Two major issues in today's game.

[zzgloo]

Too bad you are my best friend, otherwise I would come to LA and beat the hell out of you.
In a serious note, I see your point Soheil jan and I admit on that when we come down to left defence or Nosrati, Madanchi, Ka'abi,... but when it comes to Daei and Mirza who we have obviously at least 232158534 better players in our "zamin khaki" fields and time millions in our IPL and 6 on our bench, I just can't help myself to not kicking your butt.

Hajagha jan e aziz....
daei may be, but the secound chioce to mirzapour is far too inferior....our league is just not rich enough !!!...these alternative golies are just good enough for " Gol-koochik" football...................

[Hajagha]

Hajagha jan e aziz....
daei may be, but the secound chioce to mirzapour is far too inferior....our league is just not rich enough !!!...these alternative golies are just good enough for " Gol-koochik" football...................

How do you know that? Do they play goal-kochik in IPL? We have seen enough of Mirzapour in last 5 years. I bet my last dollar that you won't hear of Mirza in next 3 years in iranian football, not even in league 1. He is not a football player, any one who kicks the ball can see that.

[zzgloo]

I support Branko whole heartedly...as complaining is easier for some of you guys.....
Branko, with a less talented team,and inferior experince out coached number 4 team in the world on the first half...and as he had to change the strategy for the secound half, he decieded to go for the tie,after the minute 65...
It may have been a mistake, it may not have been.....it would have been possible.....
It is always, moama chon hal shavad asan shavad.........and it is not the falut of Branko if we have a shallow talented league in Iran,specialy when it comes to Golie or stricker,

[zzgloo]

How do you know that? Do they play goal-kochik in IPL? We have seen enough of Mirzapour in last 5 years. I bet my last dollar that you won't hear of Mirza in next 3 years in iranian football, not even in league 1. He is not a football player, any one who kicks the ball can see that.

haji jan......We all know, that he is a bit Goofy,and just not an intelegent player....but, what about his heart ? what about his hight ? what about his agresive nature over crosses..? what about his selfnesesness......
talebloo,and roodbarians, aside from not haveing international experince, they just not dareing enough......

[Hajagha]

The way you say number 4, like you really believe it.

I thought number 4 team is South Korea since the very same coach who you support, said so when we played against them. How many more number 4 we have?

Of course, the "formation" and "player choice" show itself in second half when the team is tired and can't fill the other's task. Rezaei was too tired to collect Mirza's blunder in minuted 75 after going up and down too many times bcz of non-existance of any forward to keep the ball up there to let the defence breath for a moment.

[Hajagha]

haji jan......We all know, that he is a bit Goofy,and just not an intelegent player....but, what about his heart ? what about his hight ? what about his agresive nature over crosses..? what about his selfnesesness......
talebloo,and roodbarians, aside from not haveing international experince, they just not dareing enough......

Yap, he has experience in WCQ blunder, AC blunder, IPL blunder, WAC blunder, Now in WC blunder. A good collection to sell.

mmmm, did you see Mexico's keeper size? How about Irish keeper size? mmmm How about the rest of the world's keeper size? "It's not the size that matters, it's how to use it." Don't believe me ask any female you see in the street.

[Doctor DOOM]

I support Branko whole heartedly...as complaining is easier for some of you guys.....
Branko, with a less talented team,and inferior experince out coached number 4 team in the world on the first half...and as he had to change the strategy for the secound half, he decieded to go for the tie,after the minute 65...
It may have been a mistake, it may not have been.....it would have been possible.....
It is always, moama chon hal shavad asan shavad.........and it is not the falut of Branko if we have a shallow talented league in Iran,specialy when it comes to Golie or stricker,

refer to post # 6 on the issue of ranking and all the rest of insignificant and irrelevent issues of fifa ranking.

and # 4 on the matter of who "out-coach"-ed whom.

[zzgloo]

I do nnot know why...but two of our intelegent members ( I mean it )..hajagha,and DD...all of the sudden think Mexico was a Bolony !!!..and the play of our team on the first half has made them arrogant !!....
We played well, we could have easy tied.....with mexico who was the POT A choice by FIFA, to lead the group...and not just by thier 4 TH rank in the world ,but by thier class !!!....
many things could have been different.......
do you gentlemen know what a difference it makes to change the whole straucture of the team,based on zandi and zare absence ?
Do you know, he had to use karimi differently because of that ?
Do you know, how much that will take away from the out put ?
....................
My dear frinds...lets support our team, and our coach.....do not give up so sooon,and already talk about 4 years from now.......
remember, we are still in it !!!!!
And Haji Jan.....I asked the ladies.....they said, all things equal...size matters !!

[Doctor DOOM]

zz jan, I dont know why you shd look at paper and numbers and pots , when all you have to do is watch the damn game to see this mexico was not the one we feared.

this mexico could have been beaten.

at least I suggest you look at the game and stop looking at numbers which prove absolutely NOTHING.

T&T and sweden ?
what .... the difference between their ranking must be 50-60 at least.
but they drew, with T&T one man short.
explain that ........... and 3 million other examples which do NOT .... and I repeat, DO NOT COINCIDE with these useless, empty "numbers" on the paper.

[smanhoobi]

Too bad you are my best friend, otherwise I would come to LA and beat the hell out of you.

In a serious note, I see your point Soheil jan and I admit on that when we come down to left defence or Nosrati, Madanchi, Ka'abi,... but when it comes to Daei and Mirza who we have obviously at least 232158534 better players in our "zamin khaki" fields and time millions in our IPL and 6 on our bench, I just can't help myself to not kicking your butt.

Haji joon. It is always a pleasure when my butt is kicked by you. . Right on my friend. There is one thing we dont agree on fundamentally. Thats it. I am all with you on the rest.

You see Haji jaan. You have coached a few times and at whatever level.
I ask you one thing. Consider haji joon that you have been selected as a coach. First, who has selected you as a coach? The answer is, ofcourse, not a whole nation, but a group of people who represent an organization who deals with these stuff.

Now Haji jaan. That organization who picked you as a coach is OBLIGATED to follow certain rules and budget. So, they come and check their options, use their knowledge in football, watch what they have in the bank, and finally they see you as fitting all of those factors, and you become the head coach. I think, we are on the same boat up to this point. It is inevitable in another way too. Meaning that a nationwide election does not take place in any country for the purpose of selecting you as a coach. Right? Now what we differ is from this point on.

So, finally, after a RIGHT or WRONG process, you are the coach. Now tell me what are your expectations? Let me list it for you as much as I can understand football.

1/ You expect that the selection has been made wisely and the way you see football is assessed and agreed upon.

2/ You expect that no change of direction and vision would be expected from you. Its because you think, you are successful and its that vision which gave you success and lead to your selection. So, as long as that is the case, you are fine with it and you will only change a thing when YOU see it necessary and NOT when Ali, Hassan and Hossein find it necessary.

3/ You also expect that as a head coach, you will have the freedom to SELECT what is needed to fullfill your expectation. You think that its actually the players who are ultimately the means that give you success. It does not matter how knowledgable you are, how good you may think. IF players are not there to execute your abilities to lead, your presence is not even needed. Therefore, in your selection you make sure of one thing:

YOU try to balance technical ability of a player with his tactical perception. Meaning that, if you have two players as such:

A Player: is very good technically, but does not listen or implement what you ask from him

B Player: is not really as good, but his incomplete technical ability is balanced of with his extreme conviction to execute what you need from him.

Then, in my opinion, and you should agree with me on this, YOU will go for Player B. There is no question in my mind that you will do that. Because if you dont, you ll be a coach who gives the destiny of his team to the hand of the performance of those in category A and you will have ABSOLUTELY no control over it when needed.

NOW. This IS the story of the occasional players you mention as needed. Ofcourse, not all of them. But i must say the majority of them. AND consider that this is ONLY you. There are close to a dozen million out there as you with various tastes and selections.

Haji jaan. Its very OK for you as a "fan" or "analyst" to make judgements about a coach or a player and their attributes. BUT, when it comes to a place where YOU are behind the stearing wheel, YOU WILL act exactly in the same way as Branko acts. If you do anything other than that, you are just another Mayeli Kohan".

All the above is not meant to say that Branko's vision, Daei as a player, Karmi as a midfielder are RIGHT or WRONG. But it is an attempt to let you know, you should put yourself in their shoes when you make comments as such. This is YOU as a FAN. But what they do is their JOB. The way both works is very very different from one another.

So what can be done so that we start efficiently? Easy. You push for fundamentals rather than details after the fact. Cause your push in details after the fact is called "interference" with ones job where we are not really qualified for it, and your push to correct fundamentals that leads to such mistakes is your "very right" as a countryman.

Dont get me wrong haji joon. Your opinion and comments are completely normal and its part of the discussion of fans. BUT, our culture is NOT ready for your comments as such. It gets percieved as facts that REQUIRES definite implementation. I am using the word "YOU" too often. thats just paraphrasing and I mean not "YOU" but some fans and especially our unprofessional media.

I hope I could explain what the fundamental disagreement in this issue is between me and you. Otherwise, I agree with most of your opinions even in the issues regarding daei.
Thanks
Soheil

[leviathan]

حسن روشن:

واقعا فرصت ایده آل از کف رفت
نمره توصیه پذیری سرمربی ۲۰ است
کارشناس فوتبال کشورمان گفت:تیم ملی ایران بازی را به یک پروفسور باخت تا جشن ملی کشورمان شکل نگیرد.
"حسن روشن" تصریح کرد:تاکتیک تیم ملی به معنای واقعی صفر بود و ما تنها به دلیل تلاش و خلاقیت بازیکنان خود یک نیمه خوب بازی کردیم، اما در نیمه مربیان فهمیدیم چه کارهایم و سرمربی مکزیک در کمال خونسردی بهترین تعویض ها را انجام داد و با بستن جناح راست ما که تنها نقطه قوت تیم ملی ایران بود نفوذ از جناح چپ را در دستور کار قرار داد و به پیروزی رسید.
وی افزود: تیم ملی ما توان ۶۰ دقیقه بازی تحت فشار را دارد و یک تیم ۹۰ دقیقه ای نیست؛ اطمینان دارم مقابل آنگولا هم بیش از این به مشکل بر میخوریم چرا که از نظر فیزیکی توان مقابله با آنها را نداریم.
روشن تصریح کرد: میرزاپور را همین امروز باید کنار بگذارند؛ اگر چه مقصر اصلی شکست ما نه او بود نه دایی؛ بلکه برانکو بود. بارها گفته ام که او مربی نیست بلکه آدم با شخصیت و خوبی است که نمره توصیه پذیری اش ۲۰ است.
وی ادامه داد: حیثیت و آبروی یک ملت را به یک روانشناس سپردهایم که او هم از دادکان و اطرافیانش حرف شنوی کامل دارد، یک کور هم می دانست که باید دایی را تعویض کند و به خطیبی ، کاظمیان و برهانی میدان بدهد، اما برانکو جرات این کار را نداشت. البته این تیم ملی ایران بود که باخت چرا که برانکو با حضورش در جام جهانی پیروز شده و دیگر چیزی برای از دست دادن ندارد.
روشن تصریح کرد: واقعیت فوتبال ما و تیم ملی را یک کودک شش ساله هم می داند، اما برانکو نمی داند و البته خودش را به ندانستن می زند به هر حال باید تنها باید افسوس خورد... واقعا فرصت

my thoughts:

1-i feel the same way as hasan roshan ,we lost a golden opportunity!

2-in second half ricardo saw iran attacking from right side only and closed the blood line to game's equlibrium.

3-They also saw big gap where daei and karimi were not running and capitalized on that too.

4-mirzapour is not world cup ready and never will be(sorry mirza)use roudbarian...we have a good defence..all we need at next game is a goalie to kick properly.

5-karimi should play on second half only ...and in his own position .

6-The formation 5-3-2-1 does not work for our team change to at least 4-4-2 or 4-3-3.

7-all of Our Defenders need to cover man to man and not zone defence.
8-Don't use nosrati as starter in next game.

9-start with shojaei in next game..

10-pull out tired or inactive players immediately.

lastly i hope zandi gets ready we need him on the left side

[Hajagha]

Haji joon. It is always a pleasure when my butt is kicked by you. . Right on my friend. There is one thing we dont agree on fundamentally. Thats it. I am all with you on the rest.
You see Haji jaan. You have coached a few times and at whatever level.
I ask you one thing. Consider haji joon that you have been selected as a coach. First, who has selected you as a coach? The answer is, ofcourse, not a whole nation, but a group of people who represent an organization who deals with these stuff.
Now Haji jaan. That organization who picked you as a coach is OBLIGATED to follow certain rules and budget. So, they come and check their options, use their knowledge in football, watch what they have in the bank, and finally they see you as fitting all of those factors, and you become the head coach. I think, we are on the same boat up to this point. It is inevitable in another way too. Meaning that a nationwide election does not take place in any country for the purpose of selecting you as a coach. Right? Now what we differ is from this point on.
So, finally, after a RIGHT or WRONG process, you are the coach. Now tell me what are your expectations? Let me list it for you as much as I can understand football.
1/ You expect that the selection has been made wisely and the way you see football is assessed and agreed upon.
2/ You expect that no change of direction and vision would be expected from you. Its because you think, you are successful and its that vision which gave you success and lead to your selection. So, as long as that is the case, you are fine with it and you will only change a thing when YOU see it necessary and NOT when Ali, Hassan and Hossein find it necessary.
3/ You also expect that as a head coach, you will have the freedom to SELECT what is needed to fullfill your expectation. You think that its actually the players who are ultimately the means that give you success. It does not matter how knowledgable you are, how good you may think. IF players are not there to execute your abilities to lead, your presence is not even needed. Therefore, in your selection you make sure of one thing:
YOU try to balance technical ability of a player with his tactical perception. Meaning that, if you have two players as such:
A Player: is very good technically, but does not listen or implement what you ask from him
B Player: is not really as good, but his incomplete technical ability is balanced of with his extreme conviction to execute what you need from him.
Then, in my opinion, and you should agree with me on this, YOU will go for Player B. There is no question in my mind that you will do that. Because if you dont, you ll be a coach who gives the destiny of his team to the hand of the performance of those in category A and you will have ABSOLUTELY no control over it when needed.
NOW. This IS the story of the occasional players you mention as needed. Ofcourse, not all of them. But i must say the majority of them. AND consider that this is ONLY you. There are close to a dozen million out there as you with various tastes and selections.
Haji jaan. Its very OK for you as a "fan" or "analyst" to make judgements about a coach or a player and their attributes. BUT, when it comes to a place where YOU are behind the stearing wheel, YOU WILL act exactly in the same way as Branko acts. If you do anything other than that, you are just another Mayeli Kohan".
All the above is not meant to say that Branko's vision, Daei as a player, Karmi as a midfielder are RIGHT or WRONG. But it is an attempt to let you know, you should put yourself in their shoes when you make comments as such. This is YOU as a FAN. But what they do is their JOB. The way both works is very very different from one another.
So what can be done so that we start efficiently? Easy. You push for fundamentals rather than details after the fact. Cause your push in details after the fact is called "interference" with ones job where we are not really qualified for it, and your push to correct fundamentals that leads to such mistakes is your "very right" as a countryman.
Dont get me wrong haji joon. Your opinion and comments are completely normal and its part of the discussion of fans. BUT, our culture is NOT ready for your comments as such. It gets percieved as facts that REQUIRES definite implementation. I am using the word "YOU" too often. thats just paraphrasing and I mean not "YOU" but some fans and especially our unprofessional media.
I hope I could explain what the fundamental disagreement in this issue is between me and you. Otherwise, I agree with most of your opinions even in the issues regarding daei.
Thanks
Soheil

I see your point, however the matter is not "black and white" as you described. We made a decision and should live with that till the end of WC, then we can change it by a nice kick to the butt of Branko.

[Doctor DOOM]

Iraj jan, our great legend, Mr Rowshan said all that needed to be said.
perfect.

and I agree with you, except the zandi bit.
since we NEED a win and only a win, we need soimeone like madanchi who would be pacy enough to create chances for our pacy forwards ( I'd pick enayati and khatibi ).
a draw would serve us nothing !
might as well fight tooth and nail and go for a win, and eventually lose.
but at least we'd know we did go for the win.
( that's why branko is absolutely wrong for this kind of mentality and game )


god only knows when we are gonna get to the WC, and when we'd get such a group, with such teams, and when we'd have such stars at our disposals and .... !!!!
golden opportunity lost, due to our coach's lack of ideas, lack of guts, lack of adequate knowledge, .... !

as I and others have always said: this fellow's ceiling of expectations and dreams was to lead a team at the WC.
not in his wildest dreams he'd reckon doing this.
no wonder he bore all the insults, criticism, manipulations, interferences,.... from all over the place, just so he could sit on the bench at the WC.
no dignity, no shame, no grace , no self -respect !
coz he just didnt have the right mentality , and was way too small for the WC!

( hell, I'll be mighty happy to be in a grand prix, along with schummi or Alonso, or Raikonen. even if I get thrashed and come absolute last ! )

yes, this is the kind of guy we entrusted our TM's fate to .... and at such an opportune time and once-in-a-1000 years chance !!!

I just dont know why soheil jan and others are defending the fellow who made not one or two, but SERIES os mistakes to ruin our golden opportunity.