Carlos Queiroz Thread

[KC McElroy]

yes, we do indeed agree that CQ is currently our best coach in history since no one else has achieved anything greater than him. Thank you.

You are not familiar with our soccer history.
We agreed that a TM coach took the team to the final 16 of the World Cup and/or won the Asian Cup would be considered better.

[peiman92]

You obviously do since you are mentioning it as well. If the chains are off for us to play attacking football why did we conceded more and score the same amount??? CQ did nothing? Ok I guess an undefeated run through WCQ means nothing. Calling up players abroad that come in and qualify us for a WC after we missed out the previous one means nothing. We were such a solid team making WC left and right without CQ right??? WC 2014 to 2018 he literally changed the whole team to what it is today but I guess it means nothing. He emphasized going out to play in Europe instead of playing in micky mouse league but I guess it means nothing. Getting us 4 points in a with Portugal, Spain, and Morocco actually meant nothing unfortunately…. Dude you need to realize the bigger picture. We were never that solid. In the 20 years after the war we literally made WC only twice. Other Asian teams were flying by us and will continue to do so. CQ brought us back into the front runner in Asia. Idk what makes you think that reaching the KO stages of the WC is such an easy task for Iran considering before CQ we struggled to even make it in first place. Now that we we are making it left and right thanks to CQ and the team he built we are getting spoiled and saying he is a failure for not going from 0 to 100 (Reaching KO stage, winning AC) as if there has been any other coach who has managed to do so successfully for us. CQ and TM in general heavily relies on a solid DM. Thats our football philosophy since Bagheri days. As much as ppl bash him Ezatolahi is crucial to TM success since we unfortunately have 0 depth in that department. CQ not having him in 2019 along with Taremi being out and our players chasing refs instead of the actual ball can’t seriously be blamed on CQ can it now?? I’m done proving the fact that CQ was and currently is the best coach we have ever had.

No i don't care at all. As i wrote previously even scoring 500 goals while conceding 0 (losing in penalties) does not matter if you exit at the same stage. It is you who are using it as some kind of comparison.

After 2010 WCQ became much easier as we only had 1 big team in our group.
In 2010 WCQ we had both S.Korea and Saudi, while in 2014, 2018 and 2022 WCQ we only had S.Korea.
If he was going to bottle that (which he almost did in 2014) then dige hichi...That worthless Skocic even got more points in 3rd round WCQ than he did, which should tell you everything.

CQ was hired to bring us to new heights and he miserably failed with 3 WC GS-exits and 2 AC failures. He was in charge for over 10 years ffs. Tell me which coach got as much time as he did? He brought us nothing and was a total failure.

[JoojehKoobedeh2]

You are not familiar with our soccer history.
We agreed that a TM coach took the team to the final 16 of the World Cup and/or won the Asian Cup would be considered better.

I’m not? In what universe did we make it to Rd of 16 in the World Cup or won the Asia cup when it wasn’t with Burma and 3 other teams? TM during Shah doesn’t count since back then people in power actually cared for things like football and our country doing well on the global stage. That TM might as well be in its own category or labeled a different countries TM. So other than that it seems that you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about or you are just trolling. You’re literally admitting that the hypothetical I stated would be “better” than CQ hereby proving my point that CQ is currently the best coach in our post revolution football.

[JoojehKoobedeh2]

No i don't care at all. As i wrote previously even scoring 500 goals while conceding 0 (losing in penalties) does not matter if you exit at the same stage. It is you who are using it as some kind of comparison.

After 2010 WCQ became much easier as we only had 1 big team in our group.
In 2010 WCQ we had both S.Korea and Saudi, while in 2014, 2018 and 2022 WCQ we only had S.Korea.
If he was going to bottle that (which he almost did in 2014) then dige hichi...That worthless Skocic even got more points in 3rd round WCQ than he did, which should tell you everything.

CQ was hired to bring us to new heights and he miserably failed with 3 WC GS-exits and 2 AC failures. He was in charge for over 10 years ffs. Tell me which coach got as much time as he did? He brought us nothing and was a total failure.

This is pointless. By your standards all the coaches should just go hang themselves because at least CQ got us into a WC consistently while most of the others failed to do so.

[KC McElroy]

I’m not? In what universe did we make it to Rd of 16 in the World Cup or won the Asia cup when it wasn’t with Burma and 3 other teams? TM during Shah doesn’t count since back then people in power actually cared for things like football and our country doing well on the global stage. That TM might as well be in its own category or labeled a different countries TM. So other than that it seems that you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about or you are just trolling. You’re literally admitting that the hypothetical I stated would be “better” than CQ hereby proving my point that CQ is currently the best coach in our post revolution football.

I guess what you really meant was that a TM coach that took the team to the final 16 of the World Cup when it wasn't during Shah as it doesn’t count since back then people in power actually cared for things like football and our country doing well on the global stage and/or won the Asian Cup when it wasn’t with Burma and 3 other teams would be considered better. So it seems like we don't agree after all.

[perspolis#1]

I will answer you in two parts.

Part 1 Comparison with CQ

You could argue that this time was perhaps the closest we have come since 96 to reach the final (in terms of play in semifinals) but that means zilch as we still lost the semifinal. But to defend CQ who absolutely did not come closer, i just can't understand that.

You keep missing the point that SOLID DEFENSE AND STRUCTURE is what you need to win to win games and indeed championships.

When was the last time a world cup winner just outscored everyone all the time with chains off?

Argentina had all narrow wins and a loss and basically s***housed their way to a World cup by packing the midfield and defense and waiting for Messi to do something.

France played one game all offfensive and the rest they relied on outrunning their team and had terrible output from Giroud the whole time.

Germany relied on their midfield and structure

Spain could have 90% possesion but could only win games by a goal but their plan and defensive reaction was on point.

Italy in 2006 no need to mention.


This is beyond CQ, its a rule of football.

Euro 2004 Greece, Last Euros Portugal(not the loaded France) won.

Keep thinking that throwing 10 bodies upfront and playing Spain to a 6-4 thriller is what will happen in real life you will be massively disappointed for as long as you watch football.

[nisfejahan]

yes, we do indeed agree that CQ is currently our best coach in history since no one else has achieved anything greater than him. Thank you.

ahem...At the very least you should limit your assertion of "Best in History" to post-revolution.

[oracle]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY KING CARLOS.

[armen]

During an interview, CQ's assistant coach Roger de Sa was asked why Queiroz and his coaching staff (including de Sa) were fired; excerpt from the interview:

Asked about what happened with the Qatar national team job, De Sa said that there were big disagreements with the sheiks (the rulers).
“I think Carlos disagreed and fought with the sheiks. That made the sheiks angry, and they terminated our contract."
https://sundayworld.co.za/sports/de-...-coaching-job/

[peiman92]

During an interview, CQ's assistant coach Roger de Sa was asked why Queiroz and his coaching staff (including de Sa) were fired; excerpt from the interview:

Asked about what happened with the Qatar national team job, De Sa said that there were big disagreements with the sheiks (the rulers).
“I think Carlos disagreed and fought with the sheiks. That made the sheiks angry, and they terminated our contract."
https://sundayworld.co.za/sports/de-...-coaching-job/

The sheiks are absolute legends. Fired his sorry ass and got the gold!

[peiman92]

This is pointless. By your standards all the coaches should just go hang themselves because at least CQ got us into a WC consistently while most of the others failed to do so.

We were in the WC before CQ.
He is responsible for 3WC exits in Group stages.
A win here and there doesn't matter as we ultimately didn't go through.
Just as the win last month against Japan means ZILCH as we didn't win the cup.

[peiman92]

You keep missing the point that SOLID DEFENSE AND STRUCTURE is what you need to win to win games and indeed championships.

When was the last time a world cup winner just outscored everyone all the time with chains off?

Argentina had all narrow wins and a loss and basically s***housed their way to a World cup by packing the midfield and defense and waiting for Messi to do something.

France played one game all offfensive and the rest they relied on outrunning their team and had terrible output from Giroud the whole time.

Germany relied on their midfield and structure

Spain could have 90% possesion but could only win games by a goal but their plan and defensive reaction was on point.

Italy in 2006 no need to mention.


This is beyond CQ, its a rule of football.

Euro 2004 Greece, Last Euros Portugal(not the loaded France) won.

Keep thinking that throwing 10 bodies upfront and playing Spain to a 6-4 thriller is what will happen in real life you will be massively disappointed for as long as you watch football.

You are the one who wrote that we would never concede the goals against Qatar under Queiroz.
Like i said CQ defense masterclass did result in us getting scored 6 TIMES against Iraq and Japan during the previous exits, so i don't get your point regarding CQ at all.

Now regarding your point with defense wins championships etc, yes historically you are right.
But the winds are changing during the last years. Argentina conceded 8 goals during WC, what good defense?

They dominated every game in WC except Croatia game( which was a Scaloni masterclass to give them the ball and punish them on the counters). It worked in the Croatia game but unlike GN (who suceeded in this vs Japan but failed to change back to attack vs Qatar)he changed back to full attack vs France.

[oracle]

You are the one who wrote that we would never concede the goals against Qatar under Queiroz.
Like i said CQ defense masterclass did result in us getting scored 6 TIMES against Iraq and Japan during the previous exits, so i don't get your point regarding CQ at all.

Now regarding your point with defense wins championships etc, yes historically you are right.
But the winds are changing during the last years. Argentina conceded 8 goals during WC, what good defense?

They dominated every game in WC except Croatia game( which was a Scaloni masterclass to give them the ball and punish them on the counters). It worked in the Croatia game but unlike GN (who suceeded in this vs Japan but failed to change back to attack vs Qatar)he changed back to full attack vs France.

Bia pgl thread
khab didam ss nemibareh jolo havadar.

Cq greatest foreign hc of all time for tm, u can't change that fact

[perspolis#1]

You are the one who wrote that we would never concede the goals against Qatar under Queiroz.
Like i said CQ defense masterclass did result in us getting scored 6 TIMES against Iraq and Japan during the previous exits, so i don't get your point regarding CQ at all.

Now regarding your point with defense wins championships etc, yes historically you are right.
But the winds are changing during the last years. Argentina conceded 8 goals during WC, what good defense?

They dominated every game in WC except Croatia game( which was a Scaloni masterclass to give them the ball and punish them on the counters). It worked in the Croatia game but unlike GN (who suceeded in this vs Japan but failed to change back to attack vs Qatar)he changed back to full attack vs France.

8 goals conceded in 8 games is not a bad defensive record in a world cup. They were not outscoring opponents in rough "CHAINS OFF" thrillers, they had a measured approach.

You are going to keep seeing what you want to see, but CQ never conceded 3 goals in a game to Qatar in 10 years at the helm. He actually perfected the 1-0 clean job against them.

For all the ghod ghod about all out attack we scraped past Hong Kong and survived by a hair against wartorn Syria

[Tarsal Claw]

CQ, the honorary doodool talah of global soccer for some of you. Amazing that this thread is still going. It’s like cooking ghormeh sabzi in the house, the smell lingers…