Can our football have "killer instinct" without a cultural change?

[perspolis#1]

Another episode of us losing in penalties.

Part of the most successful teams in football is having a killer instinct to grab the game by the neck and dominate and/or to have deadly finishing and execution of our tasks.

For some examples:

1) 2014 WC Germany team was in executing the job with simple chances
2) The old 2000s Manchester United would have deadly counters from nothing and score at any time of a game no matter how the game was going within seconds.
3) Italian defensive teams who can poach goals and kill the game off
4) Liverpool pressing teams to death and scoring in transition
5) Man City or Barcelona passing around and forcing teams to bunker until submission
6) Real Madrid or Bayern anytime
7) Japan playing consistently regarding the score
8) Saudis opportunistically getting back into a game and killing it off( in ACL vs us a lot)
9) Australia running their opponents down in Asia or WC.

Examples go on.

We don't seem to have that mentality at any level.

If we play a weaker team we make stupid mistakes and let them back in(NK and Kyrgyzstan games) or if they are better we wait until we fold(Japan/England) with few exceptions.

The couple times I have seen us play with killer instinct were 2nd half vs Wales/ Japan in AC. I also saw it in a defensive display vs Korea in WC2018 qualifying in Azadi where wr shut them down.


No indication that we could keep up such a performance for 90 minutes consistently.

I know in our culture there is an apparent lack of self confidence for a myriad of factors whether you think its government or parental upbringing( fadaakari culture etc)

Is it possible for us to formulate a football team with the ruthlessness of a Germany/Japan without a broader cultural change(psych/fitness conditioning and also divorcing emotions from work like the Japanese and Germans)?

[Nokhodi]

It’s an academy thing mostly.

you need kids who don’t have reactive, hyperbolic, over emotional, sloganeering types around them. Then you need to drill the basics into them until it’s lifelong muscle memory.

[oracle]

Another episode of us losing in penalties.

Part of the most successful teams in football is having a killer instinct to grab the game by the neck and dominate and/or to have deadly finishing and execution of our tasks.

For some examples:

1) 2014 WC Germany team was in executing the job with simple chances
2) The old 2000s Manchester United would have deadly counters from nothing and score at any time of a game no matter how the game was going within seconds.
3) Italian defensive teams who can poach goals and kill the game off
4) Liverpool pressing teams to death and scoring in transition
5) Man City or Barcelona passing around and forcing teams to bunker until submission
6) Real Madrid or Bayern anytime
7) Japan playing consistently regarding the score
8) Saudis opportunistically getting back into a game and killing it off( in ACL vs us a lot)
9) Australia running their opponents down in Asia or WC.

Examples go on.

We don't seem to have that mentality at any level.

If we play a weaker team we make stupid mistakes and let them back in(NK and Kyrgyzstan games) or if they are better we wait until we fold(Japan/England) with few exceptions.

The couple times I have seen us play with killer instinct were 2nd half vs Wales/ Japan in AC. I also saw it in a defensive display vs Korea in WC2018 qualifying in Azadi where wr shut them down.


No indication that we could keep up such a performance for 90 minutes consistently.

I know in our culture there is an apparent lack of self confidence for a myriad of factors whether you think its government or parental upbringing( fadaakari culture etc)

Is it possible for us to formulate a football team with the ruthlessness of a Germany/Japan without a broader cultural change(psych/fitness conditioning and also divorcing emotions from work like the Japanese and Germans)?

Unfortunately new generation of persians no matter how much we think they are modern, shick, open minded they are brain washed to be bachehayeh imam hussein , and losing with grace and thinking they won which on reality they lost.

[Pluto2000]

IMO it boils down to depth and coaching.

1. The reason why we don't have that "killer" instinct is a lot of our players are just not very good since there is no infrastructure. League quality is complete ass, we're losing to pretty much every gulf or arab team in ACL. When you have no infrastructure and poor league quality, you just can't seriously compete. Even players like Azmoun and Taremi, when you put them against the world class strikers in Serie A like Lukaku, Martinez, Thuram, etc they can't do shit. They end the season scoring 3 goals when all those other people score consistent minimum 10 goals a season. Ezatollahi for all his hype has only scored 1 goal in TM going 10 years and his ceiling turned out to be the Danish league. Our absolute best players are what you would call the "mid" players of top 5 leagues.

2. The above reason is why we fit so well into CQs system. Our "mid" players finally learned to play as a team instead of trying to be individual stars. They had a single mission, defend and counterattack. Everyone had a job, and everybody knew what zones they would run in. Remember when Beiranvand got pissed off at Eza for fucking up his zonal positioning vs Portugal? Under him we built what I call squad "gheyrat". THERE HAS NEVER been a moment in the last 30 years of TM where we played with the same unity as as we did from 2013-2019. Unfortunately the remnants of that are leaving us soon. In a few more years you will see our regression back to playing with 11 individual players on the pitch instead of being an actual team.

[peiman92]

When our players start to treat knockout games/do or die group stage games with the same composure and confidence as other groupstages games, good things will happen. If the AC for example was in league based format, we would have won the title at least 4 or 5 more times.

[webmaster]

The answer to topic question: NO
Because culturaly we lack a lot of patience and do not believe in our youth and our youth have not really shown a high IQ. Just look at our country the trends and what mostly are doing. How can any killer instinct come out when the government has killed their instinct and their ambitions??? In Iran they think a good footballer is the one who dribbles or holds the ball for too long. This thought is hurting us badly.

[oracle]

When our players start to treat knockout games/do or die group stage games with the same composure and confidence as other groupstages games, good things will happen. If the AC for example was in league based format, we would have won the title at least 4 or 5 more times.

Well said.

From 1996 ac 1st game of group stage a 2-1 defeat to Iraq , WE NEVER LOST IN 90 MINUTES OF ACTION IN ASIAN CUP UNTIL 2019 SEMIFINAL,
SPAN OF 23 YEARS .

[Pluto2000]

When our players start to treat knockout games/do or die group stage games with the same composure and confidence as other groupstages games, good things will happen. If the AC for example was in league based format, we would have won the title at least 4 or 5 more times.

Its coaching too. 3 months before AC I made an analysis about Ramin here at the bottom. It was about how he is a defensive liability and GNs system only makes him worse. Come Asian Cup, this dude is so bad at being a defender that he: makes taremi get a red card covering for him, leaves Afif to do whatever he wants, and forgets the concept of an offside as a defender.

Lets ask some important questions here: Why did nobody correct Ramin in the coaching staff in the 10+ games leading to the Asian Cup? Why did GN only take 4 midfielders? Why did he take 6 strikers? Why did he take 2 youth players who are unproven that he wasn't planning on giving time to? Who in their right mind plays 37 year old Ebrahimi thrice in the span of 6 days without rest? Why does he never use his substitutions? Why is his definition of youth playing a left winger as RB? Does he even watch his own league?

Because "footballe digeh" in his own words. Iranian football is dominated by incompetence at every level, especially coaching. We will never get anywhere even if we have 11 Ronaldos on the pitch, if they're managed by old bisavad PGPL coaches. Iranian football needs coaches and staff who: can find the most talented players and incorporate them in, are tactically flexible to recognize player problems, and is strict enough to drop players who underperform. CQ did 2 of those really well and that's why he was so successful in raising this generation, but the you really a whole bunch of them all over the league to truly increase our football level.

If we had a decent coach, there would be none of these players even dreaming of making the next camp: Beiranvand, Kanaani, Shoja, Moghanlou, Niazmand, Nemati, Hardani, etc! There are better players in every position right now! and if not better, there are players who are 10+ years younger that could be incorporated who have higher ceiling!

Having Taj as Federation head doesn't help either because he only appoints useless people at all points and is a corrupt POS.