Iran vs. Palestine - [Match Thread] | Asian Cup 2023 | Sunday, January 14th |

[oracle]

I don't think thats the case mashti jan. They played hongkong today and won by 2 goals. I think they played their 3rd team against Palestine. Surely they are not stupid enough to play their first team on 2 subsequent days .

They played against palestine yesterday.
And today they played against hong kong with their 1st team.

Ac 26 players roster was involved.
Worst it was A TEAM second squad ..= to tm second half players against b.f....
it was sympathy tie ....

[milad_b]

Like every other team Saudi has also taken 26 players to Qatar. It is not possible to arrange a 3rd team from 26 players. And obviously no point in using players outside the 26.

So, perhaps they did play with a combination of core and subs but didn't focus too much on scoring but rather on testing tactics. Selecting to play against two of Iran's opponents does raises question as if that was by design or was just based on availability of these teams.

That said, i dont put too much on the final score of these games. When Iran faces Palastine and Hong Kong, it will be a different day and different game and nothing from history will impact the outcome.

I can't really disagree with what you said since I don't have the list but I don't think any manager would risk playing same players in 1 day apart. The game was in saudi so I assume they used outsiders , maybe couple if U23's and other league players.

[milad_b]

Ac 26 players roster was involved.
Worst it was A TEAM second squad ..= to tm second half players against b.f....
it was sympathy tie ....

Up on checking. I found out that

A.) Saudi played with 10 players. salem al dawsari was red carded.
B.) Saudi was defending for most of the game
C.) Saudi fans are not happy with mancini
D.) Mancini had 7 subs.
E.) Mancini Started with their A team .

Saudi fans are scared of Iran and Japan. LOLLLLLL They believe one of them will win the cup. You know something is not right when Saudies believe in us but we don't

Funny thing is that I've also heard Iraqi's say the same thing. They say its either iran or japan.

[Iranianarsenal11]

Up on checking. I found out that

A.) Saudi played with 10 players. salem al dawsari was red carded.
B.) Saudi was defending for most of the game
C.) Saudi fans are not happy with mancini
D.) Mancini had 7 subs.
E.) Mancini Started with their A team .

Saudi fans are scared of Iran and Japan. LOLLLLLL They believe one of them will win the cup. You know something is not right when Saudies believe in us but we don't

Funny thing is that I've also heard Iraqi's say the same thing. They say its either iran or japan.

Sounds like Aussies gonna win it then

[oracle]

Up on checking. I found out that

A.) Saudi played with 10 players. salem al dawsari was red carded.
B.) Saudi was defending for most of the game
C.) Saudi fans are not happy with mancini
D.) Mancini had 7 subs.
E.) Mancini Started with their A team .

Saudi fans are scared of Iran and Japan. LOLLLLLL They believe one of them will win the cup. You know something is not right when Saudies believe in us but we don't

Funny thing is that I've also heard Iraqi's say the same thing. They say its either iran or japan.

I have ksa going to final 4.

[milad_b]

Sounds like Aussies gonna win it then

Plot twist saudies are gonna win it Beating jordan , then aussies , then japan and some team in finals. lol

[milad_b]

I have ksa going to final 4.

Final4 is possible but i don't see Saudies doing it? So they have to beat Jordan and Aussies to reach japan in semi.

[oracle]

Final4 is possible but i don't see Saudies doing it? So they have to beat Jordan and Aussies to reach japan in semi.

What if they finish 2nd on purpose.

Japan o Australia will never finish secon on..purpose. .. but ksa would in heart beat

[milad_b]

What if they finish 2nd on purpose.

Japan o Australia will never finish secon on..purpose. .. but ksa would in heart beat

Then they will face uzbekistan/australia and winner group A which is most likely qatar.

I've said this before, uzbekistan is same level as australia if not better.

[perspolis#1]

Al Jazeera article about Asian cup didnt have Australia as a contender 😲

[Shayan_91]

Up on checking. I found out that

A.) Saudi played with 10 players. salem al dawsari was red carded.
B.) Saudi was defending for most of the game
C.) Saudi fans are not happy with mancini
D.) Mancini had 7 subs.
E.) Mancini Started with their A team .

Saudi fans are scared of Iran and Japan. LOLLLLLL They believe one of them will win the cup. You know something is not right when Saudies believe in us but we don't

Funny thing is that I've also heard Iraqi's say the same thing. They say its either iran or japan.

Interesting. What are the sources of the fan voices? Any forums?

[Nokhodi]

Al Jazeera article about Asian cup didnt have Australia as a contender 😲

tbis is why they’re going to win it all. Flying under the radar with great team mentality. They have no superstars but always run like horses and are the only team that can physically compete with TM.

[Rooyintan]

This is part of football. Possibly personal bias can come into play, but I doubt there were any "orders" from the top telling the refs to be anti-Iran or a conspiracy against us. Remember, these referees do not want to mess up. Messing up means their career prospects are on the line and they get meticulously assessed for these matches as it determines whether they will continue in the tournament.

For every example you listed, I could also list an example of a referee calling critical decisions in our favor. Iran vs Oman in the round of 16 - the referee should have sent off Majid Hosseini for the 1st minute penalty. It was a red card as well as a penalty (the rule change did not occur yet at that point downgrading a DOGSO (denying an obvious goal scoring) attempt for the ball in the penalty area). In the same game, the referee gave us a penalty which was quite questionable.

In 2022 World Cup Qualifying games the quality of refereeing was excellent for Team Melli. There wasn't a single badly refereed game. Perhaps Iran vs. Lebanon in Mashad was the one exception. In the tournament itself it was good for us. VAR intervention sent off the Wales GK. If there was a conspiracy, wouldn't this have hurt us? Also we were awarded a VAR penalty in Iran-England and avoided a penalty earlier in the game (there was a foul on an England player during a cross).

The Argentina game you mentioned, yes, it was a penalty, but you needed to see it on slow motion to 100 percent determine that. Remember, the referee did not have VAR, was in a poor position, since it was a counter attack, and was far away from the play.

Ben Williams, in 2015, just forgot he gave Pouladi a yellow card when he cautioned him before. It's an unforgivable mistake in a game like that, but not unprecedented. A referee from Croatia-Australia game in the 2006 WC gave a player three yellow cards in one game and it ended his career.

Unless you can prove a referee getting "paid" to call against TM, I don't think it's a good idea to speculate that.

But I do agree with you Iran is a target of many political campaigns due to geopolitics influencing sports, namely the lack of sponsorships (nike and adidas in the world cups), playing games in neutral venues, Ukraine requesting to disqualify us from the WC, our players not getting the same opportunities, the effect of sanctions on sport, etc.

OK, Ben Williams made a mistake. However he acknowledged that there is match fixing in Asia.

https://www.sportintegrity.gov.au/ab...s-and-pressure

Here are some cases for match fixing

https://www.the-afc.com/en/more/news...ch-fixing.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a8353616.html

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...715-2q0go.html

So even if let's say sponsors don't bribe referees, match fixing syndicates from East Asia and South East Asia do pay corrupt referees. Just because no one has got caught for AFC Asian Cup doesn't mean it is not happening.

I am still worried for match against Palestine for same reasons I mentioned in my previous posts.

[Kian H]

OK, Ben Williams made a mistake. However he acknowledged that there is match fixing in Asia.

https://www.sportintegrity.gov.au/ab...s-and-pressure

Here are some cases for match fixing

https://www.the-afc.com/en/more/news...ch-fixing.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a8353616.html

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/...715-2q0go.html

So even if let's say sponsors don't bribe referees, match fixing syndicates from East Asia and South East Asia do pay corrupt referees. Just because no one has got caught for AFC Asian Cup doesn't mean it is not happening.

I am still worried for match against Palestine for same reasons I mentioned in my previous posts.

No one is denying that match fixing happens. Its just not a Big conspiracy against Iran. We have had so many decisions going our Way, that you just simply cant conclude that the World of football is against Iran.
Yes, there have also Been many decisions against us. But you conclude in your previous post, that all that is because of match fixing against Iran. That is just bias. Because then you Would also say it was match fixing everytime we Got a decision our Way.

Iran is a victim of many things from the World. Sponsors and so on. The propaganda against Iran is strong. But the World of football waking up and bribing every person in the World, so we wont win an Asian Cup just isnt the case

[milad_b]

Interesting. What are the sources of the fan voices? Any forums?

On their twitter (national team )page, in their comment section and replys section.... They post our result against Indonesia and japans results against Jordan . Its all in arabic i had to translate.

I also watched another clip of Omani tv predicted that Iran and japan will go to final and iran will win the final lol!!!! You know its really bad that other countries believe in our team yer our people hate on our team ! Its just sad.

Same on Iraqi TV.

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I personally think Uzbekistan will shock everyone this year. Top 4 , if not top 2.