Possible Team Melli Call Ups Playing Abroad

[Camran khan]

I never said anything you stated after that top club part. I just think that IPL is not that great and I think a lot of us agree.

I know its not great, but people make it seem much weaker than it is... fact is we have some good youngsters who deserve to play in europe, the likes of sadeghian, rahmani, mosalman are quality players. Players like Karimi, Daei, Mahdavikia, Nekounam, Hashemian etc were all products of the IPL. But people dont seem to believe in our youngsters, and they arent given the chance to prove themselves to scouts. Some seem to forget the u23 tournament in Qatar we not only won, but our youngsters also played beautifully under Mansourian. Yet we run after and idolize someone playing in Sweden division 2 just because he plays outside of Iran.

[hzv]

some aria jasoor goals:

http://www.shahrekhabar.com/sport/1387275420777440

[sedee91]

no offense, but if you truly believe so you need to make an appointment with a doctor.

Says a guy whose Avatar picture is of a girl. Speaking of girls we should also do the same for Women's squad as well. But I doubt they would be willing to wear the current outfit we do have, don't you think so Camran?

[khodam]

I think the only thing that attracts CQ to these foreign based players is their sense of discipline. Unfortunately many of our domestic footballers are plagued with the "pahavan-salari" that exists in Iran. These are the likes of Rahmati and yes Karimi and Daie. As great of players they all are, it is sometimes impossible to work with them as a coach. Their lack of respect for the coach, and their team often destroys the team harmony. Perhaps this is why we see players like Bitashour in TM. Yes there are better RB options. But they may not be able to execute CQ's directions as well as Bitashours who has been raised in a more structured systems.

We have all noticed the a more disciplined TM under CQ's coaching. This may be why.

http://footballitarin.com/video_page.php?id=8218

[Camran khan]

Says a guy whose Avatar picture is of a girl. Speaking of girls we should also do the same for Women's squad as well. But I doubt they would be willing to wear the current outfit we do have, don't you think so Camran?

what? Wtf are you talking about?? What does my avatar have got to do anything?? I know you are a respected member of this forum and I didnt mean to offend you, but claiming div 5 in germany>IPL is the most exxagerated statement I have ever heard. Esteghlal beat dynamo kiev 2-1 in a friendly, Perspolis barely lost 2-1 to Bayern munich, yet you think their div 5 is stronger than our league?

[persian-eagle-13]

I think the only thing that attracts CQ to these foreign based players is their sense of discipline. Unfortunately many of our domestic footballers are plagued with the "pahavan-salari" that exists in Iran. These are the likes of Rahmati and yes Karimi and Daie. As great of players they all are, it is sometimes impossible to work with them as a coach. Their lack of respect for the coach, and their team often destroys the team harmony. Perhaps this is why we see players like Bitashour in TM. Yes there are better RB options. But they may not be able to excite CQ's directions as well as Bitashours who has been raised in a more structured systems.

We have all noticed the a more disciplined TM under CQ's coaching. This may be why.

(Disclaimer: As a an Iranian fan, I really like our domestic players get the chance to play in the WC. Honestly, some of these foreign based players would not consider Iran if we were not in the WC.)

more like koon goshadi va soosool bazi more than anything!!!!

[alaph]

I think the only thing that attracts CQ to these foreign based players is their sense of discipline. Unfortunately many of our domestic footballers are plagued with the "pahavan-salari" that exists in Iran. These are the likes of Rahmati and yes Karimi and Daie. As great of players they all are, it is sometimes impossible to work with them as a coach. Their lack of respect for the coach, and their team often destroys the team harmony. Perhaps this is why we see players like Bitashour in TM. Yes there are better RB options. But they may not be able to execute CQ's directions as well as Bitashours who has been raised in a more structured systems.

We have all noticed the a more disciplined TM under CQ's coaching. This may be why.

http://footballitarin.com/video_page.php?id=8218

Aival! he is 100% correct!

[Z Joon]

what? Wtf are you talking about?? What does my avatar have got to do anything?? I know you are a respected member of this forum and I didnt mean to offend you, but claiming div 5 in germany>IPL is the most exxagerated statement I have ever heard. Esteghlal beat dynamo kiev 2-1 in a friendly, Perspolis barely lost 2-1 to Bayern munich, yet you think their div 5 is stronger than our league?

It wasn't Dynamo Kiev's A team if I remember.

[Camran khan]

It wasn't Dynamo Kiev's A team if I remember.

I know, also they were just friendlies, but still saying the fifth division in Germany>IPL is a joke... People at my level could probably play there lol.

[Z Joon]

I know, also they were just friendlies, but still saying the fifth division in Germany>IPL is a joke... People at my level could probably play there lol.

Yes of course I agree those going to find Iranians in 4th divison of college soccer in the US is laughable. I was also not convinced by some iranians playing abroad that were selected in TM, Nazari for ex, I never knew why he was invited, Atashkadeh. But I kind of "felt the vibe" with some players, like Gucci, Davari before they joined TM. And I feel the same about Hasegawa and Im convinced that he will do great.

[K. Nader]

1 and 2. We all know how corrupt IFF is, unfortunately we don't have Nelson Mandela figures to get us out of this corruption for the time being.

3. Jahanbakhsh, Azmoun and ezatollahi are the only exceptions of Iranian players who made it to Europe via Team Melli's youth, all Iran's better players got their contracts by showcasting their skills for the senior team. The IPL is the same league where Mahdavikia, Bagheri and co played before they moved to Europe. What motivation do Iranian talents such as Ezzatollahi have when mediocre players from abroad take their place? Mind you Payam Sadeghian played really well for Iran U23, it's not his fault that his countries youth team is not taken seriously by European scouts.

4. Your claim that the majority of Iran's prospects only care about their pocket is absurd and baseless, you're in no position to make this silly claim. I will not get into this and waste my time on the typical Iranian style of baseless judgement. Omid Nazari is not good enough for TM, and he never will be. I wish him good luck with his career. I will also not get into your analyses of the Iranian culture. But i do agree that CQ is doing a great job, and that change has to start from the root. But IFF was already corrupt when Mahdavikia and co flourished and made us proud all over the world, and rest assured that if Mahdavikia and co did not get the chance to play for their national team no one would've heard from them or seen their talent, Bakhtiar Rahmani is 22 years old and Payam Sadeghian is 21 years of age, and they deserve their chance with TM more than Omid Nazari and the likes.

My hands are tied until Friday so I can't get into a long discussion (despite wanting to). I will address the bolded point. Just watch the video below:

http://footballitarin.com/video_page.php?id=8218

According to you, my claim is baseless. However, Carlos Queiroz, after dealing with our footballing system for two years and a half has come to the same conclusions. He is clearly acknowledging the double standard that exists within the mindset of some players - they'd rather chase wealth and luxury in Iran rather than advance their careers abroad in Europe.

Players like Ansarifard HAD offers from Europe and Kaiser Amir even confirmed this. However, instead of packing up his bags and going abroad when the opportunity was there, Ansarifard decided to go to Persepolis (where he failed miserably). In addition to playing at Tiraktor, Ansarifard has now lost 2 years which he could have potentially spent in Europe. Now, instead of being a worth partner next to Ghoochannejhad or even a competitor for the CF position, Ansarifard remains a far inferior alternative (despite being better relative to other domestic players).

If Esmailzadeh, Ezatollahi, Azmoun, and Jahanbakhsh can all get into Europe without playing for the senior team, so can Sadeghian, Rahmani, etc.

If I recall, didn't Rahmani say he had an offer from a Bundesliga club and would resolve it after Ramezan finished a few months ago? What happened? Sounds more like bazaar garmi and hiking up his own value domestically.

[Camran khan]

My hands are tied until Friday so I can't get into a long discussion (despite wanting to). I will address the bolded point. Just watch the video below:

http://footballitarin.com/video_page.php?id=8218

According to you, my claim is baseless. However, Carlos Queiroz, after dealing with our footballing system for two years and a half has come to the same conclusions. He is clearly acknowledging the double standard that exists within the mindset of some players - they'd rather chase wealth and luxury in Iran rather than advance their careers abroad in Europe.

Players like Ansarifard HAD offers from Europe and Kaiser Amir even confirmed this. However, instead of packing up his bags and going abroad when the opportunity was there, Ansarifard decided to go to Persepolis (where he failed miserably). In addition to playing at Tiraktor, Ansarifard has now lost 2 years which he could have potentially spent in Europe. Now, instead of being a worth partner next to Ghoochannejhad or even a competitor for the CF position, Ansarifard remains a far inferior alternative (despite being better relative to other domestic players).

If Esmailzadeh, Ezatollahi, Azmoun, and Jahanbakhsh can all get into Europe without playing for the senior team, so can Sadeghian, Rahmani, etc.

If I recall, didn't Rahmani say he had an offer from a Bundesliga club and would resolve it after Ramezan finished a few months ago? What happened? Sounds more like bazaar garmi and hiking up his own value domestically.

So you are judging all Iranian players due to Ansarifard?

[K. Nader]

So you are judging all Iranian players due to Ansarifard?

No. Ansarifard is an example. Rahmani was another. You can go through the archives of our players and draw more.

Nemidunam chera ghati mikoni.

[Kiarash]

My hands are tied until Friday so I can't get into a long discussion (despite wanting to).

What happened? I hope you get well soon Kaveh jan.

[Camran khan]

No. Ansarifard is an example. Rahmani was another. You can go through the archives of our players and draw more.

Nemidunam chera ghati mikoni.

Chi ghati kardam?
I mean come on you know as well as me that half of the rumours about our players going to European clubs are just bazargarmi...
I have never heard of Rahmani recieving European offers and declining them, so I can't really comment on that, even IF he actually recieved offers and it was true and just not bazargarmi, which we can't be sure of. Players like Sadeghian have expressed their willingness to go to Europe already.
All the players you mentioned that got in to European clubs without playing for the senior team, I would guess they got scouted when playing for our youth teams, and not everyone will recieve european offers that way. However, it's about their skill and not them playing in Europe, I agree and think it would be really sweet to see such young players rocking it in European clubs, but if they are good enough and perhaps better than some of the players in European clubs despite playing in the IPL they deserve to be called up.