such a famous "name", fools like kafashian will behave like utter obedient, subservient blind idiots who think "names" will do the trick.

such thought are so utterly wrong and foolish that they arent even funny anymore. if NAMES did the job, then we wouldnt be in this shitty situation and saudi (with raijkard, a MUCH BIGGER NAME than CQ) would have qualified for this stage and perhaps would have already qualified for the WC, and uzbeks would have been rock bottom with their no-named young coach and ... etc etc.
I can come up with a gazillion examples that NAMES DONT MATTER. but I know it will fall upon deaf (and very subservient) ears whose priorities are not Iran, but saving the arse of some highly paid, low performing coach!

Right on the Que , Peyman Jan.

We are talking about Reactive and Proactive and this is precisely one of the major subjects that I will be delivering in a couple of weeks for a course/workshop. In our business, Reactive means the possibility of great damage to people and property not to mention loss of life which is simply the greatest of all disasters.

Professionally , I have always been trained, coached and channeled toward being proactive professional who looks for signs of weakness or failures and do something about it to prevent it reaching a critical stage or critical mass, not wait for it to happen then count the cost. It is too late then. No clock has been returned back to fix such disaster.

[Paradigm]

Breaking news... Zico quits the Iraq job:

RIO DE JANEIRO, Nov 27 (Reuters) - Zico quit as coach of the Iraqi national team on Tuesday after little more than a year in the post, saying the country's soccer association had failed to fulfill the terms of his contract.
The former Brazil captain's resignation comes with Iraq still battling for a place at the 2014 World Cup finals.
"I would like to inform via this website that I have sent a communication to FIFA ... and to the Iraq Football Association declaring that I consider my contract to be void due to the IFA's failure to abide by its terms," he said on his website (www.ziconarede.com.br)
"I will provide further details shortly."
Iraq are third in Group B in the fourth phase of Asian qualifying with five points from five games, trailing second-placed Australia only on goal difference. Japan lead the group on 13 points.
The top two teams qualify directly for Brazil in 2014 while the third-place team goes into a playoff system.
Zico is widely considered one of his country's finest players but has refused to coach in his homeland, saying the pressure is too great.
Instead he has plied his trade abroad, most notably in a four-year spell with Japan, who he led to the 2006 World Cup and won the Asian Cup in 2004.
Since then, he has coached Turkish club Fenerbahce, reaching the Champions League quarter-finals once and Greek side Olympia***.
Zico made his debut as Iraq coach against Jordan in September last year. He has been in charge for 21 games, with 10 wins and six draws. Iraq have played home matches in Doha for security reasons. (Editing by Peter Rutherford)

[maij]

Anyone illusioned about Queiroz effect on Team Melli, should really read what Mohammad KHAKPOUR thinks about it HERE


Khakpour does not need any introduction from me. so make your own jusgment.

[Paradigm]

So looks like Iran has tried several head coaches since Germany '06 and none have been really successful.

[Doctor DOOM]

Right on the Que , Peyman Jan.

We are talking about Reactive and Proactive and this is precisely one of the major subjects that I will be delivering in a couple of weeks for a course/workshop. In our business, Reactive means the possibility of great damage to people and property not to mention loss of life which is simply the greatest of all disasters.

Professionally , I have always been trained, coached and channeled toward being proactive professional who looks for signs of weakness or failures and do something about it to prevent it reaching a critical stage or critical mass, not wait for it to happen then count the cost. It is too late then. No clock has been returned back to fix such disaster.

yeah, we have similar stuff in our field too. preventive medicine and curative medicine.
more to the point, they say PREVENTION is better than cure.
not exactly the same thing as here (martin's statement) as he allows the failure to happen and then he agrees to act or condemn!!! that's like allowing the bloody patient to die and THEN saying "bad doctor. bad, bad doctor" !!!!

what we have been taught is PREVENTION shd take precedence. that means at the first signs of failure or things going wrong, we shd act and make sure things dont escalate or get worse, which may end in more dire circumstances and even disease setting in.

right now, at TM I think we're past the prevention opportunity. that was right after the qatar game in azadi, where we lost two precious points at home and still hadnt seen any palpable quality improvement in TM performances.

now, after the loss to lebanon and it spread wider after our loss to uzbekistan, we've actually ALLOWED the disease to set in! is there a cure? I dont know. because we've allowed it to spread and cause further damage. but certainly by behaving like obedient "brand victims" (always submissive to "names" and brands), we're not going to reverse the damage.



maybe humanity is spared when martin chose to follow journalism instead of medicine. I shudder to think how he'd let his patients suffer and most probably die of simple common cold or sprained ankles ... ignoring or denying the signs of disease getting worse or more serious!

so here are two professions martin can stay away from: medicine and driving

[zzgloo]

Anyone illusioned about Queiroz effect on Team Melli, should really read what Mohammad KHAKPOUR thinks about it HERE


Khakpour does not need any introduction from me. so make your own jusgment.

majid e aziz...
I have always made comments on this subject...and tried to link our football to our politics...just like Khakpour.....
It is very ridiculous,to expect our football to florish,while everything els, " suffers badly " in our country.
I understand, some have said," we just can n't let go of football,as football lovers "....but.......one may say,if they ( the government ) uses Football against us to passiffy people.....why can n't we use the football,against them also ?....
What Khakpour is doing,is exactly what all of us should do !.......let the propaganda work against the blood sucking regim.
We the football fans.....are not stupid to be taken advantaged of !...nor is Football more important than our country !

[Doctor DOOM]

http://footballitarin.com/video_page.php?id=3405

I liked rahimi's views on lack of accountability for CQ and failure of the IFF to make sure all IRAN's rights are looked after and ensured.
although I may correct the TM-Club relationship. all clubs serve TM (not the other way round). But I agree there is no need for long-winded rest periods for clubs just for a friendly that the coach obstinately refused to use any main players and after that, refused to use any of the tested players in the official games. but that's a coaching failure more than TM-CLUB relationship.



btw, the end was hilarious when shafie was forcing rahimi to assess and grade the IFF's performance. "agha ye nomreh bedeh." tafreh from rahimi. "agha jan, nemikhai nadeh" ... hahahahaha. priceless. only shafie can conduct a TV program in this manner.