Kafashian will meet CQ on Thursday to finalize the contract

[rugs]

Not sure who this is directed at, but I am certainly disapointed in you Rugs. You were the same person who gets attacked in the General forum all time as being an IR supporter etc, and I expected you to be the last person to label someone because of the position he or she takes. Really truly never expected you to call someone an IR or anything supporter. This is a discussion forum after all is it not?

I wasn't referring to you.

And there is a difference between calling someone an IR supporter and flatly rejecting everything they say based on that.... and dismissing someone's comments because they believe the concerns of a gov't official in a corrupt gov't should carry weight when selecting a TM manager.

[Bi-honar]

Team v t e
Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts
Iran 8 5 1 2 8 2 +6 16
South Korea 8 4 2 2 13 7 +6 14
Uzbekistan 8 4 2 2 11 6 +5 14
Qatar 8 2 1 5 5 13 −8 7
Lebanon 8 1 2 5 3 12 −9 5

You have to look at the overall record under CQ Kiarash jaan, and that's not any better than Ghotbi, Daei or even Ghalenoi unfortunately:

Manager P W D L Win%
Ghalenoi 17 10 6 1 59
Daei 24 15 6 3 63
Ghotbi 30 16 6 8 53
CQ 41 20 14 7 49

Not that I dislike the guy, but I think performance and results should be a part of our evaluation as they would be with any other job or person. Nothing would make me happier than coming and saying CQ khodast IF we win the Asian Cup or even lose any time past the quarters, but put on a good convincing show.

[Kiarash]

You have to look at the overall record under CQ Kiarash jaan, and that's not any better than Ghotbi, Daei or even Ghalenoi unfortunately:

Manager P W D L Win%
Ghalenoi 17 10 6 1 59
Daei 24 15 6 3 63
Ghotbi 30 16 6 8 53
CQ 41 20 14 7 49

If you analyze that list closely you will see that neither Ghalenoei, Daei and Ghotbi lasted longer than CQ. So its not even fair to compare them with CQ since he coached 41 games while Ghotbi comes second with only 30 games. Keep in mind that CQ yet has to coach at the Asian Cup.

[Camran khan]

Whether all of us like CQ or not, we have no better options than him unless Emam Zaman shows up from nowhere and takes it upon himself to guide TM to victory in AC 2015.

[Bi-honar]

If you analyze that list closely you will see that neither Ghalenoei, Daei and Ghotbi lasted longer than CQ. So its not even fair to compare them with CQ since he coached 41 games while Ghotbi comes second with only 30 games. Keep in mind that CQ yet has to coach at the Asian Cup.

But having had more time with the team, shouldn't that translate to even better results in your opinion with a good coach that's making systematic changes in the team?

[Kiarash]

CQ's formula for coaching Iran.

1- Bring down fan expectations by coming on TV and bitching about lack of friendlies against top teams like Brazil, Argentina, Portugal etc. (even tho you don't want to play those teams anyways)

2- Complain that not enough time is given prepare for the upcoming tournament (enough time = 4 months with the cancellation of IPL, ACL, Hazfi etc)

3- Just invite players that play or had played outside of Iran. (don't bother analyzing domestic talent)

4- Kick out any players that don't worship the ground that you spit on (regardless of their talent level) thus calling the team united

5- Park the Bus during the games

6- If desired results were acquired, then come on TV and bash everyone and everything that even dares question your approach and play with people's patriotic feelings. Make sure to exaggerate accomplishments (even if you need to lie - He constantly stressed that Iran qualified 1st in their group for the 1st time in history).

7- If desired results were not acquired, then highlight the slightest success that you might have had (even if it's a 35min loss) and put under the rug all the problems and shortcoming. This can be easily done with the help of media clowns like Adel Ferdosipour and other.

8- Throughout the process make sure you constantly get some BS media to write that you have offers from Manchester United, Tottenham, South Africa NT, Ireland NT, etc. (Bazzar Garmi).

So many things wrong I don't even know where to begin with. But the 4th point, I mean really?

More like the other way around, last time I checked Rahmati's and Aghili's big ego's were the reason they managed to kick themselves out of TM. Till the very last moment Rahmati was always the number 1 choice of CQ, and he decided himself to retire from TM. Same goes for Aghili when he found out he wouldn't be starting during the Lebanon game, he left the training.

[pdot]

At this point who cares who the coach is. Get someone in place cause it is already too late. We have not had any preparation or friendlies since the worldcup. Only in Iran does this happen. Contracts do not takes months to resolve.

[clipsport]

At this point who cares who the coach is. Get someone in place cause it is already too late. We have not had any preparation or friendlies since the worldcup. Only in Iran does this happen. Contracts do not takes months to resolve.

This will be CQ's excuse if we don't get the needed results. Honestly, this time around we should be able to go to the semis with our eyes closed. The teams in our way are path to the semis are just way too easy.

[ali alipour]

I dont think any iranian coach or really anyone other than queiroz could have almost beat argentina with majority of players in second divisions of europe, qatari league, and ipl.

Some of you have forgotten that the players are obviously a huge factor too...

[O-ZoNe]

I wasn't referring to you.
And there is a difference between calling someone an IR supporter and flatly rejecting everything they say based on that.... and dismissing someone's comments because they believe the concerns of a gov't official in a corrupt gov't should carry weight when selecting a TM manager.

I do not believe in any form of name calling or degrading of an individual. I am also not a fan of all the foul language I see on the board now a days. Maybe I am old fashioned, but I always have maintained that we should not expect anything from those who "lead" us if we ourselves cannot model what we want from them. This is a discussion forum...we should all learn to discuss in a civil and polite manner. I have been in some heated debates and not everyone has always agreed with me (as is the case now) but I hope I have always been respectful and polite, or else we wouldn't have much of a discussion. I would encourage each and every member to respect each other and respect each others views, however pro or anti IR or anything else they are. Respect begets respect.

Whether all of us like CQ or not, we have no better options than him unless Emam Zaman shows up from nowhere and takes it upon himself to guide TM to victory in AC 2015.

Agree 100%. Hence why I believe we cannot say CQ has done great or done poorly yet. I believe AC will finally give us a chance to fully evaluate him after 2 major tournaments since CQ was not a fan of WAFF and other regional tournaments. After AC depending on our performance, we will either say he is worth every toman or not worth it...I at the moment cannot give him the praise that others have heeped on him...because while he was able to convince Dejagah and Gucci to come in (positive) they also transferred to worst leagues (negatives)...I have many conflicting views on his tenure to date...AC will be the deciding factor for me. That being said, anything other than a top 3 finish in Asia for me means CQ failed...a top 4...again I will be conflicted...

[Kiarash]

Re: Kafashian will meet CQ on Thursday to finalize the contract

I dont think any iranian coach or really anyone other than queiroz could have almost beat argentina with majority of players in second divisions of europe, qatari league, and ipl.

Some of you have forgotten that the players are obviously a huge factor too...

Very true! Some say if Algeria, Costa Rica can reach the round of 16 then why not us? Because they still have mostly an European based squad with players in top leagues! Not one or two, but at least three.

If your best player is relegated with Fulham, one shouldn't be expecting CQ to pull miracles.

[rugs]

I do not believe in any form of name calling or degrading of an individual. I am also not a fan of all the foul language I see on the board now a days. Maybe I am old fashioned, but I always have maintained that we should not expect anything from those who "lead" us if we ourselves cannot model what we want from them. This is a discussion forum...we should all learn to discuss in a civil and polite manner. I have been in some heated debates and not everyone has always agreed with me (as is the case now) but I hope I have always been respectful and polite, or else we wouldn't have much of a discussion. I would encourage each and every member to respect each other and respect each others views, however pro or anti IR or anything else they are. Respect begets respect.

I agree, that's why I didn't and do not call people names.

However that doesn't mean I can't criticize what someone says.

When someone says the sports minister disapproves of CQ and uses that as a point in their argument, I have every right to say it's pointless to argue against that logic given that the sports minister was a forced entity onto the president, who himself was a forced entity onto the people. Rowhani's first choice was denied for being part of the "fitneh".... Goudarzi is the minister the IR parliament approved. Do we really need to get into what kind of people the IR parliament approves? So when someone gives weight the said approved IR official, of course I will think it's pointless to continue the debate.

[O-ZoNe]

I agree, that's why I didn't and do not call people names.

However that doesn't mean I can't criticize what someone says.

When someone says the sports minister disapproves of CQ and uses that as a point in their argument, I have every right to say it's pointless to argue against that logic given that the sports minister was a forced entity onto the president, who himself was a forced entity onto the people. Rowhani's first choice was denied for being part of the "fitneh".... Goudarzi is the minister the IR parliament approved. Do we really need to get into what kind of people the IR parliament approves? So when someone gives weight the said approved IR official, of course I will think it's pointless to continue the debate.

You could say exactly what you said in the above quote...to counter his argument. I think this would be a much more civil and stronger point that to say Clipsport is concerned with the wants of IR officials. To be fair who cares if ClipSport is pro IR or not...I am guessing he has an interest in football since he is on this forum and not a political one. Perhaps Clipsport was trying to convey hiring CQ is not wise since he does not have government support...perhaps he was saying the Sports Minister is right in dismissing him...perhaps he was just stating a fact or regurgitating news...perhaps perhaps perhaps...but no where did Clipsport say he is concerned with IR officials wants and needs...

Now I am not saying his argument is a strong or even wise one...but he is entitled to use whatever he wants however he wants in his points...and this is the net, we can only ask him to clarify or counter with our points...but to speak to Clips concerns beyond what is typed on the screen is just a remedy for civil discord on PFDC...anyways let's leave it at that. You are a wise and humble member, and that is the only reason why I took the time to point out what I thought was inconsistent with your very personable characteristic. Nothing but best wishes

[PSGman#19]

Very true! Some say if Algeria, Costa Rica can reach the round of 16 then why not us? Because they still have mostly an European based squad with players in top leagues! Not one or two, but at least three.

If your best player is relegated with Fulham, one shouldn't be expecting CQ to pull miracles.

I think it was a good idea to bring Dejagah and Gucci for the short term. But I think we should rely on our young talents now. If we could send a 17 year kid in Atletico, a 19 years old kid to Rubin, an other to NEC, it shows that we should rely on this new generation instead of searching some swedish 2nd division players or the usual 28 years ago average IPL player.

[pdot]

This will be CQ's excuse if we don't get the needed results. Honestly, this time around we should be able to go to the semis with our eyes closed. The teams in our way are path to the semis are just way too easy.

It isn't an excuse when your main competition is more prepared than you. Soccer is a sport based on chemistry, practice and preparation. Without those no team can effectively compete at their best. Not sure why those would be considered an excuse.

Without CQ we wouldn't have Dejagah and Gucci, our best players during this worldcup. The only reason these players join TM was to have CQ coach them. That's the reality and no one can question that.