GN and thuggery?

[rugs]

Mentally and tactically broke down?!?!?!
And then u go and tell other people their posts are "out there"......pas be een dige chi begim?

You laugh at an opinion about CQ?!?!

Be careful, soon you will be accused of insulting nane/babaye IPL

[clipsport]

Mentally and tactically broke down?!?!?!

And then u go and tell other people their posts are "out there"......pas be een dige chi begim?

Vaaay cheghadr to oghdeyee hasti baba bikhiyal.

And yes we did brake down after Pooladi was sent off. We conceded 3 goals against Iraq while the bus was still parked. If you have an explanation for that as well, I would like to hear it.

[Ando Teymourian]

Vaaay cheghadr to oghdeyee hasti baba bikhiyal.

And yes we did brake down after Pooladi was sent off. We conceded 3 goals against Iraq while the bus was still parked. If you have an explanation for that as well, I would like to hear it.

The explanation is simple, we didn't park the bus. Not 11 v 11 and not 10 v 11. You probably need to watch the game again, because what your saying only leads me to believe you don't really remember what happened. You have your own narrative, and you go with it.


We had more dangerous chances than Iraq, both 11 v 11 and 10 v 11. That cannot be denied.
Before the red card they only had one shot that was on target. After the red, mentally we were in trouble for about the first 5-7 minutes. However the boys quickly gathered their wits. After the red, we arguably had more dangerous chances then them. If anything, if i was part of the Iraqi team, I would be very unhappy with the game my team played.






And I love how "park the bus" is the new phrase on PFDC. There is always a phrase that people latch on to like sheep and use over and over on this site.

Before it was "headless chicken" that was over used. Any player on any team that made any slightly poor decision during the game was a "headless chicken"

Now its "park the bus". Any game plan that has any semblance to strong defensive play is labelled as parking the bus. The fact that we let UAE pass amongst their defensive line 50 times like a bunch of fools means we "parked the bus". Its not parking the bus, it just means you aren't the tactical football genius you think.

[rugs]

The explanation is simple, we didn't park the bus. Not 11 v 11 and not 10 v 11. You probably need to watch the game again, because what your saying only leads me to believe you don't really remember what happened. You have your own narrative, and you go with it.


We had more dangerous chances than Iraq, both 11 v 11 and 10 v 11. That cannot be denied.
Before the red card they only had one shot that was on target. After the red, mentally we were in trouble for about the first 5-7 minutes. However the boys quickly gathered their wits. After the red, we arguably had more dangerous chances then them. If anything, if i was part of the Iraqi team, I would be very unhappy with the game my team played.


And I love how "park the bus" is the new phrase on PFDC. There is always a phrase that people latch on to like sheep and use over and over on this site.

Before it was "headless chicken" that was over used. Any player on any team that made any slightly poor decision during the game was a "headless chicken"

Now its "park the bus". Any game plan that has any semblance to strong defensive play is labelled as parking the bus. The fact that we let UAE pass amongst their defensive line 50 times like a bunch of fools means we "parked the bus". Its not parking the bus, it just means you aren't the tactical football genius you think.

Well what do you expect. If they don't talk about CQ, IPL, "kool kids" and all the other nonsense they will be forced to talk about the subject of the thread.

I think the last thing anyone wants to do is defend GN.

[clipsport]

The explanation is simple, we didn't park the bus. Not 11 v 11 and not 10 v 11. You probably need to watch the game again, because what your saying only leads me to believe you don't really remember what happened. You have your own narrative, and you go with it.


We had more dangerous chances than Iraq, both 11 v 11 and 10 v 11. That cannot be denied.
Before the red card they only had one shot that was on target. After the red, mentally we were in trouble for about the first 5-7 minutes. However the boys quickly gathered their wits. After the red, we arguably had more dangerous chances then them. If anything, if i was part of the Iraqi team, I would be very unhappy with the game my team played.






And I love how "park the bus" is the new phrase on PFDC. There is always a phrase that people latch on to like sheep and use over and over on this site.

Before it was "headless chicken" that was over used. Any player on any team that made any slightly poor decision during the game was a "headless chicken"

Now its "park the bus". Any game plan that has any semblance to strong defensive play is labelled as parking the bus. The fact that we let UAE pass amongst their defensive line 50 times like a bunch of fools means we "parked the bus". Its not parking the bus, it just means you aren't the tactical football genius you think.

We did park the Bus against Iraq when we went down. The overall match possession was 61-39 in favor of Iraq. Most of that was in the 2nd half and extra time.
Btw you still didn't explain how they were able to score 3 times on us if we didn't break down and played so well as you claim.

[Ando Teymourian]

We did park the Bus against Iraq when we went down. The overall match possession was 61-39 in favor of Iraq. Most of that was in the 2nd half and extra time.
Btw you still didn't explain how they were able to score 3 times on us if we didn't break down and played so well as you claim.

They scored 3 times because they had more players for 80 minutes in a game where a soul crushing refereeing decision changed the course of the tourney.

Now you explain how we scored 3 times while being down a man for so long, in a weakened emotional state, in the harsh heat of that day.

[clipsport]

They scored 3 times because they had more players for 80 minutes in a game where a soul crushing refereeing decision changed the course of the tourney.

Now you explain how we scored 3 times while being down a man for so long, in a weakened emotional state, in the harsh heat of that day.

We only scored 2 goals after Pooladi was sent off (both from corners). They also didn't have more "players" (plural). Look you need to watch the match again.
Everytime we fell behind, we would push forward and score. Then back to bus tactics. Then Iraq scored again and we pushed up and scored and then back to the bus.

Honestly for parts of the match it wasn't even clear as to what the plan was for attacking. I remember when Azmoun got subbed out and Jahanbakhsh came in, we had no strikers on the field. Gucci came in later.

And lets not forget the grassrolling when we were still up 1-0. Honestly I think it was just pathetic that we had to resort to such tactics against a weak team like Iraq.

[Ando Teymourian]

We only scored 2 goals after Pooladi was sent off (both from corners). They also didn't have more "players" (plural). Look you need to watch the match again.
Everytime we fell behind, we would push forward and score. Then back to bus tactics. Then Iraq scored again and we pushed up and scored and then back to the bus.

Honestly for parts of the match it wasn't even clear as to what the plan was for attacking. I remember when Azmoun got subbed out and Jahanbakhsh came in, we had no strikers on the field. Gucci came in later.

And lets not forget the grassrolling when we were still up 1-0. Honestly I think it was just pathetic that we had to resort to such tactics against a weak team like Iraq.

What are you talking about bro? That is english. You clearly can speak English fluently, so I am sure you know "they had more player than us" doesn't make sense. "they had more players than us" does.


Team X has 10 players. Team Y has 11. Team Y has more players than team X.



I didn't know scoring goals off corners were worth less than other goals.


We didn't sit back once we scored. After we scored the 2nd goal, we had several more attacks that could have made it 3-2. Just be honest with yourself dude... I don't know how people can so nonchalantly degrade our team for that game.


And what grassrolling are you talking about? Can you name me 5 instances?

[Kiarash]

GN and thuggery?

GN would have at least taken TM to Semis..

Ridi

[Amin_]

Guys please stop comparing GN to CQ! This is not even a comparison. CQ is a world class respectable coach that can not be compared to any of our previous coaches, whether the domestic or foreign ones!

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Wait, let me get this straight. People are upset because the "popular" side of the discussion is that GN was a crap coach?

Some people seem to forget what GN tried to do with TM and how he tried to stack it with his players until, the "popular" side, meaning everyone in Iran, questioned his sanity.

TM before GN:
TM after GN:

TM under Branko, before GN:
Vahid TALEBLOO
Mohammad NOSRATI
Sattar ZARE
Yahya GOLMOHAMMADI
Hossein KAEBI
Andranik TEYMOURIAN
Mojtaba JABBARI
Mohammad ALAVI
Javad NEKOUNAM
Rasoul KHATIBI
Ali DAEI

Subs: Javad KAZEMIAN
Mehrzad MADANCHI
Siavash AKBARPOUR


Or another one. TM under Branko, before GN:

Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Yahya GOLMOHAMMADI
Ali BADAVI
Ebrahim TAGHIPOUR
Hossein KAEBI
Javad NEKOUNAM
Ali KARIMI
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Ali DAEI
Mehdi RAJABZADEH
Gholamreza ENAYATI

And now

TM after Branko, under GN:

Hassan ROUDBARIAN
Rahman REZAEI
Mehdi MAHDAVIKIA
Jalal HOSSEINI
Hossein KAEBI
Fereydoon ZANDI
Andranik TEYMOURIAN
Javad NEKOUNAM
Ali KARIMI
Vahid HASHEMIAN
Gholamreza ENAYATI


Wow, did you see that? Branko had the likes of Alavi, Akbarpour, Enayati, Khatibi, Rajabzadeh, Badavi and Taghipour in his team.
While GN used Rezaei, Hosseini, Kaabi, Mahdavikia, Zandi, Nekounam, Teymourian, Karimi and Hashemian!
Wow so this must mean that Branko stacked his team with his players, so the likes of Taghipour, Nosrati, Alavi, Badavi, Rajabzadeh and Zare instead of Rezaei, Teymourian, Hashemian, Zandi, Karimi and Mahdavikia

Nice way of comparing, huh?

[Camran khan]

TM under Branko, before GN:
Vahid TALEBLOO
Mohammad NOSRATI
Sattar ZARE
Yahya GOLMOHAMMADI
Hossein KAEBI
Andranik TEYMOURIAN
Mojtaba JABBARI
Mohammad ALAVI
Javad NEKOUNAM
Rasoul KHATIBI
Ali DAEI

Subs: Javad KAZEMIAN
Mehrzad MADANCHI
Siavash AKBARPOUR


Or another one. TM under Branko, before GN:

Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Yahya GOLMOHAMMADI
Ali BADAVI
Ebrahim TAGHIPOUR
Hossein KAEBI
Javad NEKOUNAM
Ali KARIMI
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Ali DAEI
Mehdi RAJABZADEH
Gholamreza ENAYATI

And now

TM after Branko, under GN:

Hassan ROUDBARIAN
Rahman REZAEI
Mehdi MAHDAVIKIA
Jalal HOSSEINI
Hossein KAEBI
Fereydoon ZANDI
Andranik TEYMOURIAN
Javad NEKOUNAM
Ali KARIMI
Vahid HASHEMIAN
Gholamreza ENAYATI


Wow, did you see that? Branko had the likes of Alavi, Akbarpour, Enayati, Khatibi, Rajabzadeh, Badavi and Taghipour in his team.
While GN used Rezaei, Hosseini, Kaabi, Mahdavikia, Zandi, Nekounam, Teymourian, Karimi and Hashemian!
Wow so this must mean that Branko stacked his team with his players, so the likes of Taghipour, Nosrati, Alavi, Badavi, Rajabzadeh and Zare instead of Rezaei, Teymourian, Hashemian, Zandi, Karimi and Mahdavikia

Nice way of comparing, huh?

gol gofti.
Hate somone as much as you want, I doubt anyone thinks of GN as a good coach, but dont twist facts in order to make your point even more clear

[rugs]

TM under Branko, before GN:
Vahid TALEBLOO
Mohammad NOSRATI
Sattar ZARE
Yahya GOLMOHAMMADI
Hossein KAEBI
Andranik TEYMOURIAN
Mojtaba JABBARI
Mohammad ALAVI
Javad NEKOUNAM
Rasoul KHATIBI
Ali DAEI

Subs: Javad KAZEMIAN
Mehrzad MADANCHI
Siavash AKBARPOUR


Or another one. TM under Branko, before GN:

Ebrahim MIRZAPOUR
Yahya GOLMOHAMMADI
Ali BADAVI
Ebrahim TAGHIPOUR
Hossein KAEBI
Javad NEKOUNAM
Ali KARIMI
Alireza VAHEDI-NIKBAKHT
Ali DAEI
Mehdi RAJABZADEH
Gholamreza ENAYATI

And now

TM after Branko, under GN:

Hassan ROUDBARIAN
Rahman REZAEI
Mehdi MAHDAVIKIA
Jalal HOSSEINI
Hossein KAEBI
Fereydoon ZANDI
Andranik TEYMOURIAN
Javad NEKOUNAM
Ali KARIMI
Vahid HASHEMIAN
Gholamreza ENAYATI


Wow, did you see that? Branko had the likes of Alavi, Akbarpour, Enayati, Khatibi, Rajabzadeh, Badavi and Taghipour in his team.
While GN used Rezaei, Hosseini, Kaabi, Mahdavikia, Zandi, Nekounam, Teymourian, Karimi and Hashemian!
Wow so this must mean that Branko stacked his team with his players, so the likes of Taghipour, Nosrati, Alavi, Badavi, Rajabzadeh and Zare instead of Rezaei, Teymourian, Hashemian, Zandi, Karimi and Mahdavikia

Nice way of comparing, huh?

Lol, the ones bringing up other managers are you guys. I'm all for people sticking to the subject!

I really have to LOL at this:

Yes, force feeding us a 36 year old sweeper who had no business in TM and caused outrage in Iran is not an example of this. By the way, he is now an assistant coach for SS under GN.

Again, nice try, you know very well what GN tried to do and every media outlet in Iran called him out for it. Just because you pretend to not remember doesn't mean it didn't happen.

We even had threads here on PFDC where even Esteghlali's were furious with GN....

[rugs]

gol gofti.
Hate somone as much as you want, I doubt anyone thinks of GN as a good coach, but dont twist facts in order to make your point even more clear

You either don't remember or didn't follow Iranian football back then. Everyone, every newspaper, tv show, everyone was calling TM "Esteghlal".

He was criticized so much that they either made him change or he came to his senses.

We even had tons of threads about it here, it was one of the few times in PFDC history where almost everyone, except a few Esteghlalis, were outraged with GN and his decisions.

So please learn the facts before before making silly comments.

[rugs]

Now back to the thread topic

[Amin_]

Lol, the ones bringing up other managers are you guys. I'm all for people sticking to the subject!
I really have to LOL at this:
Yes, force feeding us a 36 year old sweeper who had no business in TM and caused outrage in Iran is not an example of this. By the way, he is now an assistant coach for SS under GN.
Again, nice try, you know very well what GN tried to do and every media outlet in Iran called him out for it. Just because you pretend to not remember doesn't mean it didn't happen.

lol here we go again! I already went through EVERY SINGLE MATCH UNDER GN and counted every single player from Esteghlal used in each match and posted here in PFDC for everyone to see after your baseless lie that he "ignored all other team's players and only played Esteghlali players under his reign". At worst, that was perhaps the case in 1-2 games, that's it!

I already proved to you by numbers and facts that players from Esteghlal were one of the least featured players in TM during his era! The only game I found a significant overuse of Esteghlali players was the UAE friendly that I mentioned earlier.

I'm not making things up like you, my posts are based on facts, which are accessable for everyone on the internet! I don't know what I must do more...


As for Fekri that you keep bringing up every time again as if he was still around at the AC or something
For the nth time:

Fekri at that time won the championship with Esteghlal and was one of the best defenders and THE BEST sweeper in Iran! Just like the fact that you can't play two backs (LB and RB) in a 3-5-2 system, the other fact is that one of the defenders in a 3 men defense (next to two CB's) should be a sweeper! Tell me one more sweeper in Iran at that time who could fill in this spot! I've asked you this question before btw.

Whether we should have played 3-5-2 or not is another whole different duscussion, but ok GN chose for this system in the first few games (because he used to play that system in Esteghlal where he won the title with), so the most logical choice was to get the best sweeper we had in Iran at that time!

When after a short time GN had time to work with the team, he changed to a 4-men defense and naturally got rid of Fekri because he didn't need a sweeper anymore! Perhaps you lack basic football understanding to understand this!

Perhaps YOU forgot, but FYI we only had 1 friendly before the start of the ACQ! The friendly was on 8th of August against UAE and the first ACQ match was only 8 days later and the ones after that vs. Korea and Syria again were only 2 weeks after the first (so in the first week of September). It is only natural for a completely new coach to stick to what he knows in the beginning, especially when you had so few time to prepare before 3 important ACQ games with only 1 friendly game!