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heres my question, wat do these names have in common:
Arash Borhani (Pas - SS)
Pejman Montazeri (Foolad - SS)
Ali Hamoudi (SS Ahvaz - Mes - Foolad - SS)
Farzad Hatami ( Sepahan - Saba - Teraktor - SS)
Hossein Kazemi (Saipa - SS)
mehdi amirabadi (Saipa - SS)
reza enayati (abu moslem - SS)
siavash akbarpour (fajr sepasi - SS)
mohammad nouri ( sepahan - saba - PP)
hossein mahini (esteghlal ahvaz - zobahan - PP)
alireza noormohammadi (Zobahan - rahahan - PP)
hadi nowrouzi (damash - PP)
reza haghighi (fajr sepasi - PP)
Originally posted by siavasharian -
^^ I guess you're up to the point that all those players signed with the two Tehran giants and experienced a sharp drop in form there in comparison to the performances at their previous clubs?Comment
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alright I understand the list but I would disagree with a few of them, I think that Madanchi played some of his best football not only at Fajr but also at Persepolis, it wasn't Persepolis that ruined him it was that soosk-mal khor team that he went to (because of money of course), and I think Haghighi has been playing well in Persepolis, but otherwise I agree with a lot of the other people on you list, most of them have noticed a downturn in fitness, performance, and motivation which is truly a shame because they could have all been spectacular playerssunt lacrimae rerum et mentem mortalia tanguntComment
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1- you might want to rethink some of these names (in red) as their form isnt anywhere near what they were BEFORE their joining.
2- also a couple more are seriously open to debate
3- not to mention another couple who arent really much to reckon with anyway, ... even at their best days (like nowrouzi, noormohamadi, ... )
Originally posted by yashar_fasihnia View Post
However, in all fairness it shd be said that there are some cases where the player has retained their top form and one cannot deny that (like borhani, enayati, mahini, montazeri). However there are more ruined players than reverse as the names in the original post are just off the top of my head. If one sits and goes through each season, we'd see plenty more.
what many people mistake is they base their opinion on TM appearance as if until that moment the player didnt have the quality!!! little do they know most of TM call ups (under some coaches more pronounced, under some less admittedly) are influenced by the players' joining of these two teams. granted, the horror of the days the TM was split (equally!!!) into two sections of pp and ss players is behind us. But even today we see much of that factored in. perhaps simply because these players are more in the face with media and rags' coverage, IRIB's (until a year or so ago) limiting their broadcast to these teams' games only, ... etc etc etc. But none of that means the player didnt possess the same quality (or more) before joining these two. Akbarpour, Madanchi, ... being examples of this.Comment
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So ,it appears Khalatbari was smart to avoid playing for Tehrani teams....Comment
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the same can also be said about ur list having some debatable names such as meydavoudi who overall did well for SS and some others who werent exactly worldbeaters before moving to tehran either such as kianosh rahmati, mehdi shiri, amin manuchehri,,,,Originally posted by Doctor DOOM View Post1- you might want to rethink some of these names (in red) as their form isnt anywhere near what they were BEFORE their joining.
2- also a couple more are seriously open to debate
3- not to mention another couple who arent really much to reckon with anyway, ... even at their best days (like nowrouzi, noormohamadi, ... )
However, in all fairness it shd be said that there are some cases where the player has retained their top form and one cannot deny that (like borhani, enayati, mahini, montazeri). However there are more ruined players than reverse as the names in the original post are just off the top of my head. If one sits and goes through each season, we'd see plenty more.
what many people mistake is they base their opinion on TM appearance as if until that moment the player didnt have the quality!!! little do they know most of TM call ups (under some coaches more pronounced, under some less admittedly) are influenced by the players' joining of these two teams. granted, the horror of the days the TM was split (equally!!!) into two sections of pp and ss players is behind us. But even today we see much of that factored in. perhaps simply because these players are more in the face with media and rags' coverage, IRIB's (until a year or so ago) limiting their broadcast to these teams' games only, ... etc etc etc. But none of that means the player didnt possess the same quality (or more) before joining these two. Akbarpour, Madanchi, ... being examples of this.
to succeed in tehran doesnt only rely on the club but also the player and his attitude as well.. many of them come insite they know the stiff competition they are going to face and the extreme pressure and exposure from media,,, its a decision they make and sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesnt.. its the same in international football as well.. big clubs by young talents, sometimes they are a hit, sometimes a failure but that doesnt mean its always the clubs fault..
we can see it from another angle, that in tehran, they have a higher chance of making it to the next level by playing in international tournaments, having a higher chance of playing in TM and facing stiff competition which will either make them, or break them and they have to go back to the small pond where they can be a big fish like mehdi shiri, maziar zare, misagh memarzadeh... its not like these would become great players if they didnt move to tehran. its just that they didnt have the right qualifications to become a top iranian footballer by iranian standardsLast edited by yashar_fasihnia; 03-12-2013, 09:54 AM.Originally posted by siavasharianComment
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^ 1- Meydavoudi-
if he was doing well, why was he let go? was he scoring goals? how many did he score in his last season at ss? I think we both know the answer to this one.
2- Mehdi Shiri-
he was the one-man team in bargh who carried the whole team on his back. he was creative, quick and very much at the top of the game. So much that many wondered why he wasnt called to TM (which I guess forced him to join the tehrani teams to finally get what he deserves)
3- amin manouchehri was scoring goals quite regularly even when saipa had the league's top scorer in their team. we cant compare him with the likes of hadi nowrouzi who havent done anything worthwhile in all their career
sometimes, players get lucky, and fortunately escape with a quick transfer. Gordan is a prime example. his stay at the swamp wasnt long enough for the rot to set in. and today, he is among the top 3 keepers in Iran again. The longer the players stays, the deeper the rot penetrates him!
I liken it to cancer. the sooner you act on it, the better the prognosis and chances for the victim to rebound. but the longer you take to act, the deeper the spread of cancerous cells that eventually will be too far spread to have any prognosis (like badamaki, omranzadeh, ... etc)
ansarifard and haghighi are of particular interest as they make the future of our TM. and I really hope they move on before the cancer spreads in them tooComment
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meydavoudi was doing well in SS until that long time injury. after that, he couldnt recover inspite of having so many chances last season. if u dont perform, u will be gone, irrespective of how good u were before and how talented u r. thats how all big clubs around the world work.Originally posted by Doctor DOOM View Post
yes, but again, just having talent is not enough to succeed in SS or PP. mehdi shiri failed in both SS and PP and any other team he went after bargh shiraz.
manuchehri was never an amazing talent, even when he was at saipa. he was an okay striker who had formed a good partnership with ansarifard and in a league where there are no even average asian level strikers and the best one is a 35 year oldie who keeps retiring from TM and keeps going to arab teams and coming back, manuchehri will be considered a prospect. but point is, at the end of the day, they have only so much quality to create a spark once in a while.
compare him to farzad hatami, how come farzad hatami is doing so well in the same team, and under the same management even though he too is young and is a new comer to Tehrani teams as well??
otherwise, u have the likes of jabbari, heydari, montazeri, mohammad nouri, who are all doing very well in the same tehrani teams.. becaase they can adapt and cope with their environment. they did well in all the teams they played in for previously as well for this same reason.
gordan too couldnt cope with the pressure or competition or watever his problem was... that doesnt mean its the clubs fault. it could be a problem with his attitude also.. gordan is the same guy who also punched the ball boy 1 or 2 years ago,, so yea,, he doesnt have the best of atittudes.. if he as a young iranian prospect who is regularly invited to TM cant compete with a 40 year old brazilian GK who is doing well in his first season in Iran, it clearly shows the problem is with gordan himself cos we all know nilson is no buffon yet he is thriving much better in the same team / environment but under more difficult / new / unknown circumstances..Last edited by yashar_fasihnia; 03-13-2013, 04:44 AM.Originally posted by siavasharianComment
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^ now now, ... I did consider hatami. But how long has he been at ss? not even HALF a season? shall we wait for at least another half season to decide on him? besides, just like manuchehri at saipa, hatami also hasnt (to quote you) "exactly set the world afire", has he?
- what was maydavoudi's goal stats at ss? because at ss-ahvaz for less than half a season (before he transfered out) was 10 goals in about 8-10 games.
and lets not make it as if there is no competition in other clubs and it only exists in ss/pp. the same Gordan was doing well until a game where he mis-handled a ball and it led to a goal. the problem with ss/pp (at least a part of it) is the fans also. the way they put undue and unjustified pressure on these two clubs to immediately perform and demand immediate results. this is one of the many ills of these two clubs. so because of fans' pressure poor Gordan was relegated to the bench whereas in other clubs, they'd have given him second chances to make up for the odd bad day (that all players, even messi, have).
but you have a point in "ss/pp buying top stars therefore more competition" which, I'd like to bring to light the following: because of this "buying players policy" they are forgetting a vital factor of player development ... which each season comes to bite them in the arse, as each season they are forced to fork out shitload of money for each of these "hirings" which has led to so many disgraceful court cases and unpaid wages/fees that has made them a regular visitor to the halls of FIFA's courts, threatening suspensions and generally bringing more disgrace and bad name for Iran.
That voracious hunger to buy-buy-buy is never tempered (except maybe when daei was at pp, to some extent) because they never think about the aftermath of such policiesComment
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hatami has actually set SS on fire... in half of a half season, he has scored more or less in every game. manuchehri did nothing in the entire first half of the season,,,hence its a fair apple to apple comparison of 2 new young strikers having a similar style of play and having more or less same amount of time playOriginally posted by Doctor DOOM View Post
meydavoudi i dont have stats but before his injury, he was a crowd favorite cos he was doing very well that SS gave him the number 10 jersey later..
and u think if nilson makes silly mistakes pp fans will let it go?
unfortunately youth academis are very much neglected and this is something clubs like ss and pp can be blamed for, but not the weak attitude or lack of quality of some of the prospects they boughtOriginally posted by siavasharianComment
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They all lack confidence to play in big teams. With the exception of one or two like Haghighi that did not belong to the list any way (Haghighi is recovering from injury and re-injury) ....Originally posted by Doctor DOOM View PostWe thank and support Mr.Kamran Delan for many years of dedication and service to Iranian Football Community.
Go IRAN!Comment
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They all poses confidence to play in big teams ....Originally posted by yashar_fasihnia View PostWe thank and support Mr.Kamran Delan for many years of dedication and service to Iranian Football Community.
Go IRAN!Comment
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How many footballers where bought by clubs such as Man U, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Chelsea, Arsenal, etc. etc. and brought over from lower ranked teams with high expectations but could not deliver!! Not saying that PP or SS are comparable to the aforementioned clubs from a professional club standpoint, but the pressures of performing for a club that has millions upon millions of fans across the globe is quite different then a club with 200K fans.
Therefore it could also be said that the majority of our footballers are unable to cope with pressures that come along with playing for big clubs. I do agree that this does happen more so in Iran then other "Professional" footballing nations, but Iran football and our footballers still have a ways to go to be considered professional.
On the same token, there are many others that have come to both clubs and flourished both domestically and internationally, because they step it up another notch!He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt, for he has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice. Albert Einstein
Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted, the indifference of those who should have known better, and the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most that has made it possible for evil to triumph.Comment
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The confidense required to play against top players can be obtained through different ways.
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1- Intelegence.
2- Experince.
3- Talent.
4-Psycological knowledge.Comment
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