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[Bi-honar]

^^^ Agree with you guys completely. I don't know why he always talks as if someone else is going to do this crap. What exactly does he mean you have to have a better team and players?!

No man, it's your job and you're getting paid to pick the better players and have a better team, so less of these stupid speeches deflecting responsibility elsewhere and more of actually improving our chances so that these types of speeches aren't the only thing we're hearing from you.

Look, I'm very forgiving of a VERY BAD performance or a VERY BAD day, but not of a speech that implies we're going to have many more bad days and performances.

We're talking about Turkmenistan here... not a better team, not a better league, not better players, not better facilities, not better system of governance, not better of anything really.

I don't understand, is he saying that he needs to have the likes of Germany or Spain as a team if he has to beat 150+ ranked teams or even the likes of Japan/Australia/S.Korea who are all ranked lower than us? I mean what exactly is HE saying?!

[Bi-honar]

By the way, in a sign that he absolutely does not want to learn from his mistakes, but is instead interested in blaming others, he went on again to give a scathing criticism of the officiating team. So, don't be surprised if we get screwed Ben Williams style by this Bahraini referee in the future:

به گزارش خبرگزاری مهر، کارلوس کی*روش در نشست خبری پس از بازی با ترکمنستان درباره وقت کشی بازیکنان ترکمنستانی اظهار کرد: امروز سه تیم زمین می جنگیدند. ایران، ترکمنستان و تیم داوری. هم ایران و هم ترکمنستان کار خود را انجام دادند و تیم داوری هم با بی توجهی اش باعث شد چنین اتفاقی بیفتد.

And the STUPIDEST part of this whole thing is that he said in the same interview if we played another 6 hours today, we wouldn't have scored another goal!!! So, why exactly did you need another 6 minutes of injury time from the officiating team if we weren't going to score even in 6 hours?! Just so that we could get scored on in those 6 minutes?!!!

[football.club]

Carlos Queiroz comments on the game

* There are no explainations for that. It is completely our fault for letting this happen. I think if this game took 6 more hours we wouldn't win either. We wasted more than 15 opportunities and that's a bad sign. We are to blame
* Congratulations to the Turkmen national team. They fought very well and got what they wanted.
* I think over 99% of people present at the game agree with me that there should be at least 10 minutes of stoppage time due to all those interruptions.

Good, at least he is taking the responsibility instead of blaming IFF all the time. He had good preparations and I doubt that Turkmenistan got better facilities than Iran. Hopefully in the next few games the team will get better results, if not! its time for CQ to leave. I am not very impressed by his coaching. Clearly if you cant score goals against Turkmenistan you have a big problem to solve. Even though we improved our defense during these four years (except that Turkmenistan scored against us) I cant see any improvments in our attack.

[mahestan]

By the way, in a sign that he absolutely does not want to learn from his mistakes, but is instead interested in blaming others, he went on again to give a scathing criticism of the officiating team. So, don't be surprised if we get screwed Ben Williams style by this Bahraini referee in the future:

به گزارش خبرگزاری مهر، کارلوس کی*روش در نشست خبری پس از بازی با ترکمنستان درباره وقت کشی بازیکنان ترکمنستانی اظهار کرد: امروز سه تیم زمین می جنگیدند. ایران، ترکمنستان و تیم داوری. هم ایران و هم ترکمنستان کار خود را انجام دادند و تیم داوری هم با بی توجهی اش باعث شد چنین اتفاقی بیفتد.

And the STUPIDEST part of this whole thing is that he said in the same interview if we played another 6 hours today, we wouldn't have scored another goal!!! So, why exactly did you need another 6 minutes of injury time from the officiating team if we weren't going to score even in 6 hours?! Just so that we could get scored on in those 6 minutes?!!!

The guy sounds so bipolar. At this point, I honestly think he is doing this just to get fired so he can end his contract with Iran.

[xerexes]

Some of the childish, knee-jerk nonsense you have to scroll through is downright insane.

What's worse… tying Singapore at home in front of your own fans or tying Turkmenistan away? What should Japanese fans be doing right now you hyper-emotional weirdos? Australia are Asian champs and they barely scrapped a win against Kyrgyzstan in a game where they were outshot more than two to one. Should they all be panicking and talking about firing their coaches? Get a grip already.

Nine out of ten times in football when you create chances in the double digits you not only win the game but you win it comfortably. Other times you're let down by your own finishing and the opponent's keeper having a great day.

It's not a "tactical problem" when your guys get one clean chance after another in the six yard box and send them all over the bar or into the keeper. Azmoun alone could have had a hat trick in this game by the 20th minute. If anything, this result is a blessing in disguise for younger players like him and Torabi who are in danger of buying into their own hype. It's enough of a setback to shake them up and keep them from taking results for granted.

[football.club]

It's not a "tactical problem" when your guys get one clean chance after another in the six yard box and send them all over the bar or into the keeper. Azmoun alone could have had a hat trick in this game by the 20th minute. If anything, this result is a blessing in disguise for younger players like him and Torabi who are in danger of buying into their own hype. It's enough of a setback to shake them up and keep them from taking results for granted.

You draw against Turkmenistan = A big tactical problem
Its not like we tied against Belgium, Brazil or Spain

[xerexes]

You draw against Turkmenistan = A big tactical problem
Its not like we tied against Belgium, Brazil or Spain

Oh Sure Because when you understand football like a 14 year old, a tie where you create around 15 chances and a tie where you create only one chance are both the same. This is almost as brilliant as saying 'we beat this team 1-0. This team beat another team 2-0, so we should beat that other team 3-0!'

[Camran khan]

Am I the only one who thought the Bahraini ref was pretty fair? Only thing he did wrong was the amount of minutes added.

[PersianLegion]

Delusional fans logic: What about ....? (fill in the blank Japan, Australia, ....)

[football.club]

Oh Sure Because when you understand football like a 14 year old, a tie where you create around 15 chances and a tie where you create only one chance are both the same. This is almost as brilliant as saying 'we beat this team 1-0. This team beat another team 2-0, so we should beat that other team 3-0!'

A draw is a draw, right?
It doesn't matter if you create 1000 chances, because in the end of the day you either win/lose/draw. Its about being effective something you have to realize. Perhaps in the future when you get older you will understand that when you get a chance (create chances - you should take them), if not you might lose.
No one will remember how many goals or chances you created, or how many times you dribble with the ball. The result is the most important thing and something that will be remembered.

[arash123]

A draw is a draw, right?
It doesn't matter if you create 1000 chances, because in the end of the day you either win/lose/draw. Its about being effective something you have to realize. Perhaps in the future when you get older you will understand that when you get a chance (create chances - you should take them), if not you might lose.
No one will remember how many goals or chances you created, or how many times you dribble with the ball. The result is the most important thing and something that will be remembered.

a tie is a tie, but what he is trying to say is that it isn't a tactical problem when your strikers who are presented opportunity after opportunity cannot finish. that can be fixed much easier than being outcoached or equivalently coached by turkmenistan.

no need to panic yet guys.

[xerexes]

A draw is a draw, right?

Sure, all similar results must have the same causes and there is no nuance involved when you understand football like someone who watches it twice a year.

It doesn't matter if you create 1000 chances, because in the end of the day you either win/lose/draw.

When you're tying to analyze the reasons for your setback and figure out what needs to be fixed moving forward, it absolutely matters if you created a lot of chances as opposed to being neutralized by your opponent and limited to one or two half chances. A tie where your gameplan created a dozen opportunities to finish the game off and your players wasted them is not due to bad tactics. It's due to carelessness and bad finishing.

[Bi-honar]

I don't know which Japan-Singapore game some people are talking about (and not that it has any relevance to our situation), but these are the stats from the game yesterday from theworldgame.sbs.com

Total Shots: Japan 32 - Singapore 3
Shots on Target: Japan 19 - Singapore 1
Corners: Japan 14 - Singapore 0

Unfortunately, they don't have stats for the Turkmenistan-Iran game, but by the looks of it Turkmenistan definitely had more shots, more shots on target and a goal more than Singapore did and we had nowhere near the 32 shots, 19 shots on target or 14 corners.

Having said that, it was a VERY disappointing result for both teams and what separates good from average or bad teams is how they're both going to bounce back from these ties in their respective groups.

Japan are playing Cambodia at home next (last in the group) and we're playing Guam (surprisingly 1st in the group)

[Javeed]

SINGAPORE, June 16 (Reuters) - Asian heavyweights Japan and Iran kicked-off their World Cup bids with surprise draws against Singapore and Turkmenistan on Tuesday as the region's minnows continued to justify the decision for a qualifying revamp.

Singapore owed much to goalkeeper Izwan Mahbud after their goalless draw at the Saitama Stadium, while Turkmenistan's Ruslan Mingazow scored just before halftime in Dashoguz as three-times Asian champions Iran were held 1-1.

Despite their stuttering starts, neither Japan nor Iran should have problems advancing to the next stage as pool winners in an inflated joint World Cup and Asian Cup qualifying second round where 39 teams are split over eight groups.

Asian champions Australia also looked close to suffering a surprise draw but they escaped Bishkek with a 2-1 win over Kyrgyzstan.

The Socceroos were given a dream start as Mile Jedinak's free kick in the second minute bounced into the corner of the net, with the hosts' goalkeeper at fault.

But the visitors were on the backfoot thereafter as Kyrgyzstan, ranked 177th in the world by FIFA, pushed and probed impressively.

Tommy Oar eventually added a 67th-minute second for Australia, who endured a nervy finale after a 92nd-minute goal for the hosts was allowed to stand despite Socceroo claims Almazbek Mirzaliev had handled the ball into the net.

South Korea, who lost the Asian Cup final to Australia in January, had no such trouble in seeing off Myanmar 2-0 away in Bangkok.

Son Heung-min's second-half pile-driver and Lee Jae-sung's first-half opener gave the perennial qualifiers a solid start to Group G.

Arch rivals North Korea, twice World Cup finalists, recorded an impressive 4-2 win over Uzbekistan in Pyongyang for their second win in Group H. The hosts were 4-0 up in 36 minutes.

Elsewhere the other groups have unfamiliar leaders.

Tiny Guam, in Group D with Iran, continued their dream start to the campaign with a 2-1 win over India which left them top of the pool after they recorded their first ever World Cup qualifying victory against Turkmenistan on Thursday.

Lowly Hong Kong top Group C after they overcame Maldives 2-0 at home for their second win in the pool.

While Teerasil Dangda scored both goals as Thailand beat Taiwan 2-0 away to make it two wins from two to lead Group F.

Their Southeast Asian rivals Malaysia endured more misery, however, as they were tanked 6-0 at home by Palestine, the same victory margin China enjoyed in Bhutan.

Asia's road to Russia 2018 resumes in September.

http://trove.com/a/WRAPUP-1-Soccer-J...50007F01004198

[xerexes]

Gotta love the usual nonsense strawman post after I brought up Japan Japan and Iran both had frustrating results against teams they dominated and should have beaten, but let's worry about the exact number of shots and corners instead of mentioning that we were playing away while Japan was enjoying home support...

When both teams created over a DOZEN scoring opportunities, the exact number is irrelevant. What matters is both would have demolished the opposing team by just converting half of their chances. That's it. In the end we were both let down by poor finishing and some great goalkeeping from the other side. It happens. And while it's far worse for Japan to drop points at home than for us to drop them away, both teams will eventually advance to the final round comfortably.