Iran vs. Qatar - [Match Thread] | Jordan 2023 Intl. Tournament | October 17th |

[PSGman#19]

Getting 3 points with what was going on wasn't just success, it's a miracle.

I thought without how fractured the team is between the team, even as individuals how torn the players were, there would be three heavy defeats.

Without a change in Iran's political situation, we will never see the kind of world cups we have enjoyed in 2014, 2018 and 2022

I hope we will never see a wc like 2022. Wales win Was wonderful but all the rest was plain sh1t

[oracle]

With skocic this would of been tm wc results , nd possibly biravand would of never gotten hurt.

England 3 tm 1
Iran 1 wales 1
iran 0. US 0

3 matches 2 points and for sure no 6-2 lose

[Damavand]

This is what I mean. You're mainly upset because you feel "we got humiliated" .... Emotionally driven hatred towards Carlos Queiroz.... Exactly what I'm talking about.

"lack of organization did not cause CQ to send in that stupid lineup against England, nor did it cause him to implement all the wrong tactics against the US"...... Yes it did... That's what I was saying: you bring in a coach last minute who hasn't been with these players for 3+ years and you expect him to pick the perfect lineup??... You should know this is coming.

If they kept CQ post 2019 AC , we definitely would be in R16. With skocic we would have been demolished and lost anyway

Doesn't make sense to me to suddenly hate Carlos Queiroz guts, just because he took a chance to coach at world cup like anyone else would.... This whole thing of "being humiliated" is all in your head

It was a four goal loss vs one of the best teams in the world who were in great form at the time...+ There are much much worse defeats at world cups regularly.

Hate the lack of organization for causing our failures.

We'll agree to disagree.

First of all it is very impolite to tell someone that their belief is all in their head and it makes for a very weak argument. Just as I am sure you would not like it someone telling you that your belief is all in your head.

So let me say that in my 55 years of following TM there has never been a time where I have witnessed a crappier defeat. Not by a long shot.

Not even In WC 1978 when we were WC debutantes and faced Holland which was pretty much the strongest team in the world, have we been outplayed as much as we were against England. England was just toying with us and it was obvious that they took their foot off the gas after the 6th goal otherwise they could have scored another 2 or 3. We were trailing by 5 goals when we were awarded a lucky penalty by VAR no less, in the dying minute, otherwise it would have been a 5 goal defeat. You don't call this a humiliation ?? What is your definition of a humiliating defeat then, losing by 20 goals.

And I never said the organization is all rosy. They should never have replaced Skocic that late, which is why I am against firing GN until after the AC. But CQ was appointed because they felt he would be a good choice because he was in charge of the team for 8 years, so he wasn't just another coach randomly chosen. There was much higher expectations from him by both the fans and the federation than results he brought us. And we certainly did not expect the wacky decisions he made.

So he is not all innocent in this matter as some of you claim. In fact Being the head coach, he is directly responsible for the team's performance and result.

I am not here to change your opinion so as you said, lets agree to disagree.

[sam20]

First of all it is very impolite to tell someone that their belief is all in their head and it makes for a very weak argument. Just as I am sure you would not like it someone telling you that your belief is all in your head.

So let me say that in my 55 years of following TM there has never been a time where I have witnessed a crappier defeat. Not by a long shot.

Not even In WC 1978 when we were WC debutantes and faced Holland which was pretty much the strongest team in the world, have we been outplayed as much as we were against England. England was just toying with us and it was obvious that they took their foot off the gas after the 6th goal otherwise they could have scored another 2 or 3. We were trailing by 5 goals when we were awarded a lucky penalty by VAR no less, in the dying minute, otherwise it would have been a 5 goal defeat. You don't call this a humiliation ?? What is your definition of a humiliating defeat then, losing by 20 goals.

And I never said the organization is all rosy. They should never have replaced Skocic that late, which is why I am against firing GN until after the AC. But CQ was appointed because they felt he would be a good choice because he was in charge of the team for 8 years, so he wasn't just another coach randomly chosen. There was much higher expectations from him by both the fans and the federation than results he brought us. And we certainly did not expect the wacky decisions he made.

So he is not all innocent in this matter as some of you claim. In fact Being the head coach, he is directly responsible for the team's performance and result.

I am not here to change your opinion so as you said, lets agree to disagree.

By "all in your head" I just meant that it's just your point of view and way of thinking ...And that there's no reason to feel humiliation because of that one defeat, which is not nearly as bad as other defeats that occur at every world cup.... How is that impolite?? This was your misconception.

It's also what makes your argument weak in my opinion. You're just pissed that we lost 6-2 and taking it out on Carlos Queiroz, when he was hired in the absolute last minute.

You just keep focusing on how "embarrassing" you think this result is, comparing it to previous results.... WHO CARES?? ....just isn't even relevant anymore.

The argument was about whether Carlos Queiroz is mainly to blame, or the lack of organization.

This will be my last comment on this. All the best.

[Damavand]

By "all in your head" I just meant that it's just your point of view and way of thinking ...And that there's no reason to feel humiliation because of that one defeat, which is not nearly as bad as other defeats that occur at every world cup.... How is that impolite?? This was your misconception.

It's also what makes your argument weak in my opinion. You're just pissed that we lost 6-2 and taking it out on Carlos Queiroz, when he was hired in the absolute last minute.

You just keep focusing on how "embarrassing" you think this result is, comparing it to previouns results.... WHO CARES?? ....just isn't even relevant anymore.

The argument was about whether Carlos Queiroz is mainly to blame, or the lack of organization.

This will be my last comment on this. All the best.

You did not use the words your point of view, you specifically said all in your head which is not polite.

Now that you have clarified, Yes it is my point of view as well as many others including members in this forum. And WE DO CARE about getting humiliated. And it is very relevant as from now on we will be ridiculed the same way the Saudis are ever since that 8-0 defeat.

Bottom Line is that this was the biggest defeat we ever had at the world stage and I think it’s very embarrassing, while you probably would not have been bothered if we had conceded a few more goals. That’s the difference between you and I.

And just because other teams are also losing big at the WC doesn’t make it OK for it to happen to us. Especially when it was done out of some idiotic line up.

All the best to you as well.

[milad_b]

With skocic this would of been tm wc results , nd possibly biravand would of never gotten hurt.

England 3 tm 1
Iran 1 wales 1
iran 0. US 0

3 matches 2 points and for sure no 6-2 lose

I think we would've won the wales game by any manager. They totally gassed out by 60th minute. The weather really got them hard.

I genuinely think with Skocic in charge we would've got these results:

England 4-0 Iran
Iran 2-1 Wales
Iran 0 - 0 US.

[arj42]

I think we would've won the wales game by any manager. They totally gassed out by 60th minute. The weather really got them hard.

I genuinely think with Skocic in charge we would've got these results:

England 4-0 Iran
Iran 2-1 Wales
Iran 0 - 0 US.

This hurts to read because it’s so true. Each of those scores is such a good prediction and it would’ve got us to round of 16. What the heck was CQ thinking in. That usa match

[a_m]

With skocic this would of been tm wc results , nd possibly biravand would of never gotten hurt.

England 3 tm 1
Iran 1 wales 1
iran 0. US 0

3 matches 2 points and for sure no 6-2 lose

Forget the England game , we would lose that game no matter what ,,

wales we beat them no matter who is coach

this is where someone like skocic would make a difference instead of sitting back the whole game and playing it safe for a 0-0 , which CQ was doing ,

skocic would have told the boys you need to win this game no matter what ….

he would have got the boys to play offensive from minute 1 and not be so defensive,

the USA team was soooo beatable , you score 1 goal on them , they would have to open up sooooo much in that game that someone like ghoddos could have exposed them so badly …

[oracle]

Forget the England game , we would lose that game no matter what ,,

wales we beat them no matter who is coach

this is where someone like skocic would make a difference instead of sitting back the whole game and playing it safe for a 0-0 , which CQ was doing ,

skocic would have told the boys you need to win this game no matter what ….

he would have got the boys to play offensive from minute 1 and not be so defensive,

the USA team was soooo beatable , you score 1 goal on them , they would have to open up sooooo much in that game that someone like ghoddos could have exposed them so badly …

I stop reading when u say tm would of beat wales with any coach🤣🤣🤣🤣 had to respond.
that wales match is probably the biggest win in tm history (outside of asian cup) a 2-0 win against top 20 European team a clean sheet dont get confuse please, ONLY CQ WOULD OF WON IN THAT DOMINATING fashion UNDER CHANTS OF BI SHARAF only shah Carlos could of done that..

11 months have gone by, pain still there. I think is healthy to discuss it now so we can move on.

[Damavand]

Forget the England game , we would lose that game no matter what ,,

wales we beat them no matter who is coach

this is where someone like skocic would make a difference instead of sitting back the whole game and playing it safe for a 0-0 , which CQ was doing ,

skocic would have told the boys you need to win this game no matter what ….

he would have got the boys to play offensive from minute 1 and not be so defensive,

the USA team was soooo beatable , you score 1 goal on them , they would have to open up sooooo much in that game that someone like ghoddos could have exposed them so badly …

Why are we making such a giant out of England ?? They are certainly not more powerful than the Argentina team we faced in 2014 or the Spain/Portugal in 2018.

With the right lineup and tactic I think we could have walked off with a tie.

[The]

Why are we making such a giant out of England ?? They are certainly not more powerful than the Argentina team we faced in 2014 or the Spain/Portugal in 2018.

With the right lineup and tactic I think we could have walked off with a tie.

England was (and still is) one of the best teams in the world. There's no universe in which Iran got anything besides a loss in that match.

[Damavand]

England was (and still is) one of the best teams in the world. There's no universe in which Iran got anything besides a loss in that match.

So in your opinion England will easily beat all those teams that I mentioned ?? I think not.

[oracle]

England got a bad draw in the wc.
I GIVE THEM RESPECT EVEN THEY KNEW THEY WILL FACE FRANCE IF FINISHING FIRST , they had chance to avoid france by finishing 2nd , they did not play for 2nd , THEY SHOULD OF DONE THAT.

england vs france should of been the final.
England would of knocked Argentina out in 2022 wc....

[PSGman#19]

England got a bad draw in the wc.
I GIVE THEM RESPECT EVEN THEY KNEW THEY WILL FACE FRANCE IF FINISHING FIRST , they had chance to avoid france by finishing 2nd , they did not play for 2nd , THEY SHOULD OF DONE THAT.

england vs france should of been the final.
England would of knocked Argentina out in 2022 wc....

England was toothless against the 0/0 draw against USA, was drawing a very weak wales team until HT.

[mehdi13]

England was (and still is) one of the best teams in the world. There's no universe in which Iran got anything besides a loss in that match.

And a heavy loss at that… they were stronger, faster, smarter… toying with TM by playing a very basic football… how can Taremi + 10 hookah smokers defeat a team with players of such quality? Nakone Eskocice madar***** was the missing piece?????