Why can't we produce good domestic coach?

[PSGman#19]

Absolutely no link with the other thread on attacking midfield.

We are able to produce world class players like Taremi, AK, Azmoun, Mahdavikia.. But not able to have world standard coach. All thesr despite our reputation of having smart people, access to all big international games on tv, international experience either from former legionnaires or foreigners coming to our domestic football.

Please dont tell me GN, Yahya or Neku are world standard coach, as all of them have the typical iranian coaching shortcomings

[Ali Doust]

We have great followers of Imam Reza. What else can we ask for?

[koorosh]

Good question.

First what is defined as world class? Landing job in the top 5 leagues? Landing a job in Europe? Landing a job anywhere outside Iran? Or being a top ten in the world?

Mehdi Taremi just cracked the Guardian top 100 list, being the first Iranian to do so...at about 80 or 90. So it has been exceptionally rare for us to produce a world class player... So goes for a world class coach.



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[perspolis#1]

Absolutely no link with the other thread on attacking midfield.

We are able to produce world class players like Taremi, AK, Azmoun, Mahdavikia.. But not able to have world standard coach. All thesr despite our reputation of having smart people, access to all big international games on tv, international experience either from former legionnaires or foreigners coming to our domestic football.

Please dont tell me GN, Yahya or Neku are world standard coach, as all of them have the typical iranian coaching shortcomings

There are no high level FIFA classes in Iran. The highest coaching course that is possible in football based on what people believe is the UEFA Pro license. The time and experienced needed to get that as an Iranian is longer than a local license to coach or an AFC one.

It's that exposure that's needed because aliasghari doesn't really evolve over the years but modern football does. 1970s--> total football, 1980s catenaccio--> 1990s direct passing--> 2000s Italy/Brazil---> 2010s Tiki Taka--> 2020's high press, possession(Man City). A world class coach needs to be familiar with all and be able to tactically adapt to changes their opponent makes.

As for coaching PGL level, it is about mentality and vision and most PGL coaches do not aspire to be more than someone big in Iranian football so the ceiling is lower. Why put extra effort when just playing your senior players in a limited strategy wins you the league?

[PSGman#19]

Good question.

First what is defined as world class? Landing job in the top 5 leagues? Landing a job in Europe? Landing a job anywhere outside Iran? Or being a top ten in the world?

Mehdi Taremi just cracked the Guardian top 100 list, being the first Iranian to do so...at about 80 or 90. So it has been exceptionally rare for us to produce a world class player... So goes for a world class coach.



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Not necessarily world class but someone having an eye for coaching, strategy beyond the basic parking the bus/bezan ziresh, able to change/adapt to the game scenario..

[oracle]

iran has the most coaches WITH A license in asia
and it's probably per population number 1 in the world with amount of coaches with A license .

Khodad once say he was waiting inside GHASabi
To get meat, the guy was butchering his meat
told him we are "hamkar" he had coaching A license too.

All over Iran all senior leagues played over 6k matches last year, players, ref,coaches are there .problem is quantity over quality....

[Artaxerxes]

For the same reason why the majority of the iranian people in Iran cant have a good life.

We dont have a system to develop anything, and football is no exeption.

We have so much raw talent in Iran that never flourish because of no system

[Ardalan]

Chon elme footbaalimoon paayine.
(morrabihaaye japoni ba sarmaayegoozaarie dorost elmeshoon rafte bala).
Chon falsafeye footbalimoon be rooz shodeh nist.
Chon footbaalemoon herfeyi nist.

Hala morrabbihaaye Argentina raa bebin:
Scaloni, Simeone, Bielsa, Pochettino.

Farhange footbaalie maa paayine.

[nisfejahan]

In cultures where who you know is more important than what you know, this will be a problem in all fields, including coaching.

The country suffers from an immense management problem because the managers are not there based on merit. We had the same problem during Shah's time, albeit not to the same extent, and it was gradually improving. Then people thought it was not improving fast enough, saw the picture of someone on the moon, and decided to tear everything down. And here we are....

[Azmoun_shireh]

Party bazi aka corruption and old boys club.

[BacheLot]

Chon elme footbaalimoon paayine.
(morrabihaaye japoni ba sarmaayegoozaarie dorost elmeshoon rafte bala).
Chon falsafeye footbalimoon be rooz shodeh nist.
Chon footbaalemoon herfeyi nist.

Hala morrabbihaaye Argentina raa bebin:
Scaloni, Simeone, Bielsa, Pochettino.

Farhange footbaalie maa paayine.

True...!
and to boot these amature self-claimed karshenases get offered obscene figures (relative to their coaching education pedigree and experience) to stay in their comfort zone coaching PGL teams ....hence they dont gain any international experience as a result .... top that off with their club allegiances and partibazi antics on player selections ... they often make the absolute worst coaching Candidates for TM job..!

[Essi]

Actually very good thread and question. TBH I have been thinking about this question many times. I mean Iranian people in general are very smart people and lets not for once blame on the system and damn IR because even in this shitty system we have produced lot of smart and high standard Artists, singer, business man, athletes, Professors, science man but not a single decent coach in international level. And this is not only in football. I mean even in sports that we dominate like Wrestling, futsal we cant export any top international level coaches.

[PSGman#19]

It is deeper than justifying everything through the IR excuse.

Coaching need several qualities at the same time, some of them being opposite to the traditional Iranian character.
In addition to being smart enough to master some 3D strategy (I guess it is within our reach), we also need some hardwork (watching hours of football), being open-minded and curious, not stubborn and conservative, strong mental to resist stress (we are pretty bad usually at it). On top of that, having some charisma and able to speak well to teach/motivate the players..

[taremiscores]

It is deeper than justifying everything through the IR excuse.

Coaching need several qualities at the same time, some of them being opposite to the traditional Iranian character.
In addition to being smart enough to master some 3D strategy (I guess it is within our reach), we also need some hardwork (watching hours of football), being open-minded and curious, not stubborn and conservative, strong mental to resist stress (we are pretty bad usually at it). On top of that, having some charisma and able to speak well to teach/motivate the players..

You need an infrastructure and plan to have success in football. In IR, there is no plan. I read a former Esteghlal player on Twitter who was said nothing has changed in 30 years in IR system for our football. It's the same shit as it was 30 years ago.

That's why PGPL - which is the touchpoint of our footballing woes - recycles the same coaches and players. As Javad Khiabani said, you will not hear most of these U17 players we have now in 5 year because of a terrible sytem. Even Iraq's system is ahead of us. Saudi's system is 1,000 years ahead of ours.

There will be others who sugarcoat this out of pride but it's the truth. Every tournament with our youth teams we see this. Our U23 team didn't even get into the final round of Asian cup ...

[PSGman#19]

You need an infrastructure and plan to have success in football. In IR, there is no plan. I read a former Esteghlal player on Twitter who was said nothing has changed in 30 years in IR system for our football. It's the same shit as it was 30 years ago.

That's why PGPL - which is the touchpoint of our footballing woes - recycles the same coaches and players. As Javad Khiabani said, you will not hear most of these U17 players we have now in 5 year because of a terrible sytem. Even Iraq's system is ahead of us. Saudi's system is 1,000 years ahead of ours.

There will be others who sugarcoat this out of pride but it's the truth. Every tournament with our youth teams we see this. Our U23 team didn't even get into the final round of Asian cup ...

This post is mostly on young players development than overall quality of our coach..

Like said before we have successfull artists, athletes, businesses, engineers.. Coming from our current mess. Coach have the right to develop themselves like in some other sectors. Is it only IR that none of our ex players use their experiences in Bundesliga, la liga, elsewhere in Europe, or coached by blazevic or cq in TM to get to the next level?
Hashemian has a uefa licence and were attending Pep training at Bayern. For what results? GN attended MU and leverkusen training + coached at international level in 2007. All these to watch 2023 games, more focused on the tokhme he is eating that reading between the lines of the game.

Btw Alex Nouri, pooya asgari (?) Ghotbi lived/worked outside Iran and couldn't get that much better our IPL coach