Are we turning into a COUNTER-ATTACKING team?

[zzgloo]

If we had to catagorize the TM's style of play,under CQ...I would not calling it, " Counter attacking "....
A " Defensive " may be ......Defensive teams, have different agendas than counter attacking teams...as couter attacking teams, may plan to tempt the opposing teams to attack.....but, defensive teams, try " Not to recieve any goals "...as the most important task in game....obviousely, for such teams, the only avenue to score,will be counter attacking.
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Considering what TM is going to be up against in the WC....CQ's style, may be the wisest one.

[Doctor DOOM]

if it is a defensive one (playing with such a defensive formation against second and third rate asian teams), then I propose giving our ticket to uzbeks right away.

I dont want to see a wimp of a team represent Iran in the WC, where everyone laughs at us and makes fun of us for the team so scared shitless to park the bus for all its games as if they truly believe they dont belong to the WC!


However, he can turn that defensive team into a counter-attacking one which would be a threat to just any team.
which means he HAS TO have a solid plan (A and plan B) for offense.
NOT the one leaving it to luck and fortune where we just wait and wait and wait and wait, ... till someone from the opposite team makes a mistake.
what if they dont? what then?
are we going to sit on our arses, in a parked bus waiting for the ref to whistle?

absolutely shameful and disgraceful.

we might as well go out with our heads held high, even if we lose.No shame in losing to a better team in the WC. it's better than a disgraceful wimpy performance

[Paradigm]

Very simple... between now and next summer watch a whole lot of Spain clips, and try to learn the game from them. It's all about passing the ball/control/finishing. Watch Spain's equalizer here for a start (2:00 - 2:10).

By the way, where is Maij nowadays? Haven't heard of him in a long time!

[zzgloo]

if it is a defensive one (playing with such a defensive formation against second and third rate asian teams), then I propose giving our ticket to uzbeks right away.

I dont want to see a wimp of a team represent Iran in the WC, where everyone laughs at us and makes fun of us for the team so scared shitless to park the bus for all its games as if they truly believe they dont belong to the WC!


However, he can turn that defensive team into a counter-attacking one which would be a threat to just any team.
which means he HAS TO have a solid plan (A and plan B) for offense.
NOT the one leaving it to luck and fortune where we just wait and wait and wait and wait, ... till someone from the opposite team makes a mistake.
what if they dont? what then?
are we going to sit on our arses, in a parked bus waiting for the ref to whistle?

absolutely shameful and disgraceful.

we might as well go out with our heads held high, even if we lose.No shame in losing to a better team in the WC. it's better than a disgraceful wimpy performance

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payman jaan... CQ's style has been a defensive one....even before he got to Iran.....yet,TM's plan agaist two of the three opponant in WC has to be defensive......defensive first,only then hope for some counter attacks...although, perhaps not to the extend of nagative play we had seen from North Korea or Ghotbi against south Korea..but,nevertheless,the nidfield players will be asigned to back up most of the time...
I understand what you say about not liking to play scared and how it will look....but if we prefer it over a 8-0 loss ,is anothyer thing.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ why 8-0?
who said if we play a counterattacking game we'll concede 8?
based on what logic? what evidence?

why the fear tactics to justify the "defensive" attitude?
if we're resorting to fear tactics, why stop at 8-0? I'm sure I can try something similar:
I say why go to the world cup where we will most probably lose all 3 games by 10-0 (meaning GF=0, GA=30)? lets not go. pocket the money and tell fifa "we have a head ache and cant make it to the games, sorry"!

[zzgloo]

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Payman Jaan, if we think, Spain,or Brazil or Germany is much stronger team than we are,is that considered Fear ?
I respect your " fight with dignity " approach...but I beleiev, in final moment, always relaistic appraoches will be chosen.
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[Doctor DOOM]

^ Bro, just one question:
did you step out of your house today or yesterday?
if you did, I must ask; dont you know you could die (either walking on the road, or during driving or a plane falling out of the sky right on top of your head)?

[zzgloo]

Japan certainly,played like you suggest payman jaan.

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http://www.fifa.com/confederationscu...515/index.html

[Doctor DOOM]

^ ??????
how does one win games, without actually attacking?
I doubt we could even get an own goal from the opponents if we never attack them.



bro, to answer you, I could name many examples of nigeria, cameroon, turkey, .... etc as under-dogs who (I didnt say they were careless and reckless, but certainly didnt park the bus either) got results that for many years (sometimes 10-20 years down the line) we football fans remember and relish. games that remain in everyone's memory and bring respect for the underdogs (something we sorely & gutlessly let slip, against mexico in 06!!!).



I could also remind you we cant compare this weakened south korea to the likes of germany, italy, spain, ... etc and that, even against this weakened south korea, we basically did NOTHING PROACTIVELY in south korea and had to rely on PURE LUCK, and wait for the opponents to make a silly, improbable mistake so we could threaten their goal ONE TIME (during the entire game!!!), so we can hardly base any strategies on this game.
we might as well say we "plan to get lucky. our main strategy is luck"!!! does that even make sense?



if out of fear, we try ultra defensive football and park the bus, at best we'd be one of those teams that made up the numbers in the world cup that are IMMEDIATELY forgotten as soon as the first phase is done. hardly anyone other than iranians would even remember we played in the WC! and that is if we're lucky.
if unlucky, we might even get the tag of the team that played anti-football, boring and destructive one that would bring shame to all of us ... or most of us.


but the difference between "defensive" and "counter attacking" is that you do have a few strategies on attacking the opponents and if you continue to perform them, you might get the rewards.
as they say; NOTHING VENTURED, NOTHING GAINED

if our aim is so bloody low as to just make up the numbers in the WC, be tourists for 3 games, have fun and come back home, immediately after the 1st phase, then I suggest we dont go at all. we HAVE TO do something this time around. 4-5 points objective is a MUST.



anyway, we can plan better and form objectives better once we know what kind of group we're in.
we could end up in a group of death like germany, france, nigeria. that will have its own objectives.
But we could end up with spain, albania, congo. if we not aim to do something big in such a group, then we might as well give the ticket to uzbeks who may have the guts to carry out the needed

[zzgloo]

I would only agree for such appraoch against,the weakest team in our group...that may still very well be lot stronger than this South Korea, that ,as you saiid, we got lucky with...
..so. I wou;ld summerize our approach to be different in each game..perhaps.
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1- attacking football against The third team.
2-cautious,counter attacking football against the secound team.
3-Defensive football against the top team.

[Doctor DOOM]

how wld you play against spain? they're seed 1

[zzgloo]

how wld you play against spain? they're seed 1

Like they way North Korea plays.

[Doctor DOOM]

and that's why some of us are weary of ignomy. you may be satisfied with merely making a tick against the words iran and fifa 2014 in some record books. some expect more.

I picked spain because executable or not, at least the way to play them is (or shd be) well known. a tall, physical defense with quick pacy flank players to perform the counter-attack. especially down their right flank (our left) where a chap like khalatbari can create havoc with their slow defenders. The least is we would get a lot of freekicks given Pique's and Ramos' penchant for fouling pacy players.

so you see, unless we meet something like germany or brazil, on their peak day, we can afford to attack the seed 1 teams.
therefore we shdnt automatically opt for such a defensive strategy just because they are seed 1

[zzgloo]

Payman jaan...although you may be more technical than I am.....( to some extend )...yet, still,the over all assesment is more valid...
Spain, plays based on fast short passing game strategy......TM nither has the talent level, nor the speed, nor can it hanndle fast passing system of Spain.....it may be best, to back up, stay defensive,and defend with more compact formation in the back field...just like North Korea...in that way, short passing game is worth less and much easier for closed net back field to counter.......
as you suggested game plan...we just do not have the man power to carry such task.
( all said ,are IMHO,nothing more )

[Doctor DOOM]

to play a team one doesnt have to play LIKE them. You just have to know how they play and how to counter them.
so nobody's saying we must play like spain. But having watched spain and barca (whose style del bosque has adopted for spain) countless number of times, I am slightly more familiar with how teams counter them, what they use and how they use these tools.

and I did explain what these teams do to counter their style and sometimes even be successful in holding them.
but if you think the best way to play spain is to freely allow them to keep coming wave after wave with defenders (alba and albeloa) joining in from flanks, you'll be torn to shreds. the very least is you'll concede a truckload of freekicks. If you dont want to get thrashed, you HAVE TO put their defenders under pressure, especially down both flanks.


germany is a totally different beast though. They're the most dangerous team and the last team I want to be grouped with.
they are the COMPLETE team, with every tool possible available to them; pace, strenght, technique, tactical acumen, physicality, height, ....