Carlos Queiroz Thread

[peiman92]

Iran had conceded only one goal to Qatar in its last 7 games since a 2-2 tie we had with them in 2012.

Conceding 3 goals to them is a definite measure that the "only solution" to Iranian football is not "Chains off" attacking and that defensive discipline(especially with the historically poor Arabs when it comes to offense) is important.

Actually the problem with this last game against Qatar was that we were too defensive. We played with 2dm and that cost us everything.

The 4-0 game in October we played a much more attacking 4-4-2. Almost all games (besides Japan) we played 4-4-2.

Now why suddenly play with 2dm against Qatar in semifinals? The answer is simple, he got scared of Qatar and went more defensive. He corrected his mistake in 2nd half, and we totally dominated. But it was too late as we already had lost 1st half.

[peiman92]

Peiman jAn as your elder brother I honestly harbour no ill will.

It's fine to be passionate, it's fine to be contrarian. Be you

Just trolling for the sake of it doesn't make sense agha. There comes a time when it just doesn't achieve anything.

When you stop labeling people with different opinions as trolls and trolling i might take you seriously.

[DR Strangemoosh]

Different opinions is fine

But making stuff up all the time, and then doubling down on it is trolling

[JoojehKoobedeh2]

Are we seriously still arguing with people who view CQ as a failure? Building up a team of youngsters and trusting them, calling up Iranians abroad like Gucci, Dejagah, and Ghoddos, qualifying us to basically three WCs (2022 WCQ was all CQs team with the exception of 1 or 2 players lol) We haven’t had a single moment of pishraft since he’s left. I agree with him being too one dimensional in terms of tactics and being too defensive but look at last Asia Cup vs this one (19’ scored 12, conceded 3) this one we scored the same amount with the bullshit hojumi football but conceded 6 times which is double than last time. CQ also didn’t have Ezatolahi and a actually in form Taremi at his disposal when it mattered most. CQ was from a failure but his chapter is over. He was our best coach and will continue to be that until another coach can either win us a cup or get us out of a Group Stage in a WC. Anything else will be either the same or less than CQ.

[KC McElroy]

Are we seriously still arguing with people who view CQ as a failure? Building up a team of youngsters and trusting them, calling up Iranians abroad like Gucci, Dejagah, and Ghoddos, qualifying us to basically three WCs (2022 WCQ was all CQs team with the exception of 1 or 2 players lol) We haven’t had a single moment of pishraft since he’s left. I agree with him being too one dimensional in terms of tactics and being too defensive but look at last Asia Cup vs this one (19’ scored 12, conceded 3) this one we scored the same amount with the bullshit hojumi football but conceded 6 times which is double than last time. CQ also didn’t have Ezatolahi and a actually in form Taremi at his disposal when it mattered most. CQ was from a failure but his chapter is over. He was our best coach and will continue to be that until another coach can either win us a cup or get us out of a Group Stage in a WC. Anything else will be either the same or less than CQ.

Would you say that if some day a TM coach took the team to the final 16 of the World Cup and/or won the Asian Cup he would be considered better?

[perspolis#1]

Actually the problem with this last game against Qatar was that we were too defensive. We played with 2dm and that cost us everything.

The 4-0 game in October we played a much more attacking 4-4-2. Almost all games (besides Japan) we played 4-4-2.

Now why suddenly play with 2dm against Qatar in semifinals? The answer is simple, he got scared of Qatar and went more defensive. He corrected his mistake in 2nd half, and we totally dominated. But it was too late as we already had lost 1st half.

We do not concede any of the goals we conceded vs Qatar under a proper defensive structure which was not implemented at all.

In a high stakes game, where there are questions of collusion and potential referee bias you do not play "CHaINZ oFf". The 2nf and 3rd goals Qatar score would never have been scored if CQ organized the defense.

The only player to be able to dribble multiple players and score a screamer against a well drilled Iran defense in a major game is Messi.

Not Akram Afife chos mesghal

[JoojehKoobedeh2]

Would you say that if some day a TM coach took the team to the final 16 of the World Cup and/or won the Asian Cup he would be considered better?

That’s exactly what I said. Winning a continental tourney or performing in the World Cup requires a great coach who can make sure the team performs on all levels from mentality to physically and tactically. Since the beginning of our football we have dreamt of a KO round match in the WC. We all want another AC title. Because once these titles have been achieved we can truly be recognized as not only an Asian powerhouse but perhaps even a global one like Japan. We are the only top 5 Asian team to not make it out of the group stage. The thrill of getting to watch our boys finally in a KO round against the best of the world would be euphoric. Until then we can only wish and dream lol

[KC McElroy]

That’s exactly what I said. Winning a continental tourney or performing in the World Cup requires a great coach who can make sure the team performs on all levels from mentality to physically and tactically. Since the beginning of our football we have dreamt of a KO round match in the WC. We all want another AC title. Because once these titles have been achieved we can truly be recognized as not only an Asian powerhouse but perhaps even a global one like Japan. We are the only top 5 Asian team to not make it out of the group stage. The thrill of getting to watch our boys finally in a KO round against the best of the world would be euphoric. Until then we can only wish and dream lol

Thank you. So we both agree on who our best coach in history is.

[JoojehKoobedeh2]

Thank you. So we both agree on who our best coach in history is.

yes, we do indeed agree that CQ is currently our best coach in history since no one else has achieved anything greater than him. Thank you.

[peiman92]

We do not concede any of the goals we conceded vs Qatar under a proper defensive structure which was not implemented at all.

In a high stakes game, where there are questions of collusion and potential referee bias you do not play "CHaINZ oFf". The 2nf and 3rd goals Qatar score would never have been scored if CQ organized the defense.

The only player to be able to dribble multiple players and score a screamer against a well drilled Iran defense in a major game is Messi.

Not Akram Afife chos mesghal

I will answer you in two parts.

Part 1 Comparison with CQ

In 2015 AC and 2019 AC CQ was our coach right?
In both those exits we conceded 3 goals as well. He organized our defense and we conceded 3 goals against Iraq and 3 goals against Japan.
From a defensive point of view the Qatar game was just as bad.

I have seen some people now starting to measure amount of goals conceded in AC under CQ and GN to somehow find an advantage for CQ, now that they can't say he got better results. Why? Baba even if we had scored 500 goals and conceded 0 during the tournament but lost on PK's in semifinal what difference does it make? For me only end results matter. A loss in final or an exit in GS would be the same. For Iran it's title or bust in AC. You could argue that this time was perhaps the closest we have come since 96 to reach the final (in terms of play in semifinals) but that means zilch as we still lost the semifinal. But to defend CQ who absolutely did not come closer, i just can't understand that.

Part 2 GN Failure

GN is 1000% to blame for our loss. I'm not defending him in any way, and i hate him as much as CQ now.
I still can't come to terms with our loss with Qatar. For me it is unbelievable how you can prepare a team for attacking 4-4-2 for 9 months and then suddenly play with 2 dm when tournament is getting real? This is what cost us and GN is 1000% to blame. He got scared and reverted back to defensive football (HE HAD NOT PREPARED THE TEAM FOR) which is unforgivable and gave Afif & Co more time to move forward and punish us. In the 4-0 game when we played 4-4-2, did Afif & co even create one good chance (apart from Afif 90 min chance when game was already dead)?

[peiman92]

Different opinions is fine

But making stuff up all the time, and then doubling down on it is trolling

You're the one doubling down on your own words. I give up on you.

[peiman92]

Are we seriously still arguing with people who view CQ as a failure? Building up a team of youngsters and trusting them, calling up Iranians abroad like Gucci, Dejagah, and Ghoddos, qualifying us to basically three WCs (2022 WCQ was all CQs team with the exception of 1 or 2 players lol) We haven’t had a single moment of pishraft since he’s left. I agree with him being too one dimensional in terms of tactics and being too defensive but look at last Asia Cup vs this one (19’ scored 12, conceded 3) this one we scored the same amount with the bullshit hojumi football but conceded 6 times which is double than last time. CQ also didn’t have Ezatolahi and a actually in form Taremi at his disposal when it mattered most. CQ was from a failure but his chapter is over. He was our best coach and will continue to be that until another coach can either win us a cup or get us out of a Group Stage in a WC. Anything else will be either the same or less than CQ.

We reached the exact same stage in AC now that we reached under his best performance in 2019, where the "defensive mastermind" gave us a 3-0 loss as gift after 8 years in charge. He was nothing but a failure. Who cares about goal conceded?

[Hosseini]

GN is 1000% to blame for our loss. I'm not defending him in any way, and i hate him as much as CQ now.
I still can't come to terms with our loss with Qatar. For me it is unbelievable how you can prepare a team for attacking 4-4-2 for 9 months and then suddenly play with 2 dm when tournament is getting real? This is what cost us and GN is 1000% to blame. He got scared and reverted back to defensive football (HE HAD NOT PREPARED THE TEAM FOR) which is unforgivable and gave Afif & Co more time to move forward and punish us. In the 4-0 game when we played 4-4-2, did Afif & co even create one good chance (apart from Afif 90 min chance when game was already dead)?

In GN's defense, you cannot compare the 4-0 win in Jordan in front of 50 fans to a semi-final in Qatar with 45,000 Qatari fans in attendance. Completely different games and he's right about that

[JoojehKoobedeh2]

We reached the exact same stage in AC now that we reached under his best performance in 2019, where the "defensive mastermind" gave us a 3-0 loss as gift after 8 years in charge. He was nothing but a failure. Who cares about goal conceded?

You obviously do since you are mentioning it as well. If the chains are off for us to play attacking football why did we conceded more and score the same amount??? CQ did nothing? Ok I guess an undefeated run through WCQ means nothing. Calling up players abroad that come in and qualify us for a WC after we missed out the previous one means nothing. We were such a solid team making WC left and right without CQ right??? WC 2014 to 2018 he literally changed the whole team to what it is today but I guess it means nothing. He emphasized going out to play in Europe instead of playing in micky mouse league but I guess it means nothing. Getting us 4 points in a with Portugal, Spain, and Morocco actually meant nothing unfortunately…. Dude you need to realize the bigger picture. We were never that solid. In the 20 years after the war we literally made WC only twice. Other Asian teams were flying by us and will continue to do so. CQ brought us back into the front runner in Asia. Idk what makes you think that reaching the KO stages of the WC is such an easy task for Iran considering before CQ we struggled to even make it in first place. Now that we we are making it left and right thanks to CQ and the team he built we are getting spoiled and saying he is a failure for not going from 0 to 100 (Reaching KO stage, winning AC) as if there has been any other coach who has managed to do so successfully for us. CQ and TM in general heavily relies on a solid DM. Thats our football philosophy since Bagheri days. As much as ppl bash him Ezatolahi is crucial to TM success since we unfortunately have 0 depth in that department. CQ not having him in 2019 along with Taremi being out and our players chasing refs instead of the actual ball can’t seriously be blamed on CQ can it now?? I’m done proving the fact that CQ was and currently is the best coach we have ever had.

[peiman92]

In GN's defense, you cannot compare the 4-0 win in Jordan in front of 50 fans to a semi-final in Qatar with 45,000 Qatari fans in attendance. Completely different games and he's right about that

Yes you are right that is not comparable, but surely the impact was not so big that we should go from winning 4-0 to losing 3-2.
My opinion is still that the formation chosen in 1st half cost us everything.