Iran vs. Qatar - [Match Thread] | Jordan 2023 Intl. Tournament | October 17th |

[Artaxerxes]

Lolll what a simple way of seeing things!

It's not just the end result that matters. Stats don't lie but they don't tell the whole truth.

Context matters and you don't seem to understand this unfortunately, so your arguments are quite flawed.

CQ still earned more points and better results against STRONGER OPPOSITION during the world cup than Branko did.

Is drawing vs debutant Angola the same as drawing powerhouse Nigeria?


Missing R16 by ONE SINGLE point below SPAIN AND PORTUGAL is the same as missing R16 being 3 points below Mexico, in a MUCH EASIER group?

barely losing to Argentina (almost defeating them) and drawing vs Portugal is equal to being completely outplayed by Mexico and Portugal with Branko?

Whether you like Carlos Queiroz's defensive style or not, his achievements can't even be compared to Branko. Lolll it's literally laughable and makes me question whether you're even using your logic vs just an emotionally driven hatred for Carlos Queiroz, which you clearly have.

Valid points bro, i just wished CQ started Ghoddos and hate to say it Basij Torabi vs USA and Karim instead of a gased out and half injured Azmoun and use Azmoun as a sub last 15-20 min, then I really belive we had played Holland in the R16.

[Damavand]

I feel like a broken record but I have to reederate, CQs stubbornness really cost us in the last WC. His insane lineup vs England cost us our biggest defeat since the 50s and his lame lineup and first half tactic vs US cost us the Round of 16.

And this was his 3rd WC attempt with the same team not first or 2nd.

So now, I can totally sympathize with those who have a certain dislike towards him.

[sam20]

I feel like a broken record but I have to reederate, CQs stubbornness really cost us in the last WC. His insane lineup vs England cost us our biggest defeat since the 50s and his lame lineup and first half tactic vs US cost us the Round of 16.

And this was his 3rd WC attempt with the same team not first or 2nd.

So now, I can totally sympathize with those who have a certain dislike towards him.

What cost us the world cup was the fact that he was signed RIGHT before the world cup, with no time to adequately prepare.

Even if he knows it's a long shot for him, he'll take the job anyway right? Who wouldn't?

The timing of the hire left him extremely slim to no chance. Even picking the wrong lineups isn't surprising if that was the case, considering he wasn't with this squad for over 3 years, and it changed a bit during that time.

I blame it on the lack of organization our football unfortunately has.

[sam20]

Valid points bro, i just wished CQ started Ghoddos and hate to say it Basij Torabi vs USA and Karim instead of a gased out and half injured Azmoun and use Azmoun as a sub last 15-20 min, then I really belive we had played Holland in the R16.

Yeah I hear you man. I think it was just too tough of a task for him to come in with so little time to prepare.

If we managed to keep CQ after Asian Cup 2019, we would have been a hell of a team by 2022, and could have even beat Holland!

Look at the massive contrast this disorganized federation brought us instead. Hopefully 2026 will be better somehow!

[Damavand]

What cost us the world cup was the fact that he was signed RIGHT before the world cup, with no time to adequately prepare.

Even if he knows it's a long shot for him, he'll take the job anyway right? Who wouldn't?

The timing of the hire left him extremely slim to no chance. Even picking the wrong lineups isn't surprising if that was the case, considering he wasn't with this squad for over 3 years, and it changed a bit during that time.

I blame it on the lack of organization our football unfortunately has.

He should not have accepted the job if he felt there is too little time to prepare the team. Period. The argument that “who wouldn’t” is a cop out.

He accepted the job and his only genius tactic towards England was to field in a Weird lineup hoping to confuse Southgate and we all saw what happened.

Even after that embarrassing loss the other results went our way so well that we were in the greatest position we had ever been to advance before our last game.

Yet he managed to screw that up as well by having an ultra defensive tactic and fielding slow players in the midfield knowing damn well that the US has speedy midfielders.

No...This failed campaign is all on him without a shadow of a doubt.

[milad_b]

He should not have accepted the job if he felt there is too little time to prepare the team. Period. The argument that “who wouldn’t” is a cop out.

He accepted the job and his only genius tactic towards England was to field in a Weird lineup hoping to confusing Southgate and we all saw what happened.

Even after that embarrassing loss the other results went our way so well that we were in the greatest position we had ever been to advance before our last game.

Yet he managed to screw that up as well by having an ultra defensive tactic and fielding slow players in the midfield knowing damn well that the US has speedy midfielders.

No...This failed campaign is all on him without a shadow of a doubt.

Agha these guys feel embarrassed to say that they were wrong . They don't have the guts to appologize like a man, instead they make stupid excuses to cover the embarrassment caused by CQ. The nonesense excuses like : oh it was the Woman Life Freedome , CQ signed too late etc...

They fail to see the school boy errors by CQ. CQ was mistake for our WC campaigne ! End OFF!

Don't get me wrong I was a CQ fan and I still respect what he did for us in World cup 2018 but honestly his tactics are out dated and EXPIRED!. Maybe if we had him like 15 years ago we would've qualified to next round WC in 2010 (would've qualified) or 2014 (next round), but his tactics are simpley out dated. Now days teams know how to handly parking the bus with compact physical game plan.

[Damavand]

Agha these guys feel embarrassed to say that they were wrong . They don't have the guts to appologize like a man, instead they make stupid excuses to cover the embarrassment caused by CQ. The nonesense excuses like : oh it was the Woman Life Freedome , CQ signed too late etc...

They fail to see the school boy errors by CQ. CQ was mistake for our WC campaigne ! End OFF!

Don't get me wrong I was a CQ fan and I still respect what he did for us in World cup 2018 but honestly his tactics are out dated and EXPIRED!. Maybe if we had him like 15 years ago we would've qualified to next round WC in 2010 (would've qualified) or 2014 (next round), but his tactics are simpley out dated. Now days teams know how to handly parking the bus with compact physical game plan.

Well said. I was also a huge supporter of CQ and had the greatest respect for him up until the time he literally EMBARRASSED us in front of England.

I have been a die hard TM supporter since the late 60s and I never thought I would ever see our beloved team get humiliated like that.

I said it after that loss, the only way for CQ to redeem himself is to get us to the round of 16 which he also failed miserably.

I wish him the best of luck, but I never want to see him in charge of TM again.

[sam20]

He should not have accepted the job if he felt there is too little time to prepare the team. Period. The argument that “who wouldn’t” is a cop out.

He accepted the job and his only genius tactic towards England was to field in a Weird lineup hoping to confuse Southgate and we all saw what happened.

Even after that embarrassing loss the other results went our way so well that we were in the greatest position we had ever been to advance before our last game.

Yet he managed to screw that up as well by having an ultra defensive tactic and fielding slow players in the midfield knowing damn well that the US has speedy midfielders.

No...This failed campaign is all on him without a shadow of a doubt.

He was offered the job and had the confidence to try. We would have stood zero chance with skocic anyway...so once again, I'll stick by my opinion that's it's the lack of organization in our football that's to blame.

[sam20]

Agha these guys feel embarrassed to say that they were wrong . They don't have the guts to appologize like a man, instead they make stupid excuses to cover the embarrassment caused by CQ. The nonesense excuses like : oh it was the Woman Life Freedome , CQ signed too late etc...

They fail to see the school boy errors by CQ. CQ was mistake for our WC campaigne ! End OFF!

Don't get me wrong I was a CQ fan and I still respect what he did for us in World cup 2018 but honestly his tactics are out dated and EXPIRED!. Maybe if we had him like 15 years ago we would've qualified to next round WC in 2010 (would've qualified) or 2014 (next round), but his tactics are simpley out dated. Now days teams know how to handly parking the bus with compact physical game plan.

it's really hard to take you seriously when you can't be mature while chatting in this forum.

[milad_b]

it's really hard to take you seriously when you can't be mature while chatting in this forum.

Did i hit the spot? Normally people who have absolutely nothing to say come up with something like this. I clearly said the facts. WE had the WORST and THE MOST embarrassing WC performance of ALL TIME . Even the 2010 Peformance doesn't match this.

We made fun of saudies for losing to germans by 8 goals now they are making fun of us for losing to the english by 6 goals. Whats more shocking is that we have people here deffending CQ for this poor performance.

[oracle]

He was offered the job and had the confidence to try. We would have stood zero chance with skocic anyway...so once again, I'll stick by my opinion that's it's the lack of organization in our football that's to blame.

2022 wc not advancing from group it was because of woman life freedom movement and nothing else.........tm actually overachieved in 2022 wc.

[koorosh]

2022 wc not advancing from group it was because of woman life freedom movement and nothing else.........tm actually overachieved in 2022 wc.

The whole country in turmoil had nothing to do with our loss.

The chorus of players and coaches slamming the team for meeting Raisi had nothing to do with our loss.

The IR agents and operatives threatening the players for any act of defiance had nothing to do with the loss.

The rift between the bassijis (Torabi and Amiri) and the rest of the team, both being left out had nothing to do with the loss.

The Iranian crowd screaming Bisharaf at the players at two different junctures had nothing to do with us losing.

The loss of our experienced number one keeper 10 minutes into the game had nothing to do with the loss.

It was the just manager's outdated tactics??!



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[milad_b]

2022 wc not advancing from group it was because of woman life freedom movement and nothing else.........tm actually overachieved in 2022 wc.

No it was not but you can go ahead and use that as an excuse. Specially the game against USA, it had nothing to do with women life freedom.....

Why is it so hard for you to accept the fact that CQ was a mistake???? This man has been a failure since 2018. Colombia ,egypt ,iran and now qatar.

[oracle]

The whole country in turmoil had nothing to do with our loss.

The chorus of players and coaches slamming the team for meeting Raisi had nothing to do with our loss.

The IR agents and operatives threatening the players for any act of defiance had nothing to do with the loss.

The rift between the bassijis (Torabi and Amiri) and the rest of the team, both being left out had nothing to do with the loss.

The Iranian crowd screaming Bisharaf at the players at two different junctures had nothing to do with us losing.

The loss of our experienced number one keeper 10 minutes into the game had nothing to do with the loss.

It was the just manager's outdated tactics??!



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I just stood up and gave you standing ovation
For this post.
Iran vs Holland r16 didn't happened because of iran chaos....

[koorosh]

CQ took Egypt to the finals of the African Cup where they were barely beaten. That is not "failure" to any fair minded person. My Egyptian friends were impressed by his achievement inspite of Egypts useless federation.

CQ failed with Colombia but not with Egypt.

CQ made numerous errors with Iran including taking 4 keepers and not taking a full squad, some strange selections top of which was not starting Goddos in every game.

But we lost to England first and foremost because England was far more superior to us. Don't take my word, look up the betting odds... England had 3x the odds of beating us than the reverse. Our best team with Guardiola leading would have lost to England too.

With a far superior team, players In a complete pressure cooker of IR and losing the most experienced and best keeper inside 10 minutes...spells a blowout.

Why don't you praise CQ for picking the completely defeated team off the floor and bring them to beat Wales? That was an amazing achievement!

It is such a joke to blame our performance at WC22 just at the foot of CQ. WC2022 was not a normal WC for Iran... thanks to IR.

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