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    Why can't we create good box to box or attacking midfielders in Iran?

    As the title says, I'm at a loss for words about why a country of 90 million people who has a football identity of the "technical" where so many kids have played gol kuchik on streets in small spaces or a country that is constantly in the top 10 for futsal is unable to produce a batch of midfielders that can play box to box or center attacking midfield.

    Futsal is basically quick passing sequences and a thousand small passes to cause a thousand small cuts to the opponent until you find your chance to score. I haven't seen Iran's senior football team seige a team into their 18yard box and constantly zing passes around with attacks for ages while I have seen our futsal team do it. It's always so disjointed and individualistic in football.

    We have enough people who volunteer to play a passable job at GK, enough tall/strong players to play CB(IQ not included). We are constantly with too many wingers I guess based on dribbling and individual talent. Every generation, we seem to get lucky and produce a power forward or two like Daei and Azmoun. Taremi being an anomaly.

    We have not had anyone capable of playing Centre-attacking mid at a high level since Ali Karimi(the Original) and after him Shojaei sometimes when he wasn't being an idiot.

    What's the systemic failure that prevents us making players who have to be creative(which most Iranian players are otherwise) and playmake

    Some might argue that a real "Number 10" is less and less common in the modern game but in that case why are our Centermids not able to dictate play the way they are expected to these days? So where are our 8's and 6s? Where are the Bagheri/Estili's?

    Even for RB/LB we seem to have a failure at making any position of player that can carry the ball up the field and dictate tempo. Now, wingback is the most revolutionized position in modern football expected to cover so much ground and to join attacks constantly and sometimes even drop into the middle of the midfield as an inverted player. We still only seem to make wingbacks(God save Andarz) who run in a straight line until they either run into someone or get a terrible cross off.

    #2
    Ghoddos, Hosseinejad, Salmani
    Shekari could have been one.

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      #3
      Originally posted by PSGman#19 View Post
      Ghoddos, Hosseinejad, Salmani
      Shekari could have been one.
      To be seen about Salmani, Hosseinejad, Shekari

      Ghoddos had absolutely zero development in Iran and is a product of abroad training just like Dejagah. As they have been arguably our best midfielders in the last 5 years at this role (Dejagah last Asian cup), I think it's very telling.

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        #4
        Originally posted by perspolis#1 View Post

        To be seen about Salmani, Hosseinejad, Shekari

        Ghoddos had absolutely zero development in Iran and is a product of abroad training just like Dejagah. As they have been arguably our best midfielders in the last 5 years at this role (Dejagah last Asian cup), I think it's very telling.
        Their blood is Iranian which is a good contribution. I didn't see any quality players coming the big Pakistani/indian communauty of England while being in the country of football and big academies.

        On a serious note, the number 10 position is becoming very rare in today football, even if our football is 10 years behind.

        Looking to IPL shows you most team don't rely on CAM. They mostly rely on counterattack, center from wingers and long shots or bezan ziresh

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          #5
          Will we ever have another Ghassem Hadadifar? What a jewel he was.
          "History is a set of lies that people have agreed upon,"

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            #6
            Originally posted by PSGman#19 View Post

            Their blood is Iranian which is a good contribution. I didn't see any quality players coming the big Pakistani/indian communauty of England while being in the country of football and big academies.

            On a serious note, the number 10 position is becoming very rare in today football, even if our football is 10 years behind.

            Looking to IPL shows you most team don't rely on CAM. They mostly rely on counterattack, center from wingers and long shots or bezan ziresh
            I said it today Number 10 is rare but that doesn't mean other players don't absorb the responsibility on almost every other team.

            Man City--> De Bruyne/Rodri
            Man Utd--> Fernandes
            Arsenal--> Odegaard/Rice
            Barcelona--> De Jong
            Real Madrid--> Modric/Bellingham
            Liverpool---> MacAllister/Thiago
            PSG--> not so much now but before they had Verrati
            Spain---> Busquets/Xavi/Iniesta/Gavi/Pedri/Koke/Rodri.



            Asia:

            Saudi--> Salman Al-Faraj
            Japan--> Minamino/Endo
            Korea--> Lee-Jae Sung



            North America:
            USA--> Musah/Reyna


            South America-->
            Argentina--> Enzo Fernandez/MacAllister.
            Chile--> Arturo Vidal
            Brazil--> Bruno Guimares/Joelinton now

            We have almost zero players like this now at international level besides Ghoddos who can give short passes/break a press/dribble one and start a counter/or switch the play the way these teams have.


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              #7
              Originally posted by perspolis#1 View Post

              I said it today Number 10 is rare but that doesn't mean other players don't absorb the responsibility on almost every other team.

              Man City--> De Bruyne/Rodri
              Man Utd--> Fernandes
              Arsenal--> Odegaard/Rice
              Barcelona--> De Jong
              Real Madrid--> Modric/Bellingham
              Liverpool---> MacAllister/Thiago
              PSG--> not so much now but before they had Verrati
              Spain---> Busquets/Xavi/Iniesta/Gavi/Pedri/Koke/Rodri.



              Asia:

              Saudi--> Salman Al-Faraj
              Japan--> Minamino/Endo
              Korea--> Lee-Jae Sung



              North America:
              USA--> Musah/Reyna


              South America-->
              Argentina--> Enzo Fernandez/MacAllister.
              Chile--> Arturo Vidal
              Brazil--> Bruno Guimares/Joelinton now

              We have almost zero players like this now at international level besides Ghoddos who can give short passes/break a press/dribble one and start a counter/or switch the play the way these teams have.

              The problem is our football doesn't produce good passers. Pass is the basic of football but it is not considered important by our footballi ecosystem. It also require some extra IQ while our players are mostly at Mohebi intelligence level.

              The players you quote are both good passer and with good technique

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                #8
                Biggest issue for cm imo is that our infrastructure is bad. The most critical thing for a midfielder is being able to receive and pass the ball in tight spaces, have good understanding of the entire picture of the pitch. If that can then be combined with strong physique and stamina you have a great midfielder.

                in Iran, even Pgpl pitches are really awful, let alone pitched youth teams use. Now bad pitches are ok up to a certain point, not saying we need phenomenal pitches for every pickup match in Iran. But after a certain stage (let’s say players in top academies, all professional teams, etc) it becomes really critical to have a reliable surface and totally changes the way the game is played. On a bad pitch you cannot risk ball losses due to bad touches, and to minimize risk teams reasonable play more direct, often bypassing cm line altogether. When young CMs grow up in such a system where they are rarely expected to receive the ball in tight spaces and be the key players in the build up play they lose those skills entirely…

                to compound matters is the speed issue. It seems in Iran we emphasize “gardankoloft” looking CMs bc we just want more supposed protection for the back 4. Types like Sarlak, cheshmi, asadi etc come to mind. No consideration is given to the question of whether the guy is even quick enough to cover spaces and be useful to the team in moments of defensive transition or covering spaces out wide or adding himself to the attack. So a profile like khodabandelou is appreciated much less.

                Razzaghinia is the most complete cm talent we have produced in a while. Him moving to EU and having a successful career could change outlook for cm position. Hosseinnejad and Yasin are another 2 very impressive players technically, and hosseinNejad IQ is off the charts, so it’s still possible to produce these types of players but their games needs to be promoted and polished as much as possible.

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                  #9
                  Hosseinejad and Razza need to move to Europe ASAP. But more than anything, we need someone in defensive midfield. The reason our midfield is so dysfunctional is cuz Ezatolahi is dysfunctional. We need to kick him to the bench and try something new at this point. He's demonstrated that his peak is danish second league and he's almost 30 years old himself in 2026. We can try a Ghoddos-Khodabandelou partnership, or invite Rostami and start Hosseinejad as CM after Ghoddos (he is 30).

                  The bigger issue is our coaches have to stop being cowards at trying new things

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                    #10
                    cq is the reason.
                    He changed persian football in club level.
                    teams learned not getting scored on is key to survival and championchip...creative mf has been eliminated from pgl for over decade now...

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                      #11
                      If they could clone a sheep 20 years ago we should be able to clone AK8?
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                      Supporting Team Melli

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Keshwardoost View Post
                        If they could clone a sheep 20 years ago we should be able to clone AK8?
                        If you are not aligned with the regime, it makes no difference. Look at what happened to Payam Sadeghian.
                        "History is a set of lies that people have agreed upon,"

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Ali Doust View Post

                          If you are not aligned with the regime, it makes no difference. Look at what happened to Payam Sadeghian.
                          Regime is garbge, doesn't take away from the fact that Payam Sadeghian was an irresponsible and spoiled brat who didn't know the first thing about professionalism. Him and his buddy Mohsen Mosalman destroyed themselves.

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                            #14
                            "Why can't we create good box to box or attacking midfielders in Iran?"

                            Our league. For three simple reasons:
                            1. No grassroots infrastructure until recently with KIA, Sepahan, Foolad academies. They help but its not enough.
                            2. Lack of play time; you can be a super talented player but you won't start until the age 23-25 so all of those nurturing years go to waste.
                            3. Recent rise of scummy agents selling our young players to Qatar, UAE, Bahrain or teams that won't play them like Charleroi

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nokhodi View Post

                              Regime is garbge, doesn't take away from the fact that Payam Sadeghian was an irresponsible and spoiled brat who didn't know the first thing about professionalism. Him and his buddy Mohsen Mosalman destroyed themselves.
                              Mosalman and Sadeghian they both were doing
                              narcotics.......
                              Both could of been starters this coming ac....


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