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I don't get what the fuss is all about. U-22, U-19 or whatever..
these results reflect the realities of our football. A more than fair outcome, when considering what we put into it.
so why is it that given such "poor" state of football, we still expect "success"?
Are we not the ones with our heads in the sand?
And don't start the shit about this coach or that coach, it all starts from the bottom. it's the culture that is weak.
a bunch overrated cry babies, pretending to be Professional football players.
A bunch of emotional fans believing that these players are "it"..
a fucking joke of a TV Program called 90, putting you all on for 30 years, believing that next week's 90 is going to talk about this failure of this team and all will be fixed after that.
Just be appreciative that you have a world class coach/man like Carlos Qeiroz in charge of TM. the only bright spot in an otherwise shitty footballing country.
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Originally posted by NFL View PostI don't get what the fuss is all about. U-22, U-19 or whatever..
these results reflect the realities of our football. A more than fair outcome, when considering what we put into it.
so why is it that given such "poor" state of football, we still expect "success"?
Are we not the ones with our heads in the sand?
And don't start the shit about this coach or that coach, it all starts from the bottom. it's the culture that is weak.
a bunch overrated cry babies, pretending to be Professional football players.
A bunch of emotional fans believing that these players are "it"..
a fucking joke of a TV Program called 90, putting you all on for 30 years, believing that next week's 90 is going to talk about this failure of this team and all will be fixed after that.
Just be appreciative that you have a world class coach/man like Carlos Qeiroz in charge of TM. the only bright spot in an otherwise shitty footballing country.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/foo...Carlos-Queiroz
Former Old Trafford captain Nemanja Vidic reckons Man United miss Carlos Queiroz
NEMANJA VIDIC believes Manchester United's under scrutiny defence is missing someone of the tactical genius of Carlos Queiroz to shape them into a formidable force.
Queiroz, Sir Alex Ferguson's right hand man, worked tirelessly with the United back five which was rock solid in the 2007-08 season when they won the Premier League and Champions League double.
And Vidic, looking back on his Old Trafford career after joining Inter Milan, doesn't believe there will ever be a stronger defensive unit under new boss Louis van Gaal.
Ferguson, he maintained, had the knack of picking the right players - and in the right positions with the Dutchman still tinkering with formations.
Vidic said: "The defence that year was Wes Brown, Rio Ferdinand, myself and Patrice Evra and we had great balance.
"We worked a lot in training on this defensive shape with Carlos Queiroz. Patrice was the one who was going forward on that left side, almost as a winger.
"Then you had Rio and I in the middle with Wes on the right. He was a natural defender who could get forward as well but with Patrice attacking it gave us the right balance for Wes to stay more in position to stop counter attacks.
"We had a really great balance and we had Edwin van der Sar behind us. He had great experience and was talking to us all the time. He could pass the ball, too.
"He was a great passer, like an outfield player. It was like having a midfielder and goalkeeper behind you. He could pick out passes and you always felt confident giving him the ball.
"But working with Carlos at that time was a big influence on us and that team. Plus, you had to look at the manager too. Sir Alex Ferguson picked the right players in the right positions.
"He had brilliant players in that squad and he got the positions right and that set up the balance of the team. But there were a lot of things which were decisive in that season which all contributed to us doing well.
"The key to that season was the consistency over a number of games throughout the whole season. It was the players, the coaches, the manager.
"The balance of the defence and how we played as a unit over the entire season which brought it all together."
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Who cares about the coaching staff....Come on, our opponents were Vietnam, Kirgistan, Thailand and Yemen, not the likes of Australia, Japan, South Korea etc. Even if our youth teams are coached by idiots, they should beat Asian minnows with ease if they want to succeed outside of Asia!!! Let's face it, our young players simply suck nowadays.
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My good sirs, a little less emotion, a little more logic please. Why do you blame the performance in this tournament on the players, football culture, Instagram and Facebook?!
As far as football culture, facilities, blah blah blah, nothing has changed in Iran since 2012 when we reached the quarterfinals of this tournament out of a tough group including Japan. You think Yemen and Myanmar, two of the poorest, most fcuked up countries in Asia, have better facilities and football culture than e do?! And if anything, playing in the WC and the U-17 WC since 2012 should have lifted our football culture, not hurt it.
As far as the players, how is Ezi a pioneer for Iran and all hope for our future one minute and the next minute and the next minute he should be exiled to Afghanistan and the very reason our whole football program is a failure and having no hope for the future?! For the love of god keep your emotions in balance a little bit - y'all switching sides like Geminis!
If a player can't take corners and the coach asks him to take every corner in the game, is that his fault, or the coach's?! If a team doesn't have pace, it's their fault or the coach's for not adjusting the game plan around that? If a team is relying on high balls, you think they came up with that shit on the field, or someone told them to do that?! Holy crap man, some of you point the blame at everything and everyone, except the person who should take all the blame.
Like I said earlier, outside the U-17 tournament(s) with a super talented team, Doustimehr has made a disgraceful exit in every freakin' tournament he has been in charge of. The man is a one trick pony and doesn't know shit about modern football, does not exude confidence and can not inspire our pleyers and it shows on the field. It even showed on the field in the U-17 tournaments, but we had the individual brilliance to get us through.
You can't always rely on individual brilliance and half your team being 10x better than your opponents to advance in a tournament - that's why you have a coach in the first place, or you can just give the ball to 11 super talented guys and they would still beat their much inferior opponent without anyone sitting on the bench.
And this has nothing to do with vatani vs. foreign coach. Neigher Vingada nor Doustimehr showed anything that we could praise even before they took part in these tournaments. Fire their sorry asses and see how the same teams to do under more capable coaches, who have the will and ability to enforce some discipline on the team so that the players are psyched before a game instead of spending time shopping or posting their pics on Instagram.
Weren't TM players going shopping and posting on FB and Instagram in the Austria camp or when they were in Brazil. Of course they were - that's what all players do. But when you come back to the camp, if you don't have a disciplined environment to take you out of that zone and focus your attention on the game at hand, this is what you get.
And St. Mark said it best... Doustimehr has always treated these guys at kids. 19 year old are NOT kids, they are young men. And to perform like men, they need someone who brings out and nourishes that side of them, not someone who's constantly barking instructions at them from the sideline, like they're 6 year olds playing their 1st football game.
Be a little objective and fair guys, before you always blame everything on our players.
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Originally posted by Bi-honar View PostMy good sirs, a little less emotion, a little more logic please. Why do you blame the performance in this tournament on the players, football culture, Instagram and Facebook?!
As far as football culture, facilities, blah blah blah, nothing has changed in Iran since 2012 when we reached the quarterfinals of this tournament out of a tough group including Japan. You think Yemen and Myanmar, two of the poorest, most fcuked up countries in Asia, have better facilities and football culture than e do?! And if anything, playing in the WC and the U-17 WC since 2012 should have lifted our football culture, not hurt it.
As far as the players, how is Ezi a pioneer for Iran and all hope for our future one minute and the next minute and the next minute he should be exiled to Afghanistan and the very reason our whole football program is a failure and having no hope for the future?! For the love of god keep your emotions in balance a little bit - y'all switching sides like Geminis!
If a player can't take corners and the coach asks him to take every corner in the game, is that his fault, or the coach's?! If a team doesn't have pace, it's their fault or the coach's for not adjusting the game plan around that? If a team is relying on high balls, you think they came up with that shit on the field, or someone told them to do that?! Holy crap man, some of you point the blame at everything and everyone, except the person who should take all the blame.
Like I said earlier, outside the U-17 tournament(s) with a super talented team, Doustimehr has made a disgraceful exit in every freakin' tournament he has been in charge of. The man is a one trick pony and doesn't know shit about modern football, does not exude confidence and can not inspire our pleyers and it shows on the field. It even showed on the field in the U-17 tournaments, but we had the individual brilliance to get us through.
You can't always rely on individual brilliance and half your team being 10x better than your opponents to advance in a tournament - that's why you have a coach in the first place, or you can just give the ball to 11 super talented guys and they would still beat their much inferior opponent without anyone sitting on the bench.
And this has nothing to do with vatani vs. foreign coach. Neigher Vingada nor Doustimehr showed anything that we could praise even before they took part in these tournaments. Fire their sorry asses and see how the same teams to do under more capable coaches, who have the will and ability to enforce some discipline on the team so that the players are psyched before a game instead of spending time shopping or posting their pics on Instagram.
Weren't TM players going shopping and posting on FB and Instagram in the Austria camp or when they were in Brazil. Of course they were - that's what all players do. But when you come back to the camp, if you don't have a disciplined environment to take you out of that zone and focus your attention on the game at hand, this is what you get.
And St. Mark said it best... Doustimehr has always treated these guys at kids. 19 year old are NOT kids, they are young men. And to perform like men, they need someone who brings out and nourishes that side of them, not someone who's constantly barking instructions at them from the sideline, like they're 6 year olds playing their 1st football game.
Be a little objective and fair guys, before you always blame everything on our players.
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Originally posted by Camran khan View PostNo bro, you are very mislead. It is definitely the hair gel that is the main problem.
I think we should have a little experiment for everyone to put this issue to bed once and for all bro. For all those interested, this highly scientific experiment will required the following: A ball, a pair of shoes, a wall, white chalk, and hair gel (any brand would do, but I recommend the absolute cheapest)!
Put on your shoes, grab the ball and draw a 2 m x 2m (6 ft x 6ft) square on a wall at ground level with the chalk. Stand back 6 meters (20 ft.) and try to get the ball in that square with your pass 20 times. Record how many times you were successful out of 20.
Now, put on some hair gel and repeat the above. Please report back if the numbers differ significantly!
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Originally posted by Bi-honar View Post
I think we should have a little experiment for everyone to put this issue to bed once and for all bro. For all those interested, this highly scientific experiment will required the following: A ball, a pair of shoes, a wall, white chalk, and hair gel (any brand would do, but I recommend the absolute cheapest)!
Put on your shoes, grab the ball and draw a 2 m x 2m (6 ft x 6ft) square on a wall at ground level with the chalk. Stand back 6 meters (20 ft.) and try to get the ball in that square with your pass 20 times. Record how many times you were successful out of 20.
Now, put on some hair gel and repeat the above. Please report back if the numbers differ significantly!
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