Iran vs. Qatar - [Match Thread] | Jordan 2023 Intl. Tournament | October 17th |

[arj42]

CQ gave us the best WC results in team melli history in 2018. He was the first coach to qualify us to back to back world cups.

Also, if I’m not mistaken, he gave us the highest number of good results against top 20 teams (Portugal, Senegal, Wales, Uruguay, etc.) in team melli history.

His personality, how he achieved his results, his shortcomings, those can all be a subject for debate.

But for his achievements, I will forever be grateful.

Most importantly, he laid out such a great foundation of players that future coaches like Skocic and now GN, is currently benefiting from.

perfectly said

[oracle]

All of these discussions are quite irrelevant. Koroush or Jendehral or Eskoscher or Ahamadinejad-Kohan. Problem is that TM have lacked a continuity before but now it doesn't. We are actually progressing. 2014 we were okay but didnt have any chance in WC, 2018 we were inches away vs Portugal, In 2022 we were even more close to qualify and make it out of the group. All of these coaches are on a similiar level with their own unique strengths and weaknesses.

If we keep on knocking on a door consistently, someone will finally open it. Its the same regarding TM performances. The worst thing that can happen are disruptions. Like not qualifying for world cup and not competing at the highest levels of Asia, World Cup etcetera. Even a small thing like consistency will have more impact than a specific coach.

No head coach will be the silver bullet that solves all of Irans problems. On the contrary Irans football problems are structural and its macro structures that will determine the iranian performances. How many youth are playing or competing in football? How many fields are there? How is clubs infrastructures and financial situations? What is the general educational level of coaches in Iran? In different sectors and age groups of football? How is the structure of governance? What kind of incentive structures are in place? How is the overall development of all fields and areas of expertise around the core business of football? Doctors? Sport psychologists? Physical training coaches and educators? How do organizations evaluate performances?

Fix these macro issues and I guarantee you we will shit on Japan, Australia and Korea every time we meet them. Who can be so naive to think CQ is good for football or Jendehral is bringing football "home" to paraphrase english fools? Who cares?

For even shittier countries than our own Coach can be the biggest issue. In case you have good players raised abroad. It truly is when a whole national team that ought to be french, belgien, dutch or whatever isnt bc of racism and footballers wanting to play internationally. Ie morrocco that have 95 percent belgian-morrocans that are trained and raised in top notch systems. There one can argue coach is most important factor. This goes for most african countries. Iran on the other hand doesnt have this luxury of having other nations producing our talents. Contrary to these countries Iran have to act like a legit nation and start to ORGANIZE and meet the challenges that comes with competing in international football.

Problem is our players don't have proper speed, discipline to make it in European leagues..
if not raw talent persian players are top notch in asia...they go through couple of european practices they say f... this and already plan their come backs to pgl which is smart instead of staying in Europe in Mackey mouse teams warming the benchs and forgetting how to play 90 minutes of football...look at sardar he put in massive minutes in tm last fifa days and had a great game in roma...football players must play and be game ready...

[arj42]

Problem is our players don't have proper speed, discipline to make it in European leagues..
if not raw talent persian players are top notch in asia...they go through couple of european practices they say f... this and already plan their come backs to pgl which is smart instead of staying in Europe in Mackey mouse teams warming the benchs and forgetting how to play 90 minutes of football...look at sardar he put in massive minutes in tm last fifa days and had a great game in roma...football players must play and be game ready...

Playing for a big club like Persepolis is usually better tbsn playing as a sub in a random European league for bad club but majority of the time it’s better for them to go Europe. Playing on big team like Persepolis is not bad T all tho

[oracle]

Playing for a big club like Persepolis is usually better tbsn playing as a sub in a random European league for bad club but majority of the time it’s better for them to go Europe. Playing on big team like Persepolis is not bad T all tho

Saeed, j.b ,gholi,mohebi, milad
these 5 must come to pgl asap to prolong their
Soccer career and be more effective for tm.
saeed is must....

Mohebi has lost step going to russia comparecompm being in ss.

gholi in poland is a joke , ahmadzadeh was there
He cMe back it changed his career for better.

j.b his tm performance is awful ,he don't play 90 minutes of football week In and week out.


perspolis, ss, sepahan, tt are perfect place for above 5, it helps them and tm..

[peiman92]

BRONKOO had 4 asian players of the year 🤣
I was gonna stop and said I just check mate you in one sentence but i like u too much to do that to you..
Bronko had ali karimi,Ali daie,khodadad azizi, and mahdavikia, vahid Hashemi, rahman rezaie,jn, his bench was Farhad majidi,moharam navidkia, Hamed kavianpour,Feria zandi, bakhtyarzadeh,Iman mobali,ando, these are players top of my head there were so many more nikbakht,kabi, oh my God if I think harder I can name you many more
HE HAD IN 4 YEARS PERiod the greatest talents in tm history to pick and choose from...
what did he do
He got stock in mud like a donkey IN SECOND ROUND OF WCQ losing to jordan 1-0 @ home FIRST EVER OFFICIAL MATCH lose IN HISTORY OF AZADI ,he had call up azizi to get him out of second round of wcq and if azizi said no lol he almost did NO WAY IN HELL tm with all those talents head by bronko wouldnt even make the 3rd round of qualifications.
right there WCQ MATCHES ADVANTAGE GO TO CQ with so much confidence we made wc under him back to back first time in history.

asian cups
Both made ac semi both lost. I give tie breaker to
bronko since tm was robbed by the ref against China, and cq was robbed by ref against Australia
advantage bronko for ac.


For wc advantage cq
Bronko 3 games 1pt = 0.33 point per match
cq 9 matches 8pts= 0.88 points per match.

CQ defeats bronko 2-1 on 3 important stages.

Cq inherited arguably worst talent in last 44 years and built a team from scratch
WHILE
BRONKO inherited THE MOST INCREDIBLE TALENT OF PLAYERS in last 44 years ON SILVER PLATER.

i had you at hello when you said bronko.

I give you another chance pick any hc in last 44 years that you think is better than cq or pick another foreigner hc in history.....

Checkmate? More like you checkmated yourself with that post. You forgot that CQ almost had us eliminated after losing to both Lebanon & Uzbekistan?

CQ had 3 opportunities to get us out of the GS in WC but failed miserably. In his first attempt he got 1 point, just like Branko. 2nd & 3rd attempt GS exits as well, which means it was a big mistake continuing with him.

In his 1st Asian Cup we got eliminated by Iraq in QF, even worse than Branko. In his 2nd attempt ( after having the team for 8 years) he got us an embarrasing 3-0 defeat against Japan.

I’m not a fan of Branko but at least he was slightly better than that self proclaimed top 10 coach who was nothing but a fraud and a charlatan.

As you say results speaks for themselves so let’s forget about the embarrasing football he made us play for most of the 8 years with 30-35% ball possession against the likes of UAE & Qatar.

[oracle]

Checkmate? More like you checkmated yourself with that post. You forgot that CQ almost had us eliminated after losing to both Lebanon & Uzbekistan?

CQ had 3 opportunities to get us out of the GS in WC but failed miserably. In his first attempt he got 1 point, just like Branko. 2nd & 3rd attempt GS exits as well, which means it was a big mistake continuing with him.

In his 1st Asian Cup we got eliminated by Iraq in QF, even worse than Branko. In his 2nd attempt ( after having the team for 8 years) he got us an embarrasing 3-0 defeat against Japan.

I’m not a fan of Branko but at least he was slightly better than that self proclaimed top 10 coach who was nothing but a fraud and a charlatan.

As you say results speaks for themselves so let’s forget about the embarrasing football he made us play for most of the 8 years with 30-35% ball possession against the likes of UAE & Qatar.

Why don't you defend your pick bronko and his results and make case for bronko being better instead of talking about cq.. ....maybe you cant defend your own pick against cq since he taked us to 2 back to back wc with ease and average .88pt a game,in wc
you cant defend your own pick.

You lost cq vs bronko 2-1
wc goes to cq
Wcq goes to cq
Ac goes to bronko

pick another coach any coach not name heshmat mohajerani you want in history of tm to compare vs cq. ......
some times is ok in life to lose an argument, it makes you stronger for the next one.
This was NEPOLION VERSION OF SOCCER debate you got checkmate napeloniiiii
Chetoriiiiiii peiman LOL

[AGC]

Problem is our players don't have proper speed, discipline to make it in European leagues..
if not raw talent persian players are top notch in asia...they go through couple of european practices they say f... this and already plan their come backs to pgl which is smart instead of staying in Europe in Mackey mouse teams warming the benchs and forgetting how to play 90 minutes of football...look at sardar he put in massive minutes in tm last fifa days and had a great game in roma...football players must play and be game ready...

I agree that our players often act this way and most of what you are saying. But this is not the core issue. Japan system make players that can make it to the leagues in Europe. Iran trains slow players. Then the causes are actually one step before the cause that you mention. Right?

[oracle]

I agree that our players often act this way and most of what you are saying. But this is not the core issue. Japan system make players that can make it to the leagues in Europe. Iran trains slow players. Then the causes are actually one step before the cause that you mention. Right?

Exactly like u said the real reason is way before the player reason.
no fields, no real youth programs,
There are a lot of futball schools everywhere
But it's for rich kids , the real talent dies.
Have u noticed u15,u17,u19 tm we don't hear of the players anymore once older lol the players we hear majority are the ones not invited to youth tm.......enjoy tm high rankings because there will be a time not too far from now we will drop out of top 4 asia ranking....other nations are spending massive money and we will drop to 5-8ranking in asia, reality is that BUT LIKE SHOJA KHALIZSD SAID
persian ghirat dose wonders on the field...but in reality in less then 10 years we be 5-8 ranking in asia instead of top 4.

[peiman92]

Why don't you defend your pick bronko and his results and make case for bronko being better instead of talking about cq.. ....maybe you cant defend your own pick against cq since he taked us to 2 back to back wc with ease and average .88pt a game,in wc
you cant defend your own pick.

You lost cq vs bronko 2-1
wc goes to cq
Wcq goes to cq
Ac goes to bronko

pick another coach any coach not name heshmat mohajerani you want in history of tm to compare vs cq. ......
some times is ok in life to lose an argument, it makes you stronger for the next one.
This was NEPOLION VERSION OF SOCCER debate you got checkmate napeloniiiii
Chetoriiiiiii peiman LOL

I did defend him against CQ, perhaps you need to read again.

WC goes to Branko 1 failure vs CQ 3 failures
AC goes to Branko 1 failure vs CQ 2 failures

Branko 2 CQ 0

Both were shit but Branko was less shitty lol.

I agree about losing an argument usually makes you stronger for the next one. Let’s see if that is the case with you next time we argue, because this one you lost.

[mehdi13]

I did defend him against CQ, perhaps you need to read again.

WC goes to Branko 1 failure vs CQ 3 failures
AC goes to Branko 1 failure vs CQ 2 failures

Branko 2 CQ 0

Both were shit but Branko was less shitty lol.

I agree about losing an argument usually makes you stronger for the next one. Let’s see if that is the case with you next time we argue, because this one you lost.

Who keeps score like this? Lol. What are their total records in WC?

King Carlos: 2-2-5
Brangoh: 0-1-2
Sgohcic: n/a

[Babak agha]

Let me see and get this straight
When cq tied Portugal 2016 European Champs
1-1 and came within inches of beating them
2ALL CQ HATERS SAID OH THAT was 2016 and 2 years before the wc Portugal won the cup.

But when general beats a afc champ qatar almost 5 years later, cq haters are referring to qatar current Champs .....

i keep rubbing my chin wondering ...

Babak jan admit cq is greatest foreigner hc on tm ever.

I was joking around oracle, CQ was a good coach. But no God King, maybe the best we've had together with blazevic. He should never have been our coach last year tho.

[oracle]

Who keeps score like this? Lol. What are their total records in WC?

King Carlos: 2-2-5
Brangoh: 0-1-2
Sgohcic: n/a

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 his score keeping is as good as his predictions...

[oracle]

I did defend him against CQ, perhaps you need to read again.

WC goes to Branko 1 failure vs CQ 3 failures
AC goes to Branko 1 failure vs CQ 2 failures

Branko 2 CQ 0

Both were shit but Branko was less shitty lol.

I agree about losing an argument usually makes you stronger for the next one. Let’s see if that is the case with you next time we argue, because this one you lost.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 it's OK.
chetoooori peiman.

[oracle]

I was joking around oracle, CQ was a good coach. But no God King, maybe the best we've had together with blazevic. He should never have been our coach last year tho.

From 06 to 2011 tm was on the road to destruction. After not qualifying for wc10 , tm next wc appearance was becoming a dream again.

cq was tm savior, he was given a drowned ship.
He pull it out from under the water taked it to land, rebuilt it....his rebuilding is responsible for 3 wc appearances in the row. Which for a nation that only had 3 wc appearance from 1930-until cq arrival. is an amazing accomplishment for drowned ship he taked over.
Skocic and general getting results from cq players.
wait and see once cq generation of players are gone what will happen, THEN CQ WILL BE CALLED
"jesus christ of persian football"
just like pre 78 revolution same people saying marg bar shah are saying javid shah now.

[koorosh]

Baba you can present facts from here to eternity, what's the point?

People who have decided CQ was terrible are not driven by logic...they HATE him.

Everything said here has been repeated here a thousand times. Every fact has been presented in multiple different ways.

They still repeat the same opinions, and in a vicious way that hopes to draw a reaction.

Just ignore the haters.



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