Iran vs. Palestine - [Match Thread] | Asian Cup 2023 | Sunday, January 14th |

[oracle]

Thank u Jose murino(my fav coach when I used to watch Europe football) for not playing sardar against atlanta....hopefully this rest don't meaN he start next match.

JOSE YADET BASHE
SARDAR nimkat bashe

beat is 0 playing time next match.

[oracle]

Niyazmand or Hosseini if biravand gets hurt again?

first of all biravand should not start against HongKong....
If biravand gets hurt and can't go against s.k
imo hossini with his wc experience should start that match and if match go to pk niazmand come in...semi and final same .

[Hosseini]

Niyazmand or Hosseini if biravand gets hurt again?

first of all biravand should not start against HongKong....
If biravand gets hurt and can't go against s.k
imo hossini with his wc experience should start that match and if match go to pk niazmand come in...semi and final same .

Hosseini.. great experience. He should have played vs USA too

[Damavand]

Agha let’s play Japan before the final. As a TM fan, I don’t want an easy draw where we avoid SK until quarterfinal play Qatar in semi and then go and lose final to Japan. Then everyone is praising GN for taking team to final and we stay the team we are and go out in WC group stage.

I’d rather we play the more difficult teams early on, I want challenges for the team. We can’t get challenges from friendlies, we’re always drawn into the most tokhmi qualifying groups. Why are we wanting to run away from these difficult teams? What good is a 2nd place in AC if you’ve only played 1 difficult team up to the final? I am curious to hear other people’s take on this because I truly don’t understand people fixated on the ‘east draw’ path.

Every team in the world wants the easiest route to the final. Do you think Argentina wanted the hard route of meeting France and England before getting to the final at the WC ?? No...they chose the easy way and as luck would have it they even avoided Brazil in the semifinal which would not have been too difficult for them as they play them regularly.

I dislike GN as much as everyone but I would never want my country to get eliminated as early as possible in a tournament as you seem to want to.

[oracle]

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Jam o biyar. B. Khoooneh

[aria32]

Every team in the world wants the easiest route to the final. Do you think Argentina wanted the hard route of meeting France and England before getting to the final at the WC ?? No...they chose the easy way and as luck would have it they even avoided Brazil in the semifinal which would not have been too difficult for them as they play them regularly.

I dislike GN as much as everyone but I would never want my country to get eliminated as early as possible in a tournament as you seem to want to.

I understand your point. I’m not saying let’s get eliminated. I’m saying when do we ever face tough tests. We never play any good opposition. It’s always tokhmi teams. Our team won’t actually improve that way. The Argentina team regularly plays top teams whether in friendlies or in tournaments, they know who they are, their players have played in tough games and matured from it. Our team plays Kenya, Palestine, Syria, and Hong Kong. We don’t even know our best midfield pairing, our defence doesn’t regularly get tested. What’s the point in wishing for an easy path just so you can be happy you’re in second place. It’s much better for the team to face AND overcome tough opponents regularly. That’s the only way our team can make the jump to the next level. The matches where we matured the most in the past 5 years have been: Japan in AC, Wales and US in WC. They haven’t been playing Qatar in the CAFA final…

[Damavand]

I understand your point. I’m not saying let’s get eliminated. I’m saying when do we ever face tough tests. We never play any good opposition. It’s always tokhmi teams. Our team won’t actually improve that way. The Argentina team regularly plays top teams whether in friendlies or in tournaments, they know who they are, their players have played in tough games and matured from it. Our team plays Kenya, Palestine, Syria, and Hong Kong. We don’t even know our best midfield pairing, our defence doesn’t regularly get tested. What’s the point in wishing for an easy path just so you can be happy you’re in second place. It’s much better for the team to face AND overcome tough opponents regularly. That’s the only way our team can make the jump to the next level. The matches where we matured the most in the past 5 years have been: Japan in AC, Wales and US in WC. They haven’t been playing Qatar in the CAFA final…

We will get tested eventually in this tournament, whether its Korea in Quarterfinals or Japan/Australia in the final if we make it. But it’s always best to get as far as in tournament as we can. It’s the General Nature of Survival.

[Rooyintan]

Highly doubt this. A draw would be terrible for Team Melli, GN and Taj, and they will put themselves first before the plight of the Palestinians. I actually hope Palestine gets second place and knocks of UAE (and beats them) but we need to definitely get first in this group to avoid Japan in the knockouts.

I also do not think there will be referee corruption. Referees are seriously evaluated and want to do a good job so they advance in the tournament. Each referee wants to officiate the final and if any major controversies occur that will shatter their chances. This is especially true since it is the first round of matches and referees will want to make their mark on the assignors of the tournament

In the 1980s and 1990s, there were many cases when referees would make calls in favor of Team Melli's opponents specially Arab teams.

2004 and 2015 ACs hosted in China and Australia were perhaps the most corrupt Asian Cups of all time. East Asian sponsors and perhaps East Asian and South East Asian match fixing syndicates were interfering in results, I won't be surprised that the Aussie ref for Iran vs Iraq in 2015 and the Lebanese ref for Iran vs China semi-final in 2004 were paid by either reps/agents of sponsors or match fixing syndicates.

2014 WC, the Serb ref for Iran vs Argentina perhaps the same scenario.

Many times in ACQ, WCQ matches referees from Australia, Malaysia, Singapore, Sri Lanka, and some Arab countries, as well as Russian ref for the CAFA Nations Cup Final between Uzbekistan vs Iran, were either paid to make calls in favor of Team Melli's opponents or were just simply incompetent and should never ever referee a football match.

Enmity towards Iran is not just in Football, it happens in many sports. There were many cases where governments & media & sport reps from UK, USA, France, Hungary, Germany, Italy, Australia, Canada, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Belarus, Ukraine and other countries tried everything to either get Iranian teams or athletes miss out on qualifications by not giving them visa or call for them to be banned from qualification or tournaments or made calls in favor of opponents of Iranian teams/athletes.

[Rooyintan]

the referee for this match is likely to be East Asian, Australian, etc. so even less likely to patry bazi the ref. Too much bias for any other Arab ref to officiate a Palestinian match.

Please refer to 2004 AC semi-final China vs Iran (Leb ref), 2014 WC Argentina vs Iran (Serb ref), 2015 AC Iran vs Iraq (Aussie ref) as just some examples where perhaps tournament sponsors or match fixing syndicates bribed such refs to ensure Team Melli lose or get eliminated. Many times Team Melli had refs from Malaysia, Singapore, Australia, Sri Lanka, Europe who seemed dodgy or corrupt. So I do not just mean Arab refs.

[Hosseini]

This is part of football. Possibly personal bias can come into play, but I doubt there were any "orders" from the top telling the refs to be anti-Iran or a conspiracy against us. Remember, these referees do not want to mess up. Messing up means their career prospects are on the line and they get meticulously assessed for these matches as it determines whether they will continue in the tournament.

For every example you listed, I could also list an example of a referee calling critical decisions in our favor. Iran vs Oman in the round of 16 - the referee should have sent off Majid Hosseini for the 1st minute penalty. It was a red card as well as a penalty (the rule change did not occur yet at that point downgrading a DOGSO (denying an obvious goal scoring) attempt for the ball in the penalty area). In the same game, the referee gave us a penalty which was quite questionable.

In 2022 World Cup Qualifying games the quality of refereeing was excellent for Team Melli. There wasn't a single badly refereed game. Perhaps Iran vs. Lebanon in Mashad was the one exception. In the tournament itself it was good for us. VAR intervention sent off the Wales GK. If there was a conspiracy, wouldn't this have hurt us? Also we were awarded a VAR penalty in Iran-England and avoided a penalty earlier in the game (there was a foul on an England player during a cross).

The Argentina game you mentioned, yes, it was a penalty, but you needed to see it on slow motion to 100 percent determine that. Remember, the referee did not have VAR, was in a poor position, since it was a counter attack, and was far away from the play.

Ben Williams, in 2015, just forgot he gave Pouladi a yellow card when he cautioned him before. It's an unforgivable mistake in a game like that, but not unprecedented. A referee from Croatia-Australia game in the 2006 WC gave a player three yellow cards in one game and it ended his career.

Unless you can prove a referee getting "paid" to call against TM, I don't think it's a good idea to speculate that.

But I do agree with you Iran is a target of many political campaigns due to geopolitics influencing sports, namely the lack of sponsorships (nike and adidas in the world cups), playing games in neutral venues, Ukraine requesting to disqualify us from the WC, our players not getting the same opportunities, the effect of sanctions on sport, etc.

In the 1980s and 1990s, there were many cases when referees would make calls in favor of Team Melli's opponents specially Arab teams.

2004 and 2015 ACs hosted in China and Australia were perhaps the most corrupt Asian Cups of all time. East Asian sponsors and perhaps East Asian and South East Asian match fixing syndicates were interfering in results, I won't be surprised that the Aussie ref for Iran vs Iraq in 2015 and the Lebanese ref for Iran vs China semi-final in 2004 were paid by either reps/agents of sponsors or match fixing syndicates.

2014 WC, the Serb ref for Iran vs Argentina perhaps the same scenario.

Many times in ACQ, WCQ matches referees from Australia, Malaysia, Singapore, Sri Lanka, and some Arab countries, as well as Russian ref for the CAFA Nations Cup Final between Uzbekistan vs Iran, were either paid to make calls in favor of Team Melli's opponents or were just simply incompetent and should never ever referee a football match.

Enmity towards Iran is not just in Football, it happens in many sports. There were many cases where governments & media & sport reps from UK, USA, France, Hungary, Germany, Italy, Australia, Canada, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Belarus, Ukraine and other countries tried everything to either get Iranian teams or athletes miss out on qualifications by not giving them visa or call for them to be banned from qualification or tournaments or made calls in favor of opponents of Iranian teams/athletes.

[Pluto2000]

Niyazmand or Hosseini if biravand gets hurt again?

first of all biravand should not start against HongKong....
If biravand gets hurt and can't go against s.k
imo hossini with his wc experience should start that match and if match go to pk niazmand come in...semi and final same .

I vote for Niazmand. His current form seems to be great. He's also started quite a lot of matches for TM in the past year, so he will feel less pressured than Hossein Hosseini. Lately he's been playing well with his feet and is calm and collected. TBH he is in better form than Beiranvand right now even at club level.

[a_m]

We should be learning from all the mistakes that CQ made at the World Cup

- hosseni was actually better that niezmand and bieryvand , look at the games against wales , he should have played against USA…

-Saman Ghoddos, he should have started at least 2 games , but definitely the last game against the USA he should have played 90 minutes

-Sardar , look how JM used him super sub from minute 70 onward , that how CQ should have used him against the USA…

- clearly it showed we lack pace ,, so we should have used younger players such in defense and midfield…

-we need a psychologist who work with these players for them to stop being so emotional, I know the issue surrounding the team , but Argentina lost against Saudi’s Arabia , they weren’t crying or moaning the walked of the field emotionless and only celebrated when the won the whole thing, our players need to be more stoic , we here for one aim when the Asian cup , that is it ….

[Pluto2000]

We should be learning from all the mistakes that CQ made at the World Cup

- hosseni was actually better that niezmand and bieryvand , look at the games against wales , he should have played against USA…

-Saman Ghoddos, he should have started at least 2 games , but definitely the last game against the USA he should have played 90 minutes

-Sardar , look how JM used him super sub from minute 70 onward , that how CQ should have used him against the USA…

- clearly it showed we lack pace ,, so we should have used younger players such in defense and midfield…

-we need a psychologist who work with these players for them to stop being so emotional, I know the issue surrounding the team , but Argentina lost against Saudi’s Arabia , they weren’t crying or moaning the walked of the field emotionless and only celebrated when the won the whole thing, our players need to be more stoic , we here for one aim when the Asian cup , that is it ….

Lol for AC 2019 CQ brought in one of the top sports psychologist in the world and we still had a breakdown. Not even the best sports psychologist can help Kanaani stop being emotional and googol magooly, it's built into his character.

[Pluto2000]

Side note, something I've noticed is Taremi is guiding our defense last few TM games which is crazy. If you watch first half against Burkina Faso again, he is constantly calling people and pointing them to places and guiding the direction of the team. At one point he told Ezatolahi to go further back and yelled at Milad to cover his guy.

He also constantly hussles back to defend, and I even saw him acting like a LB and CB sometimes 😂

It's crazy how much football intelligence this man has, he brings so much more to the team than just striking. If he ever becomes a coach after retiring he will be a very intelligent one imo with all his experience and vision

[Nokhodi]

We should be learning from all the mistakes that CQ made at the World Cup

- hosseni was actually better that niezmand and bieryvand , look at the games against wales , he should have played against USA…

-Saman Ghoddos, he should have started at least 2 games , but definitely the last game against the USA he should have played 90 minutes

-Sardar , look how JM used him super sub from minute 70 onward , that how CQ should have used him against the USA…

- clearly it showed we lack pace ,, so we should have used younger players such in defense and midfield…

-we need a psychologist who work with these players for them to stop being so emotional, I know the issue surrounding the team , but Argentina lost against Saudi’s Arabia , they weren’t crying or moaning the walked of the field emotionless and only celebrated when the won the whole thing, our players need to be more stoic , we here for one aim when the Asian cup , that is it ….

Re: Hossein - he was atrocious versus England. Beiranvand is better.

Re: Saman - agree

Re: Sardar - agree. he was playing with an injury. 30 minutes at end of each game, or at most a half in each game would have been better.

Re: pace - it is a systemic issue, not necessarily young versus old. We just play a very slow football stuck in the late 90s/early 2000s.

Re: psychologist - underlying issues stemming to childhood and young adolescence can't be fixed that quickly. Our people are prone to panic and hyperbole...