Iran vs. England match thread

[Ostad_Goosfand]

What do you mean "some"? I personally know at least one ex-college keeper who could do a better job. I know a few others who played pro in their small south or central American home countries, who could do better. There are many rec-league keepers with good experience who would have (at least) shown more activity on those shots.

He didn't even move on many of those goals. It's like he was scared, and mentally checked-out. I don't care about the situation, as a keeper (who is the heart of the defense and voice from the back), he has to be a totally different player. He isn't, and shouldn't see the pitch for the rest of the tourney. I'll take error prone but athletic and tough Abedzadeh over him, any day.

The national anthem is directly connected to the current regime, which they do not support. That's why. It's a form of protest. All understand, including the Iranian people, some of who think it's not nearly enough.

I am of the opinion we can and will beat at least one of USA and Wales. Fans and pundits of other teams do not understand that the lineup against England was.. awful, and losing Beiro was even more awful. I know CQ put that lineup out there on purpose with the idea of: "We will probably not get a result against England, so why not save half of our starters for the more important games against Wales and USA, since we can realistically beat them?"
That was the idea behind his lineup. Unfortunately, he didn't foresee us losing so badly that it affects our psyche too negatively, especially with all of the geopolitical rhetoric from Western news outlets, and the domestic unrest.

I don’t think he was saving players. If so why did he make 3 changes immediately second half? He just got the tactics wrong.

[oracle]

Don't worry guys
iran will go r16.
Viva salavat

[Scooter]

I don’t think he was saving players. If so why did he make 3 changes immediately second half? He just got the tactics wrong.

No.. clearly he didn't get his tactics wrong. He was having the team sit back deep and absorb pressure.

He made the subs at half because, as I implied, the game was getting too out-of-control. He didn't think England would be up that many, at half. So he made the mass subs to save face a bit and get something out of the game, even if it was a couple of goals.

You may not think it true, but 2-6 is far far better than 0-6, and not just because of goal differential. When Azmoun came on, later in 2nd half, the team had even more of a psychological lift. Well.. almost everyone on the team. The back line still played as if they were sleeping.

[Roozbeh-G2006]

Don't worry guys
iran will go r16.
Viva salavat

Did you watch the USA play yesterday?
I reckon they are capable of beating England
and putting at least 3 into our net.
Your CQ tactics may get us a draw against Wales if he is lucky.
But the humiliation of getting trashed 6-2 will stick forever.

[oracle]

Did you watch the USA play yesterday?
I reckon they are capable of beating England
and putting at least 3 into our net.
Your CQ tactics may get us a draw against Wales if he is lucky.
But the humiliation of getting trashed 6-2 will stick forever.

Yes I have watched all the games.
u.s was very impressive first half
But they couldn't finish them,
And tie
Sneaked iran back in the the wc.

My cq tactic WITH SALAVAT back at pfdc
Will take us to r16.
And once
We go r16 the 6-2 it will never be forgotten, but it will hurt less when we are in r16.

sorry about you not getting jersey lol

[Roozbeh-G2006]

Yes I have watched all the games.
u.s was very impressive first half
But they couldn't finish them,
And tie
Sneaked iran back in the the wc.

My cq tactic WITH SALAVAT back at pfdc
Will take us to r16.
And once
We go r16 the 6-2 it will never be forgotten, but it will hurt less when we are in r16.

sorry about you not getting jersey lol

Sod the jersey. A team that has been trashed 6-2
means it has a lot of holes. It is very unlikely
it will get to round 16. Moral is below zero. US and Wales
are a bit more confident against us. That extra confidence
will help them more in their game. You need more than
salavat mate.

[PSGman#19]

Sod the jersey. A team that has been trashed 6-2
means it has a lot of holes. It is very unlikely
it will get to round 16. Moral is below zero. US and Wales
are a bit more confident against us. That extra confidence
will help them more in their game. You need more than
salavat mate.

Mental is broken, I don't think we will recover from this trashing and Beiro injury. It is just too much for a team like Iran.
Don't need to make scenario, the result doesn't matter now. Just hope they will show a better performance, score more goals (we currently tie the number of TM goal scored in WC).

With some luck, we will get some nice transfer (I don't think but who knows). We will enjoy following our legionnaires in Europe, far from the toxic atmostphere "Scapegoat TM" become.

[Roozbeh-G2006]

Mental is broken, I don't think we will recover from this trashing and Beiro injury. It is just too much for a team like Iran.
Don't need to make scenario, the result doesn't matter now. Just hope they will show a better performance, score more goals (we currently tie the number of TM goal scored in WC).

With some luck, we will get some nice transfer (I don't think but who knows). We will enjoy following our legionnaires in Europe, far from the toxic atmostphere "Scapegoat TM" become.

Nice transfers? seriously?
no one will touch none of those players with a barge pole! Except of course
for Taremi and that would not benefit any Iranian club.
CQ fucked up so big that only once we come out of the
shock we will see the extent of it.

[PSGman#19]

Nice transfers? seriously?
no one will touch none of those players with a barge pole! Except of course
for Taremi and that would not benefit any Iranian club.
CQ fucked up so big that only once we come out of the
shock we will see the extent of it.

I was indeed thinking about Taremi but also Moharammi. The latter was crap but he can gain a nice transfer considering clubs rate more european seasons that "one shot WC". maybe Hosseinzadeh and Allahyar will have nice transfer if they don't fk up.

whether we qualify for second round or not, I don't think it would change our transfer situation much. Our current legionnaire (except those I quoted) may still play in Europe in the future but i expect their future clubs/league to be weaker than the current one. Btw I am still shocked Azmoun missed that 1 vs 1 (like against morocco).

Inside Iran, we have litterally nobody to offer to decent european clubs, 2nd round or not. Also, losing 6/2 in the first match is the worst thing as we will be labelled the 6/2ers like KSA has the reputation of 8/0ers and 5/0 in the opener.

[Keshwardoost]

Did you watch the USA play yesterday?
I reckon they are capable of beating England
and putting at least 3 into our net.
Your CQ tactics may get us a draw against Wales if he is lucky.
But the humiliation of getting trashed 6-2 will stick forever.

Pick pts vs wales TM classic win vs usa, wc is saved. Atleast for me. Doo dodo doo doo Iran! 😀

Also Taremi, might bang in enough goals in groupstage to be amongs tournaments top spcorers. Specially with better lineup resulting in better service.

Azmoun need to show why he is concidered top scorer in russia and TM, cant afford more wasted chances just go on power tactic wont do it, like the 1 vs 1 against england goalie. Half the net was open at the goalies left, roll it in like son did against beira in game vs korea, dont bang it like a penalty.

I said It before Azzie needs to watch videos of Romario finishes..

[Roozbeh-G2006]

Pick pts vs wales TM classic win vs usa, wc is saved. Atleast for me. Doo dodo doo doo Iran! 😀

Also Taremi, might bang in enough goals in groupstage to be amongs tournaments top spcorers. Specially with better lineup resulting in better service.

Azmoun need to show why he is concidered top scorer in russia and TM, cant afford more wasted chances just go on power tactic wont do it, like the 1 vs 1 against england goalie. Half the net was open at the goalies left, roll it in like son did against beira in game vs korea, dont bang it like a penalty.

I said It before Azzie needs to watch videos of Romario finishes..

Dadash it is established that for you and Kateb
and a few others WC was CQ all along. A win and a draw
would be the cream on the top for you guys.

[Keshwardoost]

Dadash it is established that for you and Kateb
and a few others WC was CQ all along. A win and a draw
would be the cream on the top for you guys.

Still support CQ change, imagine the chaos, instagram fights with fans etc at world cup with the surrounding pressure. It would be Qatar camp in june x 500 if we didnt change coach.

But even though i still support him i must be able to critisize his first half tactics. A win and a draw we are probably through to round of 16, as long as wales dont beat ingilis.

Skokic fans, CQ fans, Farhad Majidi fans.. in the end we are all first TM fans 😉
unsure about branko fans though but I count them in aswell 😁

[Roozbeh-G2006]

Still support CQ change, imagine the chaos, instagram fights with fans etc at world cup with the surrounding pressure. It would be Qatar camp in june x 500 if we didnt change coach.

But even though i still support him i must be able to critisize his first half tactics. A win and a draw we are probably through to round of 16, as long as wales dont beat ingilis.

Skokic fans, CQ fans, Farhad Majidi fans.. in the end we are all first TM fans 😉
unsure about branko fans though but I count them in aswell 😁

If I didn't support TM I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be pissed off.
I am not a fan of Skocic or a fan of CQ.
CQ in my opinion is not much better than Skocic. If Taremi and Co
liked Scko like they do CQ we would have probably got a better result.
You guys believe in Salavat.
You must also believe in nefrin and lanat as both are
of the same material for an unfair dismissal of a coach in favour
of a coach that got us trashed 6-2 our worst ever world cup
result!!

[orbicular]

No.. clearly he didn't get his tactics wrong. He was having the team sit back deep and absorb pressure.

He made the subs at half because, as I implied, the game was getting too out-of-control. He didn't think England would be up that many, at half. So he made the mass subs to save face a bit and get something out of the game, even if it was a couple of goals.

You may not think it true, but 2-6 is far far better than 0-6, and not just because of goal differential. When Azmoun came on, later in 2nd half, the team had even more of a psychological lift. Well.. almost everyone on the team. The back line still played as if they were sleeping.

Argentina's game against the Saudis today underscores the importance of not adopting past successful strategies as blueprint by future success. I really do not believe that CQ fielded that team because he thought a loss was a foregone conclusion and he wanted to get a point out of it. He most likely believed that the strategy used against Argentina, Spain and Portugal could be successful again. But these tactics against great teams sometimes work because of a few elements: the surprise factor, effective players to carry them out, and some level of disarray or instability on the part of the opponent. In 2014 and 2018, some or all of these elements existed. Against England, none of them did. Weeks and months before the game, people all over social media were harping on the idea that Iran's defence is hard to penetrate;that they're a great counter-attacking team and so on. It became a foregone conclusion that it would be a low scoring game and Iran might even eke out a draw. Everyone seemed to accept that notion except for Gareth Southgate.

But is it wise to assume that a coach of his caliber would not prepare to meet these challenges? And it is very clear that he had prepared impeccably. Besides, that approach might at times work against less physical and slower opponents (Argentina, Spain), but it probably won't be a recipe for success against speedy and physical teams with outstanding pacing strategies, espacially when their players are such great threats in the air as well.

[theworldgamer]

The loss was because of a mental breakdown due to pressure from IR and some undoubtedly unfair people in stadium chanting against Iranian players and coach (which was censored by both Qatar and IR in the game). It was neither tactics nor strategy.
I am more importantly extremely disappointed with some of the previous TM players who came out against TM such as #alikarimi and #mehdimahdavikia and #yahyagolmohammadi who are trying to pretend they are a hero. Really shame on them.
What did they do when they were in similar situation in the years they were playing for TM?
#alikarimi wore a green wristband to support Mir Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karoubi in 2010 WC preparation in Korea.
#mehdimahdavikia wore a green wristband to support Mir Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karoubi in 2010 WC preparation in Korea and was also the coach of TM Omid until recently in IR and got humiliated by TM Omid defeats. #yahyagolmohammadi has done nothin to protest when he was in TM and he is the coach of a sepahi/ hokumati team (Persepolis). Why has he not resigned? We will see what he does when his hokumati /sepahi team plays other teams in internal Iran league and judge him.
Really shame on these guys, even more than people who chanted against TM in the game (as those people would have probably been provoked by the likes of these TM legends!)
Having such great legends! as friends of TM, TM needs no enemies and there is really nothing the coach and the players can do (and it probably doesn't really matter).