Don't Kick every one with the same stick!!! Teymourian was just awsome.

[Hajagha]

Regardless of the result, Teymourian and Nekonam showed they are fine DM's who deserve to play in best clubs, it will happen, sooner than later.
Too bad, Madanchi came with a strange task and no support, he could had showed some thing too. Borhani, I guess was brought for the left D, otherwise we had no one in there. He showed in that few minutes that he deserves a chance. baba, some one kidnapp Daei, or I don't know give him a sleeping medicine, some thing. let these kids play, they deserve and play much better.

[Amir H F]

Yes Teymourian impressed me very much, im sure he will get offers from european clubs after that performance.

[zzgloo]

No body is to blame,and thanks to Branko !!

We did a good job, and I am proud of our players....
.................................................. ...........................
For those who think otherwise,I must ask, exactly whom did think we were ?
....I know, all those naggings......
Daei is too old,,,mirzapour is no good,,,,no left deffense,,,,bad deffense....conservative Branko,,,,,,etc, etc, etc,,,,,,,,,
......
The fact of the matter is our football is an era of proffesional infancy,and we have reached a level of no commeing back...we are in the path of progress..
......If we compair the game of Portugal with Iran..we see we just do not have that level of skilled players,,,,our players have been chosen from a very limited league, and lower level competitions.....thats why, we had no choice but to go with likes of Mirzapour,and others....
Branko did a great job,,,,he, analayzed the mexicans very well....The reason we all agree,we had a good first half, was not because our players had more experince or better skilled....it was because, we were coached better than mexico.....no question about that.......
now, one asks what happened in the secound half ?...
And the answer is,,,,the strategy of branko could only work for a half , as the opponant's coach would figure out,and improvise ....so, Branko had to change the first half strategy........
( I would not even go into limitations branko had,because of our limited talents,or injuries to zare,and zandi,and consequences,such as role of karimi,etc, etc,,,,)
So, The change of strategy Branko chose was to defend......
Some may say,that was wrong...and some may say,what choice did he have?
Mexico,had figured our strategy,and our football is not strong enough to impose our football to mexico so long....
Borgetti, marquez, and normal mexican game were cripled........
Trinidad tobago holded the sweden defensively for the whole game....and According to Branko's thinking, 25 minutes holding of mexico should not have been so dificult...and we would have had a point..a point we would all been happy with......because, after all, we all previously had agrred that mexico was a better team........................
We played a good game....we made a mistake ( based on ,lack of international experincesas well as , not so good a golie )....
All, WC teams on thier past have also lost similar games in thier past....
But, in our case, it was our present...because after all, we are less experinced, ....but, we are growing !!!!and we are growing beautifuly....
...........
No blame...we all did our best....Branko did great too......he did the best he could have,,,,
We can not blame him to have particular vision.....any vision can be wrong some day.................
Please, lets take it easy on," I TOLD YOU SO ".....stuffs....
we have two more games, and even if we lose the other two, it is not the end of the world.....the point is, our football has changed, and we are on our path for the next stage of eveloution in football.

[faraz]

...No blame...we all did our best....Branko did great too......he did the best he could have,,,,
We can not blame him to have particular vision.....any vision can be wrong some day.................
Please, lets take it easy on," I TOLD YOU SO ".....stuffs....
we have two more games, and even if we lose the other two, it is not the end of the world.....the point is, our football has changed, and we are on our path for the next stage of eveloution in football.

ZZ jan...what a classy post...right until you say "Branko did great too"......

In the first half, he did just amazing. I thought playing the 4-2-3-1 was a GREAT formation against Mexico, especially with how well Teymourian and Nekounam played! But in the second half, right at the 45 minute mark, Daei MUST HAVE BEEN SUBBED FOR BORHANI! If we are going to defend, it does not mean we sit in our own half, and boot the balls up for a slow player like Daei to chase after. Defending on its own is no good...counter attacking is just great...but to do that, we need a SPEEDY player...preferably Kazemian...but Borhani would have done just fine as well. I am sick and tired of Daei. If he truly believes he DESERVES a starting role, he has been blinded by his success and the need to stay in the limelight is evident. It is embarassing to say the least. And if Mr. Branko does not have the guts to pull him out, then it is a real shame.

Also, as i've mentioned in another thread, taking out Karimi (even if he's 50%) is a mistake....

i'm frustrated, angry, pissed off...but at the end of the day, Mexico was the better team and deserved to win. They were better than us on paper, and better than us on the field.

well done to them...

but that still doesn't mean i'm not pissed off...we really could have gotten something from this game!

[yashar_fasihnia]

teymourian was iran's best player today!
he even played better than nekounam who himself had a very good game after a series of weak performances! if teymourian plays the same in the next 2 matches, i am sure he will get offers from decent european sides!
nosrati too was quite errorless and yahya was good as well!

infact, the weak players were the player we expected the most of:
kia, karimi, rezai(he had a good game, flawless infact except for that mistake which cost us dearly),daei!

i am wondering branko said shojaei will be the surprise of the worldcup, why didnt he sub him in then? specially in the second half where iran's midfield seemed lost, he could pull out daei and add another midfielder like shojaei to control the midfield!

[yashar_fasihnia]

ZZ jan...what a classy post...right until you say "Branko did great too"......
In the first half, he did just amazing. I thought playing the 4-2-3-1 was a GREAT formation against Mexico, especially with how well Teymourian and Nekounam played! But in the second half, right at the 45 minute mark, Daei MUST HAVE BEEN SUBBED FOR BORHANI! If we are going to defend, it does not mean we sit in our own half, and boot the balls up for a slow player like Daei to chase after. Defending on its own is no good...counter attacking is just great...but to do that, we need a SPEEDY player...preferably Kazemian...but Borhani would have done just fine as well. I am sick and tired of Daei. If he truly believes he DESERVES a starting role, he has been blinded by his success and the need to stay in the limelight is evident. It is embarassing to say the least. And if Mr. Branko does not have the guts to pull him out, then it is a real shame.
Also, as i've mentioned in another thread, taking out Karimi (even if he's 50%) is a mistake....
i'm frustrated, angry, pissed off...but at the end of the day, Mexico was the better team and deserved to win. They were better than us on paper, and better than us on the field.
well done to them...
but that still doesn't mean i'm not pissed off...we really could have gotten something from this game!

faraz jan, im equally pissed, but when i think of it, its not entirely branko's fault!

1)a series of individual mistakes cost us the game(the second goal which had a direct impact on our third goal). wat is branko supposed to do if a player(i think nekounam) gives an unnecessray back pass to mirzapour who is known for having weak shots? on top of that mirzapour makes a bad clearance! on top of that rezai (iran's best midfielder and 3 years experienced in serie A against adriano, zlatan, figo, trezeguet, etc week in week out) cant stop and clear a stupid header! all these mistakes happened at the same time, wat is branko supposed to do?

2)why do people sit and blame branko for the second half but nobody praises him for the first half? the first half was the real branko and his performance!
the seconed half (although branko could have made better substitutions), was affected by mane factors like removing karimi, unfit kia, yellow card of nekounam which made him be more careful and tackle less, our players specially teymourian and nekounam were getting tired, etc!

our midfield was only alive in the first half because of teymourian and nekounam. karimi and kia hardly did anything (except for one good cross by karimi and one good through pass by kia to kaabi). when teymourian and nekounam got tired in the second half, our midfield disappearaed! its here that branko should have subbed out daei and brought in another midfielder like shojaei to add to the midfield to help us regain control of the midfield again!

subbing out karimi was right! first of all, it was already mentioned karimi can play for 1 half explicitly, secondly, its not fair to risk a players career for just one game and more importantly, its better to have karimi miss 30 minutes of 1game rather than getting injured and missing 180 minutes of the next 2 games! besides, karimi wasnt that effective anywayz today because of his inujry and lack of practice im guessing.

klinsman left our ballack in the openning game! ericson left our rooney against paraguay! branko too is right to not field an injured or not fit player.

interesitngly, people come and complain... BRANKO PLAYS BY NAMES, HE DOESNT PLAY THE FITTEST PLAYERS! WHY IS NAVIDKIA THERE? and when he subs them out, HE IS FIRED FOR SUBBING OUT AN UNFIT PLAYER!

make up ur minds plz! be che sazi bayad berakhse belakahre?

[Dr.shark]

We did a good job, and I am proud of our players....
.................................................. ...........................
For those who think otherwise,I must ask, exactly whom did think we were ?
....I know, all those naggings......
Daei is too old,,,mirzapour is no good,,,,no left deffense,,,,bad deffense....conservative Branko,,,,,,etc, etc, etc,,,,,,,,,
......
The fact of the matter is our football is an era of proffesional infancy,and we have reached a level of no commeing back...we are in the path of progress..
......If we compair the game of Portugal with Iran..we see we just do not have that level of skilled players,,,,our players have been chosen from a very limited league, and lower level competitions.....thats why, we had no choice but to go with likes of Mirzapour,and others....
Branko did a great job,,,,he, analayzed the mexicans very well....The reason we all agree,we had a good first half, was not because our players had more experince or better skilled....it was because, we were coached better than mexico.....no question about that.......
now, one asks what happened in the secound half ?...
And the answer is,,,,the strategy of branko could only work for a half , as the opponant's coach would figure out,and improvise ....so, Branko had to change the first half strategy........
( I would not even go into limitations branko had,because of our limited talents,or injuries to zare,and zandi,and consequences,such as role of karimi,etc, etc,,,,)
So, The change of strategy Branko chose was to defend......
Some may say,that was wrong...and some may say,what choice did he have?
Mexico,had figured our strategy,and our football is not strong enough to impose our football to mexico so long....
Borgetti, marquez, and normal mexican game were cripled........
Trinidad tobago holded the sweden defensively for the whole game....and According to Branko's thinking, 25 minutes holding of mexico should not have been so dificult...and we would have had a point..a point we would all been happy with......because, after all, we all previously had agrred that mexico was a better team........................
We played a good game....we made a mistake ( based on ,lack of international experincesas well as , not so good a golie )....
All, WC teams on thier past have also lost similar games in thier past....
But, in our case, it was our present...because after all, we are less experinced, ....but, we are growing !!!!and we are growing beautifuly....
...........
No blame...we all did our best....Branko did great too......he did the best he could have,,,,
We can not blame him to have particular vision.....any vision can be wrong some day.................
Please, lets take it easy on," I TOLD YOU SO ".....stuffs....
we have two more games, and even if we lose the other two, it is not the end of the world.....the point is, our football has changed, and we are on our path for the next stage of eveloution in football.

how you cn sleep at night after posting such a post I just don't understand.
are you sure you are from Iran? and not arab or some thing??
we lost only because of branko
who picked the players for Iran??? Branko
who made the sube changes for Iran? Branko
who keeped daie in for 90+ min of the game when he could not run? Branko
who think the world of mirzapoor and has been working with him this whole time ? Branko
who put 9 deffensive players inour line up against mexico? Branko
and you think mexico is better then us ?????? mexico has problems wining against U.S. Costa reca T&T
Mecxico olny had 3 players from europe we had 5 and 4 of them played we are ont lower then mexico.
we have to stop playing deffensive FUC* deffencive and FUC* Branko we must start playing as we did in 98 we must start playing attacking football we are not lower then T&T and mexico is not stronger then Sweeden if T&T can play with 10 men and hold Sweeden with out their #1 goale in net then we can hold mexico with 11 men.
by the way just to let you know when a team is playing with 10 men as T&T did they always play deffence
we were not playing with 10 men we had 11 out their we did not need to play deffence.
if mexico is as good as you think they are then why don't they get contracts for euroupe and why is most of their team playing n he U.S.????????
taleebloo could have been put in net and daie could have been sub out if Branko wanted to play deffence not take out the man that was by him self taking care of 2 mexican players.
they had 2 players on karime the whole time he was playing it all went down hill for us when karimi got pulled out and their players got free.
that is not deffending that is called giving the game away.
who di it Branko
what did we learn here ? we learnd that Branko is a fuc*ing ass and those that support him do because they don't know any better then kiss the ass of europeans and put down all the is our own.

[Dr.shark]

faraz jan, im equally pissed, but when i think of it, its not entirely branko's fault!

1)a series of individual mistakes cost us the game(the second goal which had a direct impact on our third goal). wat is branko supposed to do if a player(i think nekounam) gives an unnecessray back pass to mirzapour who is known for having weak shots? on top of that mirzapour makes a bad clearance! on top of that rezai (iran's best midfielder and 3 years experienced in serie A against adriano, zlatan, figo, trezeguet, etc week in week out) cant stop and clear a stupid header! all these mistakes happened at the same time, wat is branko supposed to do?

2)why do people sit and blame branko for the second half but nobody praises him for the first half? the first half was the real branko and his performance!
the seconed half (although branko could have made better substitutions), was affected by mane factors like removing karimi, unfit kia, yellow card of nekounam which made him be more careful and tackle less, our players specially teymourian and nekounam were getting tired, etc!

our midfield was only alive in the first half because of teymourian and nekounam. karimi and kia hardly did anything (except for one good cross by karimi and one good through pass by kia to kaabi). when teymourian and nekounam got tired in the second half, our midfield disappearaed! its here that branko should have subbed out daei and brought in another midfielder like shojaei to add to the midfield to help us regain control of the midfield again!

subbing out karimi was right! first of all, it was already mentioned karimi can play for 1 half explicitly, secondly, its not fair to risk a players career for just one game and more importantly, its better to have karimi miss 30 minutes of 1game rather than getting injured and missing 180 minutes of the next 2 games! besides, karimi wasnt that effective anywayz today because of his inujry and lack of practice im guessing.

klinsman left our ballack in the openning game! ericson left our rooney against paraguay! branko too is right to not field an injured or not fit player.

interesitngly, people come and complain... BRANKO PLAYS BY NAMES, HE DOESNT PLAY THE FITTEST PLAYERS! WHY IS NAVIDKIA THERE? and when he subs them out, HE IS FIRED FOR SUBBING OUT AN UNFIT PLAYER!

make up ur minds plz! be che sazi bayad berakhse belakahre?

the answer to your (1)the people that you talk abut all start with nekunaam he should have been subed out merzapoor should not have startted we all know this. reza only gave up the ball once that is ok if merzapoor had saved the 1st goal by just putting out his leg the game would have been a tie if it was talebloo he would have put out his leg even I could have stoped that goal.
even I could kick the ball beter then merzapoor and to our player unlike merzapoor. now tell me who put merzapoor in net??? Branko
who has been playing with nekunam and is allowing him to pass back to merzapoor all the time ??? Branko
(2) 1st half Branko started with merzapoor and daie he saw daie did not do any thing out their he saw that merzapoor could not stop easy goals and he saw how kia, karimi, hashemian, each had 2 players on them as soon as they got the ball if he had done a good job then one would think in the 2nd half he would keep it up and make it beer by puting in talebloo, taking out daie and puting in borhane,taking out nakunam and puting in bakhteyarzade. did he not this means what happened in the 1st half had nothing to do with Branko Branko did not care.
mexico made 3 changes in the 2nd half what about us? who allowed our striker daie to walk around for 90+ min??? BRanko
who allowed mrzapoor to stay in the net and will play him in the next game ??? Branko
who is the cancer of TM ???? FUC*ING BRANKO
(3) kareme could have played all the 90 min he was not hurt if he was he would pull him self out just like the mecxican player did. we had a better shot at winning against mexico then portugal

[Spyder]

Yes I very much so agree. Andranik was great.

[yashar_fasihnia]

the answer to your (1)the people that you talk abut all start with nekunaam he should have been subed out merzapoor should not have startted we all know this. reza only gave up the ball once that is ok if merzapoor had saved the 1st goal by just putting out his leg the game would have been a tie if it was talebloo he would have put out his leg even I could have stoped that goal.
even I could kick the ball beter then merzapoor and to our player unlike merzapoor. now tell me who put merzapoor in net??? Branko
who has been playing with nekunam and is allowing him to pass back to merzapoor all the time ??? Branko
(2) 1st half Branko started with merzapoor and daie he saw daie did not do any thing out their he saw that merzapoor could not stop easy goals and he saw how kia, karimi, hashemian, each had 2 players on them as soon as they got the ball if he had done a good job then one would think in the 2nd half he would keep it up and make it beer by puting in talebloo, taking out daie and puting in borhane,taking out nakunam and puting in bakhteyarzade. did he not this means what happened in the 1st half had nothing to do with Branko Branko did not care.
mexico made 3 changes in the 2nd half what about us? who allowed our striker daie to walk around for 90+ min??? BRanko
who allowed mrzapoor to stay in the net and will play him in the next game ??? Branko
who is the cancer of TM ???? FUC*ING BRANKO
(3) kareme could have played all the 90 min he was not hurt if he was he would pull him self out just like the mecxican player did. we had a better shot at winning against mexico then portugal

1)"kenare god neshasti migi lengesh kon!"
yea, talebloo could save it, u could save it, my grandmother could save it, a 5 year old girl could save it, INFACT, anybody in the world could save it except for mirzapour!

2)for your information, making 2 substitutions immediately after the halftime isnt a very smart move, its very risky and u saw it in this game that he was forced to make a third sub just after 7 minutes which theoretically left him 40 minutes without any more substitutions left. wat would happen if their GK was sent off? wat would happen if one of their players were injured?
but, yes, lavolpe showed guts, he took the risk of changing 2 players at the same time to change the game and it worked. true.

secondly, daei should have been subbed out agreed. but not mirzapour, and definitely not nekounam. subbing out karimi was correct because of his injury and wtf? why would he wanna sub out mirzapour at half time?? mirzapour couldnt stop easy goals?? mirzapour has stopped many of the hardest goals like the header against bahrain, the one on one against roma, etc. infact, his main advantage over roudbarian and talebloo is his reflexes! wat are you talking about?

my opnion is that branko could have brought in shojae or another midfielder in the second half for daei when he saw that iran's midfield was lost to help control the midfield, etc!

branko made mistakes, no doubt about it, but thats all i can agree with u about because i cant blame branko solely for everything! in that case, u should also applaud branko alone for the very good first half iran played. Remember, it was the same BRANKO who chose the SAME players in the first half, the same BRANKO who chose the game tactics and the formation for the first half!

3)it came in the news that karimi could play for 45 minutes. first of all, wat makes u, sitting behind a computer so sure karimi could play for 90 minutes but the coaches and the doctors who are literally living with him for the past 1 month say he can only play for 45 minutes? Who should i believe?? hmm, tough decision
secondly, any smart person will know having a fit karimi for 180 minutes against portugal & angola is preferable over having an injured karimi against mexico for 90 minutes (or maybe even less if his injury would become severe before the game was over!)

besides, just because portugal has better players and better name than mexico doesnt necessarily mean
-First, portugal are better than mexico
-Second, iran will have more difficulties with portugal
for ur info, i think iran can play better against portugal because
1)iran has already learnt from many of its mistakes in the mexico game.
2)portugal doesnt play a closed pressing game, but rather an open 4-2-3-1 with lots of spaces for our players to move and create chances using their skills.

Ofcourse, this doesnt mean iran is stronger than portugal or iran will beat portugal. all im saying is, never judge a book by its cover. infact, i think irans most difficult match was against mexico because of many other external reasons like pressure, psychological status, injuries, first match of worldcup, etc.

[Doctor DOOM]

I must admit, teymoorian was truely a pleasure to watch.
excellent, brilliant performance as def mid.

THIS is the post he is most comfortable with, and we see how he performed.

playing him down the right side ( as he , himself has admitted ) just doesnt suit him, and reduces him to a bit player.

---------------

in today's game, apart from him, I was impressed by many others, especially the first half:
nekounam was the old fighting warrior we loved him to be.

pairing him with teymoorian as def mids ( shd the need arise to play 2 def mids ) is good.
teymoorian fits in far better than alavi or .... .


rezaei ( aside from his one silly mistake which led to the goal ) is another I was highly impressed with.
if only he had kicked the ball, instead of unnecesarily trying to hold onto it !!!

[zzgloo]

how you cn sleep at night after posting such a post I just don't understand.
are you sure you are from Iran? and not arab or some thing??
we lost only because of branko
who picked the players for Iran??? Branko
who made the sube changes for Iran? Branko
who keeped daie in for 90+ min of the game when he could not run? Branko
who think the world of mirzapoor and has been working with him this whole time ? Branko
who put 9 deffensive players inour line up against mexico? Branko
and you think mexico is better then us ?????? mexico has problems wining against U.S. Costa reca T&T
Mecxico olny had 3 players from europe we had 5 and 4 of them played we are ont lower then mexico.
we have to stop playing deffensive FUC* deffencive and FUC* Branko we must start playing as we did in 98 we must start playing attacking football we are not lower then T&T and mexico is not stronger then Sweeden if T&T can play with 10 men and hold Sweeden with out their #1 goale in net then we can hold mexico with 11 men.
by the way just to let you know when a team is playing with 10 men as T&T did they always play deffence
we were not playing with 10 men we had 11 out their we did not need to play deffence.
if mexico is as good as you think they are then why don't they get contracts for euroupe and why is most of their team playing n he U.S.????????
taleebloo could have been put in net and daie could have been sub out if Branko wanted to play deffence not take out the man that was by him self taking care of 2 mexican players.
they had 2 players on karime the whole time he was playing it all went down hill for us when karimi got pulled out and their players got free.
that is not deffending that is called giving the game away.
who di it Branko
what did we learn here ? we learnd that Branko is a fuc*ing ass and those that support him do because they don't know any better then kiss the ass of europeans and put down all the is our own.

dear Dr.shark......
You are mad, and disappointed....
And it has made you say things only out of emotions...
where ever I am from, lots more are from and they kept Branko, and our TM selection......where did you want to get players from?
It is immature to think Mexico was nobody,and Branko and TM's play in the first half has made you arrogant enough to think so....and why did you not say these things about mexico before the game ?

[Ali Chicago]

ZZ Jaan, could you answer one question?

I admire your commitment and independence ZZ but could you answer how come T&T with one million and Ivory Coast with a civil war and even Costa Rica have such a respectable presence in the world cup and after going to the dressing room in the half Iran's team comes as bunch of timid players with the philosephy of Bezan Zeeresh tactic?

I know you can blame Akhoonds and no system and lack of professionalisem which all are good points. But does Ivory Coast has better Federation than us? Does T & T has more money and system than Iran? It is not about anybody proving anybody wrong here, it is just a fact (in my opinion) that they came there and saw playing in the world cup with as an opportunity to show the world what they can do.
Our team did the same in the first half. But it seems after coming out of the dressing room in half time (probably thorugh coaching recommandation) Iran's team played like a bunch of timid and happy to get a draw team.

In life there are people that see an opportunity in every chanllenge and then there are people who just take the safe road and settle. I guess it is a matter of attitude. I prefer the first attitude.

[yashar_fasihnia]

I admire your commitment and independence ZZ but could you answer how come T&T with one million and Ivory Coast with a civil war and even Costa Rica have such a respectable presence in the world cup and after going to the dressing room in the half Iran's team comes as bunch of timid players with the philosephy of Bezan Zeeresh tactic?
I know you can blame Akhoonds and no system and lack of professionalisem which all are good points. But does Ivory Coast has better Federation than us? Does T & T has more money and system than Iran? It is not about anybody proving anybody wrong here, it is just a fact (in my opinion) that they came there and saw playing in the world cup with as an opportunity to show the world what they can do.
Our team did the same in the first half. But it seems after coming out of the dressing room in half time (probably thorugh coaching recommandation) Iran's team played like a bunch of timid and happy to get a draw team.
In life there are people that see an opportunity in every chanllenge and then there are people who just take the safe road and settle. I guess it is a matter of attitude. I prefer the first attitude.

trinidad has something called professionalism which iran lackS
most of their players play in EPL and in schandinavian leagues, so
1)they are more professional and are highly experienced on a high standard comapred to us.
2)they have better built, stamina and strenght which already adds to their muscualr builts because of their race

Also, mexico is a more dangerous team and overall a better team than sweden!
yes yes sweden has ljunberg & zlatan, but its the mexico team which is more cohesive, professional and dangerous than sweden. besides, zlatan is highly overrated and is extremely arrogant and selfish, he was one of the weakest links of sweden against trinidad. ofcourse, we shouldnt take away any credit from trinidads nice performance.