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    The midfield problem

    I wanted to write this up to express the underlying issues we have had in the midfield for years which have never been addressed at a micro or a macro level.



    The first thing you think of when you hear midfielder is different for everybody.

    For some who idolize Zidane/Pirlo/Busquets , a midfielder is supposed to be an orchestrator of the strings of the rest of the team.
    For some who idolize Kante or Casemiro , a midfielder is the warrior who shields the defense and allows the rest of the team to do its job.
    For some who idolize Iniesta/Modric/Xavi, a midfielder is a maestro who maintains possession and creates chances.

    In Iranian football, we have had lite versions of some of these roles in our midfields of the past.

    Bagheri and Teimourian certainly met the role of destroyer.
    Nekounam helped close off passing lanes, distribute the ball, and even added a threat on set pieces both outside the box and in the box.
    More forward thinking players like Ali Karimi, Navidkia, and Jabbari were players we could consider creators.

    Iranian football has usually emphasized individual play over a team collective for most of its existence, bar a period under Quieroz where team structure was everything. He took out our creative players to make a defensive unit, snubbing Khalatbari/ young Azmoun/Ghoddos for more conservative options sometimes with merit and sometimes being a deadly mistake.

    Since the 2006 World Cup, we have not had a midfield that has been truly dominant in posession. That is an 18 year span for which we have had a dropoff in quality in our midfield that has never returned to the previous level. Putting Branko and his horrid team chemistry aside, we did boast players like Karimi, Zandi, Ando, Nekounam to run a midfield. Now even the specialized roles our midfielders had have become blurred.

    Our play evolved to be more reliant on our forwards and wingers as the creative outlets which coincided with a sudden drop in our midfield quality. I'm sure older members remember the nightmare of having a Pejman Nouri in midfield trying to create chances. For this period, it seemed like any goal we scored was off the bounce of the ball or a striker/winger doing a solo run.

    Unfortunately, time does not stand still and the rest of the world from Qatar to Tajikistan to the US have produced academies to teach the basics of football to the younger players and the baseline level of play of these countries has gone up. Our country still boasts incredible talent on the inside so we have stayed afloat, albeit without much forward progress.

    If we look at the midfield in recent years, its purpose has changed like a pendulum. Under Quieroz, our midfield existed solely to negate the other team or press enough to win it back and get the ball up to forwards. In AC 2019, Dejagah was running the strings as a CM, a position he usually never played prior. In more recent times, Ghoddos has been made our creative outlet. Ezatolahi has stayed consistently in our holding role, getting by on his reputation as a Nekounam regen and his technical ability/passing. Whether he has made the position his own or owns it because of the lack of other options is something many people argue.

    Unfortunately in the 18 years our midfield has fallen off, other teams are producing more well-rounded midfielders and we are struggling to win battles more often in the midfield. Many times in recent years a midfield containing Ezatolahi and another DM have been so slow that turnovers have been frequent and counters deadly. Ghoddos on several ocassions has been tasked with being a ballwinner, something he does out of versatility but not his natural strong suit.

    If we are going to be competitive in world football going forward, we need major changes in our infrastructure, training, and academies to make the players we need.

    A lot of Iranian players have made it as far as they have on individual talent and still lack basic fundamentals even when on the national team. Things like effective trapping, scanning before receiving a pass, bringing a ball under control as soon as possible, and passing into space are modern basics of the game that our midfielders do not regularly do. We have lost many midfield battles as a result. Pep Guardiola has set the trend for recycling a ball back into the midfield and restarting attacks, once one fails . We lack the players to do this and if it doesn't work the first time, we tend to let the other team try until we get the ball back.

    We do not have the money or available foreign professionals Qatar or Saudi does, but establishing academies where players are taught these modern skills to maintain possession under a press(which we have always struggled against), or off the ball movement to make space to beat the line should be a matter of urgency. We should attempt to copy the model of a team like Croatia who despite being a country of only 4 million, consistently makes midfielders that can retain possession even against the world's best. Whether they have a solid striker at the time matters little. Raising the bar of our midfield will shield both our defense and make up for any periods where we lack a striker(such as the impending retirement of Azmoun/Taremi in the next few years).

    We are hopefully going to World cup in 2026 where the teams may still be significantly younger/fresher/faster than us, and only time will tell if we could offset that with experience. What Iran does beyond 2026 will be largely dependent on whether we could keep pace with the ever evolving role of a midfielder. If we stay stagnant and just pick whoever is most technical there regardless of structure without any specialized roles, we will continue to fall behind until one day we will be the ones defending for dear lives against other Asian midfields.








    #2
    Originally posted by perspolis#1 View Post
    I wanted to write this up to express the underlying issues we have had in the midfield for years which have never been addressed at a micro or a macro level.



    The first thing you think of when you hear midfielder is different for everybody.

    For some who idolize Zidane/Pirlo/Busquets , a midfielder is supposed to be an orchestrator of the strings of the rest of the team.
    For some who idolize Kante or Casemiro , a midfielder is the warrior who shields the defense and allows the rest of the team to do its job.
    For some who idolize Iniesta/Modric/Xavi, a midfielder is a maestro who maintains possession and creates chances.

    In Iranian football, we have had lite versions of some of these roles in our midfields of the past.

    Bagheri and Teimourian certainly met the role of destroyer.
    Nekounam helped close off passing lanes, distribute the ball, and even added a threat on set pieces both outside the box and in the box.
    More forward thinking players like Ali Karimi, Navidkia, and Jabbari were players we could consider creators.

    Iranian football has usually emphasized individual play over a team collective for most of its existence, bar a period under Quieroz where team structure was everything. He took out our creative players to make a defensive unit, snubbing Khalatbari/ young Azmoun/Ghoddos for more conservative options sometimes with merit and sometimes being a deadly mistake.

    Since the 2006 World Cup, we have not had a midfield that has been truly dominant in posession. That is an 18 year span for which we have had a dropoff in quality in our midfield that has never returned to the previous level. Putting Branko and his horrid team chemistry aside, we did boast players like Karimi, Zandi, Ando, Nekounam to run a midfield. Now even the specialized roles our midfielders had have become blurred.

    Our play evolved to be more reliant on our forwards and wingers as the creative outlets which coincided with a sudden drop in our midfield quality. I'm sure older members remember the nightmare of having a Pejman Nouri in midfield trying to create chances. For this period, it seemed like any goal we scored was off the bounce of the ball or a striker/winger doing a solo run.

    Unfortunately, time does not stand still and the rest of the world from Qatar to Tajikistan to the US have produced academies to teach the basics of football to the younger players and the baseline level of play of these countries has gone up. Our country still boasts incredible talent on the inside so we have stayed afloat, albeit without much forward progress.

    If we look at the midfield in recent years, its purpose has changed like a pendulum. Under Quieroz, our midfield existed solely to negate the other team or press enough to win it back and get the ball up to forwards. In AC 2019, Dejagah was running the strings as a CM, a position he usually never played prior. In more recent times, Ghoddos has been made our creative outlet. Ezatolahi has stayed consistently in our holding role, getting by on his reputation as a Nekounam regen and his technical ability/passing. Whether he has made the position his own or owns it because of the lack of other options is something many people argue.

    Unfortunately in the 18 years our midfield has fallen off, other teams are producing more well-rounded midfielders and we are struggling to win battles more often in the midfield. Many times in recent years a midfield containing Ezatolahi and another DM have been so slow that turnovers have been frequent and counters deadly. Ghoddos on several ocassions has been tasked with being a ballwinner, something he does out of versatility but not his natural strong suit.

    If we are going to be competitive in world football going forward, we need major changes in our infrastructure, training, and academies to make the players we need.

    A lot of Iranian players have made it as far as they have on individual talent and still lack basic fundamentals even when on the national team. Things like effective trapping, scanning before receiving a pass, bringing a ball under control as soon as possible, and passing into space are modern basics of the game that our midfielders do not regularly do. We have lost many midfield battles as a result. Pep Guardiola has set the trend for recycling a ball back into the midfield and restarting attacks, once one fails . We lack the players to do this and if it doesn't work the first time, we tend to let the other team try until we get the ball back.

    We do not have the money or available foreign professionals Qatar or Saudi does, but establishing academies where players are taught these modern skills to maintain possession under a press(which we have always struggled against), or off the ball movement to make space to beat the line should be a matter of urgency. We should attempt to copy the model of a team like Croatia who despite being a country of only 4 million, consistently makes midfielders that can retain possession even against the world's best. Whether they have a solid striker at the time matters little. Raising the bar of our midfield will shield both our defense and make up for any periods where we lack a striker(such as the impending retirement of Azmoun/Taremi in the next few years).

    We are hopefully going to World cup in 2026 where the teams may still be significantly younger/fresher/faster than us, and only time will tell if we could offset that with experience. What Iran does beyond 2026 will be largely dependent on whether we could keep pace with the ever evolving role of a midfielder. If we stay stagnant and just pick whoever is most technical there regardless of structure without any specialized roles, we will continue to fall behind until one day we will be the ones defending for dear lives against other Asian midfields.






    Very good post agha, I agree on almost everything, but sorry to say, we will never get a proper, stable,modern and forwardthinking federation that could and should make this things happen under this dinosaurregime.

    We do have the money Saudi and Qatar have but our anti iranian government steals it and spends it all on their "marg bar ino on projects" and on top of that we are one of the worlds most outcast nations because of I.R, trust me nothing in Iran will progress under I.R, not just football.

    Sad but true.

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      #3
      Good post.

      Another reason why our midfield in TM sucks is also because of PGPL. Right now our entire youth infrastructure is Sepahan/Foolad/KIA due to their academies. Parasitic clubs like Esteghlal/Persepolis are always buying players from there without developing any of their own. Think about it when was the last time you saw any youth player from PP/Esteghlal academies that did anything meaningful? To an extent, Gol Gohar and Tractor are also similar.


      ALSO on a TM macro level I have to add the following: Even if we had more excellent box-to-box midfielders, would we really play them in this TM? In our current formula we have a midfield of 2+1 in Ghoddos/Ezatollahi with Taremi dropping back to provide support. As long as we rely on Taremi to keep doing this we will have a weaker midfield, unless we switch to a back 3 formation.

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        #4
        The midfield problem is that we don't have ANY decent midfielders. And these "academies" are going to take a decade to get to what we expect. Our best chance is a foreign-borne player who is not good enough to make their birth country team, but is open to playing for their culture-borne country.

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          #5
          Great post by Perspolise#1.

          you should translate it to Farsi and sent it to one of sports publication in Iran.

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            #6
            Originally posted by perspolis#1 View Post
            I wanted to write this up to express the underlying issues we have had in the midfield for years which have never been addressed at a micro or a macro level.



            The first thing you think of when you hear midfielder is different for everybody.

            For some who idolize Zidane/Pirlo/Busquets , a midfielder is supposed to be an orchestrator of the strings of the rest of the team.
            For some who idolize Kante or Casemiro , a midfielder is the warrior who shields the defense and allows the rest of the team to do its job.
            For some who idolize Iniesta/Modric/Xavi, a midfielder is a maestro who maintains possession and creates chances.

            In Iranian football, we have had lite versions of some of these roles in our midfields of the past.

            Bagheri and Teimourian certainly met the role of destroyer.
            Nekounam helped close off passing lanes, distribute the ball, and even added a threat on set pieces both outside the box and in the box.
            More forward thinking players like Ali Karimi, Navidkia, and Jabbari were players we could consider creators.

            Iranian football has usually emphasized individual play over a team collective for most of its existence, bar a period under Quieroz where team structure was everything. He took out our creative players to make a defensive unit, snubbing Khalatbari/ young Azmoun/Ghoddos for more conservative options sometimes with merit and sometimes being a deadly mistake.

            Since the 2006 World Cup, we have not had a midfield that has been truly dominant in posession. That is an 18 year span for which we have had a dropoff in quality in our midfield that has never returned to the previous level. Putting Branko and his horrid team chemistry aside, we did boast players like Karimi, Zandi, Ando, Nekounam to run a midfield. Now even the specialized roles our midfielders had have become blurred.

            Our play evolved to be more reliant on our forwards and wingers as the creative outlets which coincided with a sudden drop in our midfield quality. I'm sure older members remember the nightmare of having a Pejman Nouri in midfield trying to create chances. For this period, it seemed like any goal we scored was off the bounce of the ball or a striker/winger doing a solo run.

            Unfortunately, time does not stand still and the rest of the world from Qatar to Tajikistan to the US have produced academies to teach the basics of football to the younger players and the baseline level of play of these countries has gone up. Our country still boasts incredible talent on the inside so we have stayed afloat, albeit without much forward progress.

            If we look at the midfield in recent years, its purpose has changed like a pendulum. Under Quieroz, our midfield existed solely to negate the other team or press enough to win it back and get the ball up to forwards. In AC 2019, Dejagah was running the strings as a CM, a position he usually never played prior. In more recent times, Ghoddos has been made our creative outlet. Ezatolahi has stayed consistently in our holding role, getting by on his reputation as a Nekounam regen and his technical ability/passing. Whether he has made the position his own or owns it because of the lack of other options is something many people argue.

            Unfortunately in the 18 years our midfield has fallen off, other teams are producing more well-rounded midfielders and we are struggling to win battles more often in the midfield. Many times in recent years a midfield containing Ezatolahi and another DM have been so slow that turnovers have been frequent and counters deadly. Ghoddos on several ocassions has been tasked with being a ballwinner, something he does out of versatility but not his natural strong suit.

            If we are going to be competitive in world football going forward, we need major changes in our infrastructure, training, and academies to make the players we need.

            A lot of Iranian players have made it as far as they have on individual talent and still lack basic fundamentals even when on the national team. Things like effective trapping, scanning before receiving a pass, bringing a ball under control as soon as possible, and passing into space are modern basics of the game that our midfielders do not regularly do. We have lost many midfield battles as a result. Pep Guardiola has set the trend for recycling a ball back into the midfield and restarting attacks, once one fails . We lack the players to do this and if it doesn't work the first time, we tend to let the other team try until we get the ball back.

            We do not have the money or available foreign professionals Qatar or Saudi does, but establishing academies where players are taught these modern skills to maintain possession under a press(which we have always struggled against), or off the ball movement to make space to beat the line should be a matter of urgency. We should attempt to copy the model of a team like Croatia who despite being a country of only 4 million, consistently makes midfielders that can retain possession even against the world's best. Whether they have a solid striker at the time matters little. Raising the bar of our midfield will shield both our defense and make up for any periods where we lack a striker(such as the impending retirement of Azmoun/Taremi in the next few years).

            We are hopefully going to World cup in 2026 where the teams may still be significantly younger/fresher/faster than us, and only time will tell if we could offset that with experience. What Iran does beyond 2026 will be largely dependent on whether we could keep pace with the ever evolving role of a midfielder. If we stay stagnant and just pick whoever is most technical there regardless of structure without any specialized roles, we will continue to fall behind until one day we will be the ones defending for dear lives against other Asian midfields.






            Nice post
            For 7am to come out with this in great.
            i am sure coffee was involved.

            Midfield has always been persian teams strength.
            we are midfield soccer nation.
            Through out history tm had some great midfielders. Just mention 2 ali parvin and ali jabbari.....try to put together tm all time midfielders
            it's hard....

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              #7
              Great write-up.

              One thing I did bring up is that football is going to change again soon if the below proposal from IFAB for offsides are implemented.
              High lines and pressing will be less important. Football will slow down and teams will be more conservative contrary to the intent of this change.

              It will work beautifully for a football like ours which doesn't like speedy, high line play

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                #8
                Nekounam & Ando were our last great midfielders, they were such a good, dynamic duo and complimented each other's play very well when both were employed as a number 6.
                --------------------------Beiranvand-------------------
                --Moharrami----Hosseini--Kanaani----Amiri--
                ------------------Ezatolahi-----Ebrahimi--------------
                --Jahanbaksh---------Ghoddos------------Taremi--
                ---------------------------Azmoun----------------------


                * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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                  #9
                  Something to think about: TM for the past decade or so has emphasized some variant of 4-4-2, 4-1-4-1, etc. Under CQ, we had Ansarifard become a special midfielder. Under Skocic, we played some form of Ezatolahi - Nourallahi combo in his favorite 4-4-2. It's a far cry from how much emphasis we used to have in Branko's poorly ran diamond midfield and GN's favorite 3-5-2. As a team we've put in a lot of emphasis on wing play and striker position for past decade or so, and its result is what we see. Even at youth level we have been emphasizing 4-4-2 with Abdi's team.

                  We have had quite a few midfielder prospects come and go in last 10 years, but because they don't really get given much play time in the limited midfield position, they never develop nor do they go to Europe.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nokhodi View Post
                    Great write-up.

                    One thing I did bring up is that football is going to change again soon if the below proposal from IFAB for offsides are implemented.
                    High lines and pressing will be less important. Football will slow down and teams will be more conservative contrary to the intent of this change.

                    It will work beautifully for a football like ours which doesn't like speedy, high line play
                    ​That is an interesting thing to think about it in regards to how it will affect the global style of play.

                    If it results in defensive lines having a lower block that might add more onus on the midfield to dominate the new available spaces though. Although reducing how much speed affects the game will definitely help our usually slow lines.




                    Originally posted by Pluto2000 View Post
                    Something to think about: TM for the past decade or so has emphasized some variant of 4-4-2, 4-1-4-1, etc. Under CQ, we had Ansarifard become a special midfielder. Under Skocic, we played some form of Ezatolahi - Nourallahi combo in his favorite 4-4-2. It's a far cry from how much emphasis we used to have in Branko's poorly ran diamond midfield and GN's favorite 3-5-2. As a team we've put in a lot of emphasis on wing play and striker position for past decade or so, and its result is what we see. Even at youth level we have been emphasizing 4-4-2 with Abdi's team.

                    We have had quite a few midfielder prospects come and go in last 10 years, but because they don't really get given much play time in the limited midfield position, they never develop nor do they go to Europe.
                    The midfielders in a 4-4-2 need to be absolute engines and versatile. Manchester United had Scholes and Giggs, playmaking/scoring/passing/crossing. Chelsea had Michael Essien and Lampard. We haven't had any players with comparable dynamics like that since Ando/Nekounam.

                    The solution is definitely nuanced but if we incorporated our wingers into the midfield more it might lessen the demand on the two CMs in a 4-4-2.

                    I have never seen TM play 3-5-2 so not sure how it pans out but besides Rezaian being a no defense/all offense RB, not sure we have the Left sided players to pull that off. An interesting question is what to do with the most advanced player of the 5? Put Ghoddos there? Taremi behind two strikers?

                    Most importantly is how we incorporate our squad into the formation to meet their strengths. 3-5-2 might help us reduce the strain by having 5 midfielders but if our 3 centerbacks are all slow and bad in possession(especially with Beiro's footwork), its a major problem.


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                      #11
                      Originally posted by perspolis#1 View Post

                      ​That is an interesting thing to think about it in regards to how it will affect the global style of play.

                      If it results in defensive lines having a lower block that might add more onus on the midfield to dominate the new available spaces though. Although reducing how much speed affects the game will definitely help our usually slow lines.






                      The midfielders in a 4-4-2 need to be absolute engines and versatile. Manchester United had Scholes and Giggs, playmaking/scoring/passing/crossing. Chelsea had Michael Essien and Lampard. We haven't had any players with comparable dynamics like that since Ando/Nekounam.

                      The solution is definitely nuanced but if we incorporated our wingers into the midfield more it might lessen the demand on the two CMs in a 4-4-2.

                      I have never seen TM play 3-5-2 so not sure how it pans out but besides Rezaian being a no defense/all offense RB, not sure we have the Left sided players to pull that off. An interesting question is what to do with the most advanced player of the 5? Put Ghoddos there? Taremi behind two strikers?

                      Most importantly is how we incorporate our squad into the formation to meet their strengths. 3-5-2 might help us reduce the strain by having 5 midfielders but if our 3 centerbacks are all slow and bad in possession(especially with Beiro's footwork), its a major problem.

                      You're right about 4-4-2 needing needing versatile midfielders. That's one issue with TM, Ezatolahi doesn't have the pace to run back to cover for our overlapping fullbacks and we don't have anyone better than him. He's the center of the team and he's very so-so when it comes to playing.

                      Regarding 3-5-2 in TM, I believe it wouldn't work for us since our technique comes from our fullbacks being involved in the attack. I personally believe that the sooner we move to a 4-3-3 the better because it removes one striker for an extra midfielder to make us more stable both in the center and defense. We rotate Taremi and Azmoun like CQ era IMO.

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