Steven Beitashour @ Vancouver Whitecaps | 2014-2015 - NEW

[Camran khan]

I was just messing around. Chill.

My apologies then

[Kiarash]

Steven Beitashour @ Vancouver Whitecaps | 2014-2015 - NEW

My apologies then

Haha no problem Camran jan!

[saadat_abad]

Stupid CQ, he loves IPL players.. He is such an idiot, only reason he invited Heydari but not Beitashour is because CQ is biased and love our IPL players.
Heydari is one of the slowest player on all of TM (lolz), and his crosses are awful (even bigger lol)...
On a serious note, are you serious about crosses? Back when Estehglal had a forward who was great in air Esteghlal got a shitload of goals from Khosro's crosses. In the 09-10 season he had 13 assist, which is very impressive for a full back. In our game vs Qatar in Doha this wcq, two of our most dangerous chances came from two perfect crosses by Heydari. Last game vs South Korea, he had a very dangerous cross to Dejagah, I can't even count the amount of times the combination of his crosses and Majidi's headers soorakhed arab teams, and now you attack his crosses too? wow.. But I guess there is no idea arguing here, since these people are the same ones who don't even accept the other side's arguments when proof (statistics from FIFA) show up to back their claim. Some people I understand argue about Heydari, who also agree when they are proven wrong, but others (not you Afat11), bebakhshin,but it is pure garbage coming out of their mouth, since many of them are known to have an incredible amount of hate for Esteghlal and its players.

Just look at these videos, and then say again that he has awful crosses.

camran jan, we have had this discussion before. heydari WAS good back then! most of the videos you posted are from 2-3 years ago. AT THE MOMENT his form had dropped

[Camran khan]

camran jan, we have had this discussion before. heydari WAS good back then! most of the videos you posted are from 2-3 years ago. AT THE MOMENT his form had dropped

Bro that I can understand, and if you read my post I even said that I'm not saying he should be our undisputed number 1, but he definitely belongs in the squad. And if you want me to I can even post more recent clips of his crosses A lot of the ones in the videos were even from 2013.

[rugs]

Is this your serious counter? If so I feel sorry for you that your (and rugs) agenda vs Heydari has failed. Embarrassing response.
And I'm not saying that Heydari is our undisputed starter, I was very impressed by Ghafouri in our latest game, however Khosro for sure deserves to be in the squad.
Unfortunately PFDC has a lot of brainless members who read one member say something and start repeating it like a parrot. This time it started with a thread rugs created which was based on that he was slow
If Heydari is too slow for TM, we need to replace our entire team, with the exception of Dejagah... (Montazeri is injured )

wtf?! agenda?! Get over yourself and act a bit more mature. Disagreeing is fine, but don't make stuff up.

Heydari was our worst player in the WC. He lost his starting position in the middle of the tournament, so apparently CQ must have an agenda too.

I posted videos of his speed and him getting beat and all you could do was point to a meaningless stat. http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...ari&highlight=

You do realize that in real life you can't just press the sprint button anytime you want to run fast right? I mean you realize that FIFA and PES are games?

Not to mention you yourself agreed that I was right and you were wrong about Heydari. Should I dig up that quote again?

[saadat_abad]

Bro that I can understand, and if you read my post I even said that I'm not saying he should be our undisputed number 1, but he definitely belongs in the squad. And if you want me to I can even post more recent clips of his crosses A lot of the ones in the videos were even from 2013.

100% i agree with you! see heydari was good.
should have heydari started the game against nigeria? prolly not! you needed a bigger player that has more than a move or two.
heydari is good to play against arab teams because the pace is slow and he has the time to stay on the ball and juke the arabs! but its different when you are playing korea, japan , uzbekistan and the aussies ! the game is much faster and it is much more rough! if he starts against the arab teams i would mind but i just dont want him to start against faster and stronger teams because he cannot handle that pressure.

[rugs]

Camran Khan's contradictions are crashing the servers.

For the sake of PFDC let's end this discussion

Agree with OP 100%
Also, kudos to rugs, with whom I disagreed with about Heydari, but now I see you were right all along.

[Camran khan]

Camran Khan's contradictions are crashing the servers.
For the sake of PFDC let's end this discussion

That was regarding the game vs Nigeria lol, at least I am man enough to admit when I was wrong, while you ignore statistical facts which hit you in the face, and you go in to denial about
Still believe that Heydari is slow?
I guess the same argument people use i Shojaei's case can be used here, obviously CQ thinks he is good enough and a bette option than most of our other players in that position, so it is pretty clear that you are incorrect.

100% i agree with you! see heydari was good.
should have heydari started the game against nigeria? prolly not! you needed a bigger player that has more than a move or two.
heydari is good to play against arab teams because the pace is slow and he has the time to stay on the ball and juke the arabs! but its different when you are playing korea, japan , uzbekistan and the aussies ! the game is much faster and it is much more rough! if he starts against the arab teams i would mind but i just dont want him to start against faster and stronger teams because he cannot handle that pressure.

I agree, especially vs Nigeria. There is a reason why Shojaei didn't start that game either, the likes of Shojaei and Heydari are not cut out to face physical opponents like Nigeria.

[Z Joon]

That was regarding the game vs Nigeria lol, at least I am man enough to admit when I was wrong, while you ignore statistical facts which hit you in the face, and you go in to denial about
Still believe that Heydari is slow?
I guess the same argument people use i Shojaei's case can be used here, obviously CQ thinks he is good enough and a bette option than most of our other players in that position, so it is pretty clear that you are incorrect.

I agree, especially vs Nigeria. There is a reason why Shojaei didn't start that game either, the likes of Shojaei and Heydari are not cut out to face physical opponents like Nigeria.

Khodeto alaki khasteh nakon dadash

[Afat11]

I agree with Camran in the sense that Heydari makes no more and no less mistakes than many other Iranian players. He has his moments of brilliance, but he also has his fail moments. I'm sure Beitashour is the same. The problem I have is with the focusing on specific players that are easy targets due to them coming from foreign leagues. Anyone who says that Beitashour and Davari haven't gotten the most hate recently, and that other imports like Dejagah didn't get the hate before them are just delusional.

I've always been a proponent that all players have major flaws and major talents to even be considered for TM. Our players are not premiere players, and we should instead encourage all or bash all equally. Not picking and choosing which players are good and bad, as none of our players are really great at the moment, so why are we trying to lower individual player's morale? It does not help our TM to have Beitashour be a bad player, so why does everyone push this so much?

Competition in TM is good. Davari keeps Haghighi on his toes when both are in form. Beitashour can keep Heydari in form if he is called up in the future. Why do you all hope for his demise? Just so you can say Iranian football is better than other leagues? It's stupid to argue these intangible things.

I support Khosrow Heydari and any other player that suits up for TM despite their flaws. Does anyone care to join me, or will we continue to be divisive and bash players unnecessarily?

[Camran khan]

Khodeto alaki khasteh nakon dadash

rast migi aziz. Both sides have laid out their arguments, one side using opinion, other using facts, yet no one seems to budge, so what is the point lol.

[Camran khan]

wtf?! agenda?! Get over yourself and act a bit more mature. Disagreeing is fine, but don't make stuff up.
Heydari was our worst player in the WC. He lost his starting position in the middle of the tournament, so apparently CQ must have an agenda too.
I posted videos of his speed and him getting beat and all you could do was point to a meaningless stat. http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...ari&highlight=
You do realize that in real life you can't just press the sprint button anytime you want to run fast right? I mean you realize that FIFA and PES are games?
Not to mention you yourself agreed that I was right and you were wrong about Heydari. Should I dig up that quote again?

What is the difference between other members jumping someone claiming some members have got an agenda vs Beitashour, to me claiming that you have one against Heydari? I have no other logical answer because you don't make any valid points in your criticism, while others have. You posted 2 scenes, 2 scenes out of the hundreds that Heydari has played football, and use that to judge his speed. I can post two scenes of Karimi failing to dribble, and claim that he is bad at dribbling, which is absolutely not true. Even if that was ok, it is pretty clear that in the one clip, Heydari slows down because it looks like his teammate is about to catch the opponent.

I agree with Camran in the sense that Heydari makes no more and no less mistakes than many other Iranian players. He has his moments of brilliance, but he also has his fail moments. I'm sure Beitashour is the same. The problem I have is with the focusing on specific players that are easy targets due to them coming from foreign leagues. Anyone who says that Beitashour and Davari haven't gotten the most hate recently, and that other imports like Dejagah didn't get the hate before them are just delusional.
I've always been a proponent that all players have major flaws and major talents to even be considered for TM. Our players are not premiere players, and we should instead encourage all or bash all equally. Not picking and choosing which players are good and bad, as none of our players are really great at the moment, so why are we trying to lower individual player's morale? It does not help our TM to have Beitashour be a bad player, so why does everyone push this so much?
Competition in TM is good. Davari keeps Haghighi on his toes when both are in form. Beitashour can keep Heydari in form if he is called up in the future. Why do you all hope for his demise? Just so you can say Iranian football is better than other leagues? It's stupid to argue these intangible things.
I support Khosrow Heydari and any other player that suits up for TM despite their flaws. Does anyone care to join me, or will we continue to be divisive and bash players unnecessarily?

I agree with everything you said.
I'm out, peace

[rugs]

What is the difference between other members jumping someone claiming some members have got an agenda vs Beitashour, to me claiming that you have one against Heydari? I have no other logical answer because you don't make any valid points in your criticism, while others have. You posted 2 scenes, 2 scenes out of the hundreds that Heydari has played football, and use that to judge his speed. I can post two scenes of Karimi failing to dribble, and claim that he is bad at dribbling, which is absolutely not true. Even if that was ok, it is pretty clear that in the one clip, Heydari slows down because it looks like his teammate is about to catch the opponent.I agree with everything you said.
I'm out, peace

If you can't see the difference then I can't help you.

I suggest you get in touch with your former self who seemed to understand just fine, albeit with an agenda apparently

Agree with OP 100%
Also, kudos to rugs, with whom I disagreed with about Heydari, but now I see you were right all along.

[Camran khan]

If you can't see the difference then I can't help you.
I suggest you get in touch with your former self who seemed to understand just fine, albeit with an agenda apparently

ok aziz, whatever makes you feel better, like I said, I'm done arguing in this thread on the topic of Heydari's capabilities, since it appears as it is only a waste of time.
As a parting gift, I hope you enjoy this video.

[rugs]

Steven Beitashour @ Vancouver Whitecaps | 2014-2015 - NEW

ok aziz, whatever makes you feel better, like I said, I'm done arguing in this thread on the topic of Heydari's capabilities, since it appears as it is only a waste of time.
As a parting gift, I hope you enjoy this video.

I don't mind anyone arguing Heydari's capabilities positive or negative. Just don't throw immature nonsense in between.

Comparing, criticizing a player's abilities (Heydari) to criticizing what a player feels or doesn't feel in his heart based off media reports(Beita) is very different. Maybe your "agenda" doesn't let you see that.