Navad (90) | Official Thread 2014–15

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This isn't really about Esteghlal (which btw has given Iranian football more players than all those teams you named) or any other club. Please don't mix issues up. My whole point is that this whole "sarbazi" team thing makes no sense is basically ruining the motivation for teams to have youth programs to begin with.

I'm not sure why you are defending such a BS rule. (besides just wanting to disagree with me on all issues)

Another problem that this "sarbazi" rule brings is that it gives an undeserved and unfair advantage to "sarbazi" teams. Do you know what happened to all those players that were banned from their clubs this year b/c of Sarbazi issues. Guess what, they signed with Nirooye Zamini and Fajr Shiraz in Azadegan league. Those two teams basically got a ton of IPL caliber players overnight b/c of this BS rule. I read somewhere that some of the teams in the Azadegan were so angry at what had happened that they threatened to boycott the league this year.

Again you are missing the point.

No one is defending the sarbazi rule.

If it is as you say, then why do Sepahan, Zob Ahan, Malavan, Foolad, etc have flourishing youth programs?

If it is as bad as you say, then why wouldn't they abandon it. But is it not as you and that's why they haven't.

Also, if Esteghlal fans were ever concerned with things unfair, they would have protested the extra home games they received all these years. They would also protest the unfair advantage they get when they are allowed to fill the stands during away matches.

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I compiled a list in which it shows which clubs produced more players (through their youth academy, if the player was part of 2 clubs youth academy i chose the one they spent more years in ) than others to our 2014 WC team, our u-22 team, u-19 team, and u-16 team and look at where esteghlal is and please revise your statement:
Saipa (11)
Foolad (10)
Sepahan (10)
Zob Ahan (6)
Malavan (5)
Persepolis (4)
Esteghlal (4)
Paykan (3)
Fajr (3)
Naft Tehran (2 1/2)
Aluminium Hormozgan (2)
Moghavemat Tehran (2)
PAS (2)
Payam (2)
Gostaresh (2)
Damash (2)
Shamoushak (1)
Mainz 05 (1)
Iranjavan (1)
San Diego State (1)
Shahin (1)
Hertha Berlin (1)
Heerenveen (1)
Mes Kerman (1)
Rah Ahan (1)
Padideh (1)
Tablighat Asar (1)
Tractor (1)
Danesh Feridoun (1)
Shahrdar Ardabil (1)
Saba (1)
Khooneh be Khooneh (1)
Ararat (1/2)

Thank you for the list, I did forget to mention Saipa.

I'm surprised Esteghlal even has 4 players. I imagine that will drop in the coming years.

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I compiled a list in which it shows which clubs produced more players (through their youth academy, if the player was part of 2 clubs youth academy i chose the one they spent more years in ) than others to our 2014 WC team, our u-22 team, u-19 team, and u-16 team and look at where esteghlal is and please revise your statement:
Saipa (11)
Foolad (10)
Sepahan (10)
Zob Ahan (6)
Malavan (5)
Persepolis (4)
Esteghlal (4)
Paykan (3)
Fajr (3)
Naft Tehran (2 1/2)
Aluminium Hormozgan (2)
Moghavemat Tehran (2)
PAS (2)
Payam (2)
Gostaresh (2)
Damash (2)
Shamoushak (1)
Mainz 05 (1)
Iranjavan (1)
San Diego State (1)
Shahin (1)
Hertha Berlin (1)
Heerenveen (1)
Mes Kerman (1)
Rah Ahan (1)
Padideh (1)
Tablighat Asar (1)
Tractor (1)
Danesh Feridoun (1)
Shahrdar Ardabil (1)
Saba (1)
Khooneh be Khooneh (1)
Ararat (1/2)

I was making a historical reference. Whether you like it or not, Esteghlal (along with Perspolis) has historically contributed more to TM than all those other teams. I'm sure some of you would like to think that SS is a small club with no history. Sorry to bring to your attention that it's the other way around.

[rugs]

I was making a historical reference. Whether you like it or not, Esteghlal (along with Perspolis) has historically contributed more to TM than all those other teams. I'm sure some of you would like to think that SS is a small club with no history. Sorry to bring to your attention that it's the other way around.

Actually wrong again.

If you look at the top 20 most capped TM players of all time (you know, "historical") that came up through the youth system there is not a single player from Esteghlal Tehran and only 1 from Perspolis.

PAS had the most.

Pas 3
Tractor Sazi 2
Saipa 1
Bank Melli 1
Esteghlal Ardabil 1
Esteghlal Ahvaz 1
Malavan 1
Ararat 1
Tam Isfahan 1
Aboomoslem 1
Fajr 1
Aref 1
Behzisti Mamoolan 1
Perspolis 1
Alborz 1


So I don't know where you get your information from but you best check it.

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Actually wrong again.

If you look at the top 20 most capped TM players of all time (you know, "historical") that came up through the youth system there is not a single player from Esteghlal Tehran and only 1 from Perspolis.

PAS had the most.

Pas 3
Tractor Sazi 2
Saipa 1
Bank Melli 1
Esteghlal Ardabil 1
Esteghlal Ahvaz 1
Malavan 1
Ararat 1
Tam Isfahan 1
Aboomoslem 1
Fajr 1
Aref 1
Behzisti Mamoolan 1
Perspolis 1
Alborz 1


So I don't know where you get your information from but you best check it.

Aslan to dorost migi. SS has had the same service to Iranian football as Behzisti Mamoolan and Esteghlal Ardebil. Thank you for clearing that up.

btw are you a Pas supporter. B/c if you are that explains why you are so bitter and angry all the time.

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Aslan to dorost migi. SS has had the same service to Iranian football as Behzisti Mamoolan and Esteghlal Ardebil. Thank you for clearing that up.
btw are you a Pas supporter. B/c if you are that explains why you are so bitter and angry all the time.

I think you need to focus on what is being discussed and not get caught up on your club loyalties.

We are discussing youth systems here. I don't know why you get so defensive to the point where you make up stuff.

Esteghlal has and will contribute plenty to TM. They just haven't contributed to youth development. Most Esteghlal Tehran fans know this and constantly complain about it.

And the idea that they don't do so because of the sarbazi issue is nonsense. Then why are other teams continuing to do so and have done so for decades?

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I think you need to focus on what is being discussed and not get caught up on your club loyalties.

We are discussing youth systems here. I don't know why you get so defensive to the point where you make up stuff.

Esteghlal has and will contribute plenty to TM. They just haven't contributed to youth development. Most Esteghlal Tehran fans know this and constantly complain about it.

And the idea that they don't do so because of the sarbazi issue is nonsense. Then why are other teams continuing to do so and have done so for decades?

Well the reason for that is b/c SS is a major club that easily attracts players. That is another explanation as to why they stop caring about youth development. Clubs like Sepahan, Foolad, Saipa usually produce these players and they end up going to Esteghlal and Perspolis for the most part. B/c they can't attract the top talent, they have to resort to making them themselves (Sepahan is a bad example as they have turned into a top club themselves).

But the overall point that I was making is that when a team like SS develops players like Ando, Heydari, Jabbari etc and they get robbed from them b/c of some BS rule, its natural that they stop caring so much about youth development. The fact that they can attract top players from around the country also doesn't help that cause.

btw, Isn't Foolad involved in a major Sarbazi scandal? Aren't a lot of their young players basically getting BS "moafiat Sarbazi" so Foolad can keep them? btw if they are I don't blame them.

[kia]

Teraktor to get Khalilzadeh from Sepahan for sarbazi:

ستاره سپاهان در آستانه پیوستن به تراکتور
شجاع خلیل زاده مدافع تیم فوتبال سپاهان به تیم تراکتورسازی می پیوندد.شهرخبر: این اتفاق در حالی خواهد افتاد که چند ماه پیش شایعه شده بود نام شجاع خلیل زاده هم در بین کسانی است که کارت پایان خدمت آنها مشکل دارد،حتی قرار بر این شد تا در ادامه فصل و با رسیدگی به پرونده این بازیکن همه چیز مشخص شود اما این اتفاق تاکنون نیفتاده است.در هر صورت خلیل زاده از نیم فصل دوم به تبریز می رود و فوتبالش را در تیم تراکتورسازان ادامه خواهد داد.

[persepolisfan]

Wow^ I seriously hate this sarbazi thing. Khalilzadeh has been great this year for sepahan.

[rugs]

Just started.

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Farhad Majidi is the guest.

I know he refused to come on the show for a while so this should be interesting.

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They are showing decent clips from TM's games in Portugal.

[Abtin]

^ I hope clips will come on Facebook about TM.

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Khalilzad caused the penalty for Sepahan... Let's see if it was really a penalty or not.

[rugs]

Khalilzad's penalty was correct.

I've said this before, but he seems to be really dropping form. Maybe he should be playing in Aghili's position in the center instead.