CQ legacy right now and later

[tooleh khers]

Parking the bus is not as simple as it seems. Plenty of teams try doing it during the world cup and fail miserably; it requires knowing your role, when to press, when to back off etc....but my thinking is that the extra time would have been useful for conditioning (e.g. start enforcing strict dietary habits and exercise routines to ensure that these players can last for 90 min)

I am sure he did not mean that we park the bus successfully. Indeed we are one of those teams that do not park the bus with success for many of the reasons you mentioned.

[perspolis#1]

I don't mind defending your team and players as he should. I do question getting into a middle finger match with rude fans in the middle of a WC match. His focus should be on the game and players. We didn't hire him to teach adab to idiotic and rude fans. Save that for the press conference.

Maguire is constantly abused by fans and media in England. Not once has Southgate behaved this way in the middle of a match.

We can speculate but unfortunately, we'll never know the answer.

As for Maguire, hes been the source of headaches for me and some of his performances for United but when he got death threats for them, thats an absolute no-no. Apparently we are all ok and desensitized to that for a bunch of 20 something year olds.

As for CQ's reaction to that, hes emotional with a cost. I'm not sure how else a coach would approach the things going on with a better outcome given the toxic nature of our people's authoritarianism to be honest.

[Kaveh Ahangar]

I have always respected CQ's achievements in 2014 and 2018 but the Asian Cup in 2019 should have been a wake-up call for us.

We collapsed mentally against Japan in the semi-final and I think, collectively, we overlooked this in appointing CQ again.
What we witnessed on Monday, was again a psychological collapse. Influenced by off-field factors as well.

I think we should look to do better than CQ after this World Cup and need to shed the negative mindset in our approach to games.

[Karimi 8]

The only reason we have been able to compete with the likes of Argentina, Span, Portugual, Senegal, Uruguay, Chile, etc, is purely down to one man, and that is our coach. I don't know why this guy cared this much about a country he had no connection to. But he spent nearly a decade fighting every day for our players, and the fans, in the most difficult conditions. All with a goal to make Team Melli stronger, every game. He has flaws and has made mistakes, but he remains a footballing legend in our country's history. I think we can pull off wins against Whales & the US, and he will cement himself further in Team Melli history.

[mahestan]

So according to you Skocic did not have the caliber but played all the players any reasonable coach would?! Who has THE CALIBER? CQ?

Stop being dramatic. Skocic was a decent coach but he also had some questionable lineups, in addition to being stubborn on some necessary substitutions. I actually was in the camp of letting Skocic stay at the helm since he got us to the WQ. Firing Skocic and bringing CQ was not a move IFF should’ve done.

[O-ZoNe]

The only reason we have been able to compete with the likes of Argentina, Span, Portugual, Senegal, Uruguay, Chile, etc, is purely down to one man, and that is our coach. I don't know why this guy cared this much about a country he had no connection to. But he spent nearly a decade fighting every day for our players, and the fans, in the most difficult conditions. All with a goal to make Team Melli stronger, every game. He has flaws and has made mistakes, but he remains a footballing legend in our country's history. I think we can pull off wins against Whales & the US, and he will cement himself further in Team Melli history.

Let me play devils advocate...

Cq was compensated for his time at TM to the point he was one of the most expensive coaches at WC 2018.

He also may have progressed our football but he at same time has failed to maximize the talents available to him by playing a lone striker ultra defensive shape. Note mybpost above when it counted...his team's always crack under pressure in the tournaments he has been in charge. Not just crack they massively collapse.



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[Hosseini]

I understand where you're coming from, and you have the right to talk about this, but I don't think these conversations help the team right now at all. Save the discussions for undermining CQ after the WC. It's not like he's getting sacked mid group stage

[Karimi 8]

Let me play devils advocate...

Cq was compensated for his time at TM to the point he was one of the most expensive coaches at WC 2018.

He also may have progressed our football but he at same time has failed to maximize the talents available to him by playing a lone striker ultra defensive shape. Note mybpost above when it counted...his team's always crack under pressure in the tournaments he has been in charge. Not just crack they massively collapse.



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The defensive shape got us 4 points and almost out of the group of death. Every penny he has received is worth it in my opinion. I agree, sometimes it doesn’t work, like against England. Let’s see what we do against Whales, I think Carlos has a plan.

regardless one cannot overlook the impact he’s had on our football and players. Those same players he “isn’t utilizing” he helped develop and motivate to get to Europe. When he came in we had 1 played in Europe

[O-ZoNe]

I understand where you're coming from, and you have the right to talk about this, but I don't think these conversations help the team right now at all. Save the discussions for undermining CQ after the WC. It's not like he's getting sacked mid group stage

That's why I am suggesting we update our sentiments after WC. I'm not undermining him at all. We are allowed to highlight the pros and cons. It's part of sports. Ongoing discussions can be fruitful. This is part of of being a professional sportsmen. Look at what the pundits are saying. Look at the articles on various media outlets...far harsher than this thread will ever be.

The defensive shape got us 4 points and almost out of the group of death.

Exactly my point. With CQ it's always almost but never more. Almost won CAF championship. Almost qualified Egypt to WC. Almost got is to rd 2 in 2018. Always almost...

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[Hosseini]

All I'm saying is it's good to read the room a little bit. I know everyone is frustrated, but TM is getting attacked from every direction right now (for bad reasons as you've pointed out) and you've had great posts discussing the hypocrisy and toxicity of many fans. I think positivity is what is necessary right now if we are to have any chance of qualifying and getting results.

That's why I am suggesting we update our sentiments after WC. I'm not undermining him at all. We are allowed to highlight the pros and cons. It's part of sports. Ongoing discussions can be fruitful. This is part of of being a professional sportsmen. Look at what the pundits are saying. Look at the articles on various media outlets...far harsher than this thread will ever be.





Exactly my point. With CQ it's always almost but never more. Almost won CAF championship. Almost qualified Egypt to WC. Almost got is to rd 2 in 2018. Always almost...

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[Karimi 8]

That's why I am suggesting we update our sentiments after WC. I'm not undermining him at all. We are allowed to highlight the pros and cons. It's part of sports. Ongoing discussions can be fruitful. This is part of of being a professional sportsmen. Look at what the pundits are saying. Look at the articles on various media outlets...far harsher than this thread will ever be.





Exactly my point. With CQ it's always almost but never more. Almost won CAF championship. Almost qualified Egypt to WC. Almost got is to rd 2 in 2018. Always almost...

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Would you rather almost make it and miss out by a slim margin or not even be close to progressing (ie 2006) ?

[AmirSalar]

CQ was never responding to that ghorme sabzi smelling bitches middle fingers with middle fingers of his own. He was literally blowing kisses back to that fan and trying to get the crowd to cheer for the team.

[Prowess]

This discussion is a good one, but a little premature at the moment. Also, a legacy is not determined by one game, but how you do overall.

His legacy was great up until the England game. Giving us the most points in WC history in 2018 in a tough group, where we were one goal away from advancing. That’s absolutely progress from his predecessors.

However, his lineup selection in the opening game was extremely bizarre, and it backfired, very badly. But we can’t fully judge him until the tournament is over.

[AmirSalar]

It seems like a bunch of members forgot where we were before CQ. How did we go from complaining about not making the World Cup to complaining about ALMOST making it out of a group consisting of Portugal, Morocco, and Spain? Our standards for Iran have raised and that only happened after CQ arrived. That’s the only reason we’re so critical of our results against England. If Skokic was our coach not a single person here would have cared or been this upset because it would have been EXPECTED to get demolished by England. The only reason any of us had HOPE of a good result against England is because of the other good results we’ve had against teams of that same caliber with CQ.

[koorosh]

This would cup the legacy of CQ and the players will always be noted with the concurrent political events in the background. From a footballing perspective he should be judged by the first two world cups.

We had lost the game even before CQs bizarre line up.

The players were under duress and their minds were elsewhere..

When you know that your people are equating you with their hated enemy, when insults are pouring in on your SM accounts, when you have divisions in your team as fundamental as your most basic beliefs.. how can you concentrate to beat world class teams?

On two occasions I heard clear calls of Bisharaf on the TV. Imagine being a player and hearing those cries ...how can you concentrate?

CQ has been completely baffled as how to respond to the people and the movement, digging himself deeper and deeper.



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