Khosrow Heydari

[rugs]

We had this thread in the old fourm which is read only now.

I respect your opinion, but explain why he was our worst player if he ran like a freight train the whole game against Nigeria?
He was hustling and puffing the whole match and gave 100%. CQ put him in the starting lineup because he is better than Heydari. I'm sure Khosro will start at the AC too.
They are similar type players but I believe Heydari beats Steven offensively, defensively and in transition. Beita is just faster.

Let's not forget, Heydari was so bad, that CQ, who rarely makes changes, took him out of the starting line up for the final two matches after his performance against Nigeria. He was the only player to lose his starting spot on our squad.

My problem with Heydari has always been three things:

1. He's slow

2. Weak on Defense

3. Predictable.



1. Even during qualifiers he was beaten time and time again by Qatari players on the wing. I even made a thread about his speed before the WC. Here are two videos:

2. He is not a good defender and gets constantly beat on the wing. This mainly has to do with his speed and stamina. What is the point of constantly running and wearing yourself out?



3. In the IPL he is known for his crosses. But the difference is, in the IPL he has time, space and energy to cross. In the WC we saw how poor his crosses were. He is very predictable, a one-trick pony. He runs down the wing and when he gets to the top of the box he crosses. This may work in the IPL, but it failed in the WC. He was unable to adapt and change his game. Unlike Montazeri, who saw opportunities and made beautiful crosses from even the halfway line, Heydari just kept repeating the same thing over and over. For example, just look at the difference between these two crosses:

Montazeri sees the space and makes a cross that creates a great scoring opportunity. Heydari ignores the space Gucci has, even though he is waving his hands, and does the same thing he always does... runs to the top of the box and crosses it. Montazeri had a good number of crosses like that and Heydari has a good number of mistakes similar. Not to mention he lost the ball time and time again when under pressure.

[Camran khan]

Regarding the first video, to me, he kept up pretty well with the Arab player, it seemed pretty clear that he slowed down because he thought Pejman Nouri had it.
But since we seem to have a hate Beita and a hate Khosro camp in PFDC, and since I don't give a fvck what anyone thinks of me, I'll say it here. Khosro is no Philip Lahm, but neither is Beitashour. They both get eaten up by Montazeri. Besides as you said, Khosro might still be very useful in the AC 2015, since he has the time and space to operate in Asian football.

Besides, Moses is no Mertesacker exactly, he is pretty fast.

[rugs]

Regarding the first video, to me, he kept up pretty well with the Arab player, it seemed pretty clear that he slowed down because he thought Pejman Nouri had it.
But since we seem to have a hate Beita and a hate Khosro camp in PFDC, and since I don't give a fvck what anyone thinks of me, I'll say it here. Khosro is no Philip Lahm, but neither is Beitashour. They both get eaten up by Montazeri. Besides as you said, Khosro might still be very useful in the AC 2015, since he has the time and space to operate in Asian football.

Besides, Moses is no Mertesacker exactly, he is pretty fast.

I was hoping you would make your statement again that I was right about Heydari

I don't hate Heydari, I just think that is one of the positions we need to improve upon. He seems like a very nice guy. It's just that for so many years on the forum, no one was willing to critique his game.

I agree with Montazeri, he has proven himself to be the best RB currently.

I don't mind seeing what Beita has to offer, but he will have to prove himself better than Pejman.

[clipsport]

I don't mind seeing what Beita has to offer, but he will have to prove himself better than Pejman.

Here is a preview of what Beita has to offer.

[Camran khan]

I was hoping you would make your statement again that I was right about Heydari

I don't hate Heydari, I just think that is one of the positions we need to improve upon. He seems like a very nice guy. It's just that for so many years on the forum, no one was willing to critique his game.

I agree with Montazeri, he has proven himself to be the best RB currently.

I don't mind seeing what Beita has to offer, but he will have to prove himself better than Pejman.

Yeah I'm not arguing saying Khosro is a beast or whatever, but Pejman is our man from what I've seen, if not him, well then we are fvcked since IMO our next best man is Khosro, cause IMO he is better than Beitashour from what I've seen from him. I don't know if we have any other good RB players in the IPL though.

[babak_iran]

Heydari has always sucked in Team Melli

[rugs]

Yeah I'm not arguing saying Khosro is a beast or whatever, but Pejman is our man from what I've seen, if not him, well then we are fvcked since IMO our next best man is Khosro, cause IMO he is better than Beitashour from what I've seen from him. I don't know if we have any other good RB players in the IPL though.

I was referring to this

Agree with OP 100%

Also, kudos to rugs, with whom I disagreed with about Heydari, but now I see you were right all along.

http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...=1#post2195170

[Camran khan]

I was referring to this





http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...=1#post2195170

Yeah I know. Like I'm saying, Heydari was pretty bad in the world cup, and overall isn't the best RB we have, but I still rate him higher than Beitashour. But like I said, Montazeri is better than both of them combined.

[Amin_]

Didn't we have this thread/discussion before?! Don't understand why we need another thread just for K. Heydari to discuss this AGAIN?!

Anyway, yes, he did not play such a good game against Nigeria and was outrun by a damn speedy Nigerian player (who probably would outrun 90% of other players too) down the flank. Yes, he was perhaps rightfully removed out of the starting eleven against Argentina. He was just uber nervous. Some players can deal with their nerves better than others.

Sure, Heydari sometimes is a little slow on his decision making, but he rarely has turnovers, is one of the few who on a 1vs1 with his opponent can easily outplay them and has many more pro's for him to be considered as one of the best we have.

With the tactics of parking the bus and using 1 small speedy forward upfront, it was hard for Heydari to shine. It was much easier for a big strong player like Montazeri, who's specialty is defending, to shine in such a defensive strategy, than someone like Heydari.

Sure, one of P. Montazeri's crosses reached G'nejhad, so does that mean he's a better crosser than Heydari?! Well the answer to that is a big NO!
Heydari is not as slow as you migth think. It's mainly due to his slowish looking style of running that it comes over like that. On ball, he's actually one of the faster players I'd say. Another member rightfully pointed this out already in another thread.

In a WC, and specially with our ultra defensive strategies, yes, using someone like P. Montazeri instead of Heydari as a RB was probably smarter. But in an AC where you are considered as one of the strongest teams, having someone down the flank like Heydari is much better imo. This is not even a point of disccusion, because most probably Heydari will not be used as a RB anyway.

If Heydari was soooo bad as you claim he was, be sure that he then wouldn't have played 1 more minute after the Nigeria match! However, he was still brought in at a crucial moment of the match against Argentina and gave him 45 minutes against Bosnia!

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ps:

The 1st video has been discussed a lot already! You can see that from second 1-2 til 5 where both are sprinting, that he easily keeps on with the Qatari player and even manages to stay in front of him. The second the pass is given, Heydari stops, thinking P. Nouri will easily take care of that easy ball, not knowing Nouri is a moron who fcked up so easily. So actually it is Nouri who is been outmuscled and outsprinted.

The 2nd video he gets outsprinted by a very speedy player. Can happen. I don't need to tell you that Nigerian/African players are one of the fastest players in the world, right? I'm sure that Nigerian player would outsprint most, if not all of our players in a 1vs1 dual like that. So it's not fair to take that one scene to try to prove a point. And no-one said that heydari is Usain Bolt or whatever and that he could easily keep up with one of the fastest African players. But he's not as slow and bad as you make him out to be either!

On your 3rd point. In IPL/ACL he's known for his crosses. Why? Because in IPL he plays at teams who do not defend with 11 for 90 minutes! Because in IPL he usually plays in a team with 2 forwards, out of whom one is a strong target forward who knows how to position himself well in the box in order to get to those crosses. Put him in a team that defends with 10 men all game long and that plays with 1 small forward, then yes, probably Heydari will not be as productive as he is now! Is that a surprise? No! No flank player who has to come up with crosses will be as productive in a defensive strategy with 1 small forward as they would be in a more forward going tactic with strong target forwards!

[Camran khan]

Heydari was awful in the world cup, nobody is denying that, but in Asian competitions he does pretty well for TM. He should rightfully be criticized for that performance, but what sucks, is that here at PFDC, we have too many fan boys.. Who according to them, some players are immune to criticism (no, this is not directed at you rugs) while others are used as punching bags.

Don't lie to yourselves, if this thread was called Steven Beitashour instead of Khosrow Heydari, the OP would be getting hate from 90% of this forum due to all the fan boys. Hell, it might have even been locked due to public pressure

Like I said, Rugs, this is nothing personal against you, but this forum in general.

[Camran khan]

Oh and Rugs, I saw your video on Heydari vs Montazeri cross, and that sh!t hurt, that was a golden opprtunitity he failed, but not exactly a fair comparison comparing just 1 cross to another

[BacheLot]

It doesn't matter Khosro Still sarvareh Beitashooreh..!

[Ghermez Agha]

It doesn't matter Khosro Still sarvareh Beitashooreh..!

Montazeri and fakhredini sarvare heydari va Beitashour

[rugs]

Heydari was awful in the world cup, nobody is denying that, but in Asian competitions he does pretty well for TM. He should rightfully be criticized for that performance, but what sucks, is that here at PFDC, we have too many fan boys.. Who according to them, some players are immune to criticism (no, this is not directed at you rugs) while others are used as punching bags.

Don't lie to yourselves, if this thread was called Steven Beitashour instead of Khosrow Heydari, the OP would be getting hate from 90% of this forum due to all the fan boys. Hell, it might have even been locked due to public pressure

Like I said, Rugs, this is nothing personal against you, but this forum in general.

Well there is a difference. We have seen plenty of Heydari in TM and I think hearing all the opinions is fine and we don't have to agree since there are plenty of games to analyze his play.

We haven't seen Beita all that much in TM so to dismiss him before that deserves the criticism certain members have received, especially when dismissing him because you don't think his heart is in it...

We had the same thing with Shojaei, we all discussed him and it was fine. A lot of people thought he played well against Argentina when he was given the start, but that doesn't make them fan boys.

But showing blind hatred towards a player without any sort of criticism, as was the case with Beita, is wrong.

[rugs]

Oh and Rugs, I saw your video on Heydari vs Montazeri cross, and that sh!t hurt, that was a golden opprtunitity he failed, but not exactly a fair comparison comparing just 1 cross to another

Well, I believe it's those types of crosses that win games.

Imagine if Ando didn't boot the ball to Ansarifard against UZB?

Imagine if Ando didn't boot the ball to Gucci against S. Korea?

It's that type of awareness that wins games.

We tend to think we have many chances in games, but we only have a few and it's what we do with those few chances that matter.