How good could we be if....?

[Artaxerxes]

"Its amazing that Iran whit all its problems and lack of support and football infrastructure still produces top asian players and still beats the best team in asia ( japan) imagine if they had the same infrastructure and support as Japan and South Korea have "

Quoted the commentator last night.

What do you guys think? How good of a footballing nation could we be if we had a new government that would support our football like Japan and South Korea gets in their countries?

[Abtin]

To add to this, countries like Japan and SK won't have to worry they didn't win the AC this time, they can give it a go every 4 years cause of mass talent pool and export. Us on the other hand, blew it with our golden generation.

All I had to say.

[perspolis#1]

Honestly screw IR for having their hand in everything and ruining most things... but its not only government.

Japan and SK government is not what makes them good. Its the people in their FA.

IR chooses the people in our IFF and walla they are terrible and worse than the amoos at mehmoonis who are asleep in the chair.

Just look at the US. I promise you their government doesnt care about football(soccer to them) but the people who work in football do. They have completely bypassed Mexico and I imagine will continue to grow because of the long term plans they set.

[PSGman#19]

Honestly screw IR for having their hand in everything and ruining most things... but its not only government.

Japan and SK government is not what makes them good. Its the people in their FA.

IR chooses the people in our IFF and walla they are terrible and worse than the amoos at mehmoonis who are asleep in the chair.

Just look at the US. I promise you their government doesnt care about football(soccer to them) but the people who work in football do. They have completely bypassed Mexico and I imagine will continue to grow because of the long term plans they set.

If politics is what keep us from being a top footballi nation, what explains no iranian born and grown up in the US, Germany, Australia, Sweden, Holland, etc.. Reached the level of the best players of the world, even let's say prime Taremi or Daei ?
It seems we have tons of players with Iranian roots in academies of sweden and Germany. Even if they end choosing another NT, I have never seen a top player coming from there

[Ardalan]

If politics is what keep us from being a top footballi nation, what explains no iranian born and grown up in the US, Germany, Australia, Sweden, Holland, etc.. Reached the level of the best players of the world, even let's say prime Taremi or Daei ?
It seems we have tons of players with Iranian roots in academies of sweden and Germany. Even if they end choosing another NT, I have never seen a top player coming from there

Behtarin footbalisthaaye donya maale tabagheye kargaar hastand.

Iranihaaye biroon az Iran az tabagheye miyaaneye jame'e hastand va emkaneh tahsil darand.

Ma niyaaz darim be parvareshe footbaalist az tabagheye kargaar dar Iran.

Amma bejaash daarim masjed misaazim. RIDIM.

[DR Strangemoosh]

"Its amazing that Iran whit all its problems and lack of support and football infrastructure still produces top asian players and still beats the best team in asia ( japan) imagine if they had the same infrastructure and support as Japan and South Korea have "

Quoted the commentator last night.

What do you guys think? How good of a footballing nation could we be if we had a new government that would support our football like Japan and South Korea gets in their countries?

as soon as revolution happened our 10 year invincible players ended up being bossed by Kuwait.

It's not rocket science to suggest that if this 45 year prison falls we will be back to the best in Asia. Maybe not instantly, but within a few years

[PEJ]

If politics is what keep us from being a top footballi nation, what explains no iranian born and grown up in the US, Germany, Australia, Sweden, Holland, etc.. Reached the level of the best players of the world, even let's say prime Taremi or Daei ?
It seems we have tons of players with Iranian roots in academies of sweden and Germany. Even if they end choosing another NT, I have never seen a top player coming from there

Compared to the Africans and the Turks, we really don’t have that many great young prospects in European countries. I mean now you are even starting to see more Iraqi kids that are all over the European academies.

A lot of that is cultural. Our parents who left Iran are not encouraging the kids to become professional footballers. The only 2 options you have is to become a doctor or engineer.

[perspolis#1]

If politics is what keep us from being a top footballi nation, what explains no iranian born and grown up in the US, Germany, Australia, Sweden, Holland, etc.. Reached the level of the best players of the world, even let's say prime Taremi or Daei ?
It seems we have tons of players with Iranian roots in academies of sweden and Germany. Even if they end choosing another NT, I have never seen a top player coming from there

There is a major difference between Iranians in US/Europe/Australia and Arabs there. Most Iranians abroad fled IR and tended to be from well-off families, political refugees/religious refugees. There is a significant bottleneck effect where they are pushed into higher learning(STEM, business etc) and not sports. This is one of the most Iranian cliches. The world's best players all come from the hood: Messi, Ronaldo, Ibra, Modric, Suarez etc. What Iranians are coming from these areas abroad?


God forbid there's a civil war in Iran and refugees pour into Europe then you'll see some stars.

We have some players abroad in institutions but they are usually well off and no real pressure on them to succeed or sink.

Regardless, the politics is the problem because IN IRAN they are not being good enough. You are telling me the kids who play in Ekbatan can't make it to the top?

Corruption, lack of funding, and disinterest destroys our football everywhere below senior level.


If we made some academies like Qatar did to teach the basics, BASICS (aka our captain Hajsafi still doesn't know how to take a volley from outside the box and the people I play Sunday league with do) we might get somewhere more profound and comforting.

This part of Iranian culture and mindset needs to be destroyed. I'd rather adopt the cold, organized, and calculated German/English/American approach to football training because it gets more results than hoping the next Daei shows up magically.

We get some academies for the basics. Then let the talent we naturally have in our country(40x the population of Qatar) flourish.

[Super Shojaei]

Good government bad government you can still get knocked out by underestimating your opponents . Given that a lot of the major players like hwang hee chan, son heung min, Mitoma , Tomiyasu, Minamino , Lee Kang inn , taremi seemingly all simultaneously underperformed to some degree in the knock out rounds id say it’s a mentality thing. Maybe the top players of Asia don’t really respect the competition anymore I mean Korea conceded 3 against Malaysia and we played badly v Hong Kong - Saudi drew 0-0 with Thailand and put 2 past 9 man Kyrgyzstan results like this make me think players genuinely don’t care about this completion anymore also look at the tonne of the body players of Japan when we equalised their heads were gone much in the same way when we went 2-1 down then 3-2 down our mentality was just weak against an opponent we had zero excuses for losing against

[ShiroKhorshid]

Our diaspora is embarassing in footballing terms. As good as it is to be doctor/mohandes, it unfortunately takes a huge hit on producing footballers in europe.

Just take Suriname as an example. A country in South America with a population of only 600K. Their diaspora of around 400K lives almost entirely in the Netherlands.

Just right now, the following players are Surinamese guys born n rasied in NL: Van Dijk (Liverpool), Gravenberch (Liverpool), Xavi Simons (Red Bull), Malen (Dortmund), Maatsen (Dortmund), Becker (Real Sociedad), Bergwijn (Ajax), ...

Oh yeah, Patrick Kluivert, Edgar Davids, Clarence Seedorf, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Frank Rijkaard, Ruud Gullit, ... also hail from Suriname. All these guys were simply world class players holy sh.

Meanwhile, we got around 1 milion ppl in Europe now. And besides Ghoddos, currently not even 1 player from the diaspora is playing in a top league.

By the way, i didn't take Morocco, Algeria or Turkey as examples, as their diaspora in europe is much bigger than ours.

[Super Shojaei]

Our diaspora is embarassing in footballing terms. As good as it is to be doctor/mohandes, it unfortunately takes a huge hit on producing footballers in europe.

Just take Suriname as an example. A country in South America with a population of only 600K. Their diaspora of around 400K lives almost entirely in the Netherlands.

Just right now, the following players are Surinamese guys born n rasied in NL: Van Dijk (Liverpool), Gravenberch (Liverpool), Xavi Simons (Red Bull), Malen (Dortmund), Maatsen (Dortmund), Becker (Real Sociedad), Bergwijn (Ajax), ...

Oh yeah, Patrick Kluivert, Edgar Davids, Clarence Seedorf, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Frank Rijkaard, Ruud Gullit, ... also hail from Suriname. All these guys were simply world class players holy sh.

Meanwhile, we got around 1 milion ppl in Europe now. And besides Ghoddos, currently not even 1 player from the diaspora is playing in a top league.

By the way, i didn't take Morocco, Algeria or Turkey as examples, as their diaspora in europe is much bigger than ours.

As others mentioned there’s a cultural aspect to it - Iranian parents don’t want to push their kids to become footballers by contrast a Dutch born Moroccan is more likely to use football to escape poverty than an Iranian born in America

[Babak agha]

Our diaspora is embarassing in footballing terms. As good as it is to be doctor/mohandes, it unfortunately takes a huge hit on producing footballers in europe.

Just take Suriname as an example. A country in South America with a population of only 600K. Their diaspora of around 400K lives almost entirely in the Netherlands.

Just right now, the following players are Surinamese guys born n rasied in NL: Van Dijk (Liverpool), Gravenberch (Liverpool), Xavi Simons (Red Bull), Malen (Dortmund), Maatsen (Dortmund), Becker (Real Sociedad), Bergwijn (Ajax), ...

Oh yeah, Patrick Kluivert, Edgar Davids, Clarence Seedorf, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink, Frank Rijkaard, Ruud Gullit, ... also hail from Suriname. All these guys were simply world class players holy sh.

Meanwhile, we got around 1 milion ppl in Europe now. And besides Ghoddos, currently not even 1 player from the diaspora is playing in a top league.

By the way, i didn't take Morocco, Algeria or Turkey as examples, as their diaspora in europe is much bigger than ours.

I rather have a diaspora such as the Iranians than Moroccans or Surinams. All day every day!!!

[ShiroKhorshid]

I rather have a diaspora such as the Iranians than Moroccans or Surinams. All day every day!!!

Thats why i said "our diaspora is embarassing in footballing terms."

Sure, i get that a lot of iranians put education first, but still we must produce way more footballers in EU than we have so far. I mean if a few hundred thousand can produce absoloute world class
players like Seedorf, Gullit, Kluivert, Van Dijk, ... We should have atleast had 20 more Ghoochannejhad, Ghoddos or Dejagah type of level players over the last 2 decades or so.

[Artaxerxes]

Good and interesting points guys, merci.

But i was more thinking about the players INSIDE Iran, the diaspora get their football education and fundementals in another countries systems, and like many of you said, in the diaspora the vast majority choose education and a civil mohandes, doctor and so on careers.

I think that if we had a normal government, a competent IFF whit footballeducated people running it that also get economic support and start investing in academies for the youth whit good coaches and set up a long and good plan we will whitout a doubt be to good for Asia and become a top 15-20 nation in the world that could upset and compete for real in the WC.

Why?

1. We are a fanatic football nation.

2. We have a very large population 85-90 million people.

3. We are very physical and atletic.

4. We have very good technical players because of our goolkochik ( main reason we are a top nation in futsal)

5. We are very gheyrati ( wins you alot if you use it whit a plan and stability)

Like you see above we have EVERY ingridients to become a very good footballing nation beyond Asia, but the last seasonings that are needed to make these ingridients a flawless dish is:

1. A normal democratic government that loves Iran and wants the best for Iran and its people no matter religion, etnicity and beliefs in all aspects= A much happier and mentaly stable nation and people that would reduce our weak asabi mentality we have today and it will also open the door to join the international community, and that would make it easier for us to get more legionners, quality friendlies and get very good coaches that would be willing to live and work in Iran in a more proffesional IPL and youth acadamies.

If you live in a cage like in I.R it will set scars in your mentality, some more than others, for example we where up 1-0 against Qatar but acted like someone killed our parents and lost our heads and the game.

2. Lack of proffesional and footballeducated people in IFF and on top of that no economic support for our football and I.r goons in every camp that spies and record everything the players do or say.

These things can only be solved in a I.R free Iran, we have all we need to succeed as a nation in everything, football is no exeption, we just need a iranian renessance and that is not a small thing, but if we want to achive something we dont have today we need to do stuff that we are NOT doing today, and this will never change as long as we are in chains.

All this is just my personal opinion.

[ShiroKhorshid]

That's the thing, we all know as long as IR is in power, there won't be any progress whatsoever in our country, be it football related or not. That's why it would have been good if we had a bigger pool of diaspora players to choose from.

Man even Curacao is able to field a national team full of Eredivisie and dutch 2nd tier players now, which is a pretty good level for CONCACAF standards. Wouldn't be surprised to see them making the WC by 2030/34.