Ali Karimi: Assistant TM coach

[Lorestani]

I doubt it, but if you had you'd realize that censorship exists in some form or another in any culture around the globe (not specifically Iranian as you claim), and that Ansarian, a mediocre uneducated former athlete, is not a representative of 3000 years of Iranian culture lol

I am sorry to correct you, but delaying a broadcast because women are in the stands is silly enough to be a form of censorship that is unique to the Islamic Republic of Iran. Also, please read my first message a bit more carefully. My point was that, if anything, Ansarian represent the culture of IR, not Iran.

[sirvan]

I am sorry to correct you, but delaying a broadcast because women are in the stands is silly enough to be a form of censorship that is unique to the Islamic Republic of Iran. Also, please read my first message a bit more carefully. My point was that, if anything, Ansarian represent the culture of IR, not Iran.

Be that as it may, censorship exists in all cultures/countries, you can talk about the uniqueness of the Iranian censorship, but the point stands. IR as an institution does represent Iran and its culture though (at least partly), like all governments are representatives of their country's culture, the two are inseparable. Individuals though, do not represent a culture as many other factors come in to play as well (such as a mental illness or personality disorder or lack of education for example), or just as some individual members of the Iranian diaspora with a clear identity crisis such as yourself, do not represent the Iranian culture. And no you did not correct me, as you do not hold the truth in these cases, you just have a view of how a society should be, but that view is not the truth but more a philosophy or a set of certain principles. It is I who did correct you though, and that is that no individual represents a culture in it's entirely. That's a rather silly claim to make lad.

[foadm_2000]

Be that as it may, censorship exists in all cultures/countries, you can talk about the uniqueness of the Iranian censorship, but the point stands. IR as an institution does represent Iran and its culture though (at least partly), like all governments are representatives of their country's culture, the two are inseparable. Individuals though, do not represent a culture as many other factors come in to play as well (such as a mental illness or personality disorder or lack of education for example), or just as some individual members of the Iranian diaspora with a clear identity crisis such as yourself, do not represent the Iranian culture. And no you did not correct me, as you do not hold the truth in these cases, you just have a view of how a society should be, but that view is not the truth but more a philosophy or a set of certain principles. It is I who did correct you though, and that is that no individual represents a culture in it's entirely. That's a rather silly claim to make lad.

How can you say that our political system represent our society where there is no free and fair election? the notion that governments are representative of a nations culture and society is only true when people are allowed to make free decisions. and also since you equated the censorship in Iran with other countries and argued that the Iranian censorship is similar to other countries but has its own "uniqueness", could you shed some light on the differences and similarities of censorship in Iran and lets say Sweden? Thanks

[Lorestani]

Be that as it may, censorship exists in all cultures/countries, you can talk about the uniqueness of the Iranian censorship, but the point stands. IR as an institution does represent Iran and its culture though (at least partly), like all governments are representatives of their country's culture, the two are inseparable. Individuals though, do not represent a culture as many other factors come in to play as well (such as a mental illness or personality disorder or lack of education for example), or just as some individual members of the Iranian diaspora with a clear identity crisis such as yourself, do not represent the Iranian culture. And no you did not correct me, as you do not hold the truth in these cases, you just have a view of how a society should be, but that view is not the truth but more a philosophy or a set of certain principles. It is I who did correct you though, and that is that no individual represents a culture in it's entirely. That's a rather silly claim to make lad.

Your argument is sloppy. Nothing is exactly like something else unless it is identical to it. That many factors play into how personalities are formed is wholly unrelated to the question of whether an individual can represent a country's culture. Unless you think representing sth is the same as being identical to sth, which would be a rather silly claim to make, representing does not require the representing entity to be the same on every single dimension of the thing the representing entity aims at representing. I think you are confused about the two terms representing and being identical or inseperable. That's exactly why you claim that Iran and the Islamic Republic are "inseperable" just because the Islamic Republic is (allegedly) representing Iran.

Be that as it may, if you think IR is Iran and Iran is IR, feel free to have that view. I do not care. But rest assured that you will be ridiculed for as long as you hold that view. It is logically inconsistent and intellectually wanting.

[sirvan]

How can you say that our political system represent our society where there is no free and fair election? the notion that governments are representative of a nations culture and society is only true when people are allowed to make free decisions. and also since you equated the censorship in Iran with other countries and argued that the Iranian censorship is similar to other countries but has its own "uniqueness", could you shed some light on the differences and similarities of censorship in Iran and lets say Sweden? Thanks

I said that IR as an institution does represent Iran and its culture (at least partly), not that our political system represents our entire society or the different ideologies or desires for different political systems. Learn how to read my man, instead of wasting my time.

Also, we've never had a democracy, but that doesn't mean we don't have a culture, democracy does not equal culture lad. I think you need to do a lot of reading and studying before you engage in discussions on this level, no offence.

and also since you equated the censorship in Iran with other countries and argued that the Iranian censorship is similar to other countries but has its own "uniqueness", could you shed some light on the differences and similarities of censorship in Iran and lets say Sweden?

I never equated the censorship in Iran with other countries, rather that all countries have some form of censorship. Again reading is a skill mate. Uniqueness was a response to Lorestani's post where he said that Iran is the only country that delays the broadcast when women are in picture. I have no interest in comparing the censorship of Iran with Sweden. I'm not Swedish, nor have i any interest in their regulations, having said that even your beloved Sweden has censorship. Do you live in Sweden? If so, let me tell you that Iran will never become like Sweden, at least not in our lifetime. Ofcourse you can always integrate or assimilate in the Swedish society lad

[KeonKish]

you can love Ali Karimi or hate him but one thing is certain; he doesn't give a shit either way!!! and for that alone I love him.
He isn't going to sugarcoat anything and just gonna come out and say what's on his mind. that's just who he is and I hope he never changes.

I rather have this than someone like Nekunam who kisses ass, back stabs friends, foes, teams and their fans just to move up!

and about his comments, I found nothing wrong with what he said.

Shireh Ali Karimi!

You must have voted for trump


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[sirvan]

Your argument is sloppy. Nothing is exactly like something else unless it is identical to it. That many factors play into how personalities are formed is wholly unrelated to the question of whether an individual can represent a country's culture. Unless you think representing sth is the same as being identical to sth, which would be a rather silly claim to make, representing does not require the representing entity to be the same on every single dimension of the thing the representing entity aims at representing. I think you are confused about the two terms representing and being identical or inseperable. That's exactly why you claim that Iran and the Islamic Republic are "inseperable" just because the Islamic Republic is (allegedly) representing Iran.
Be that as it may, if you think IR is Iran and Iran is IR, feel free to have that view. I do not care. But rest assured that you will be ridiculed for as long as you hold that view. It is logically inconsistent and intellectually wanting.

"Nothing is exactly like something else unless it is identical to it. That many factors play into how personalities are formed is wholly unrelated to the question of whether an individual can represent a country's culture. Unless you think representing sth is the same as being identical to sth, which would be a rather silly claim to make, representing does not require the representing entity to be the same on every single dimension of the thing the representing entity aims at representing."

I think the problem is that you don't know what culture means. Here is the definition of culture: The arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively. Or, the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society.
Therefore Ansarian, as genius and talented as he may be, can never represent Iranian culture.

The funny thing is that you claim that IR does not represent Iranian culture, but Ansarian does .

And IR did not transcend out of heaven, they at least represent the religious or traditional part of the Iranian society lad. Therefore IR as an institution represents Iran and its culture, at least part of the society and its culture (the religious/traditional part)

[Lorestani]

"Nothing is exactly like something else unless it is identical to it. That many factors play into how personalities are formed is wholly unrelated to the question of whether an individual can represent a country's culture. Unless you think representing sth is the same as being identical to sth, which would be a rather silly claim to make, representing does not require the representing entity to be the same on every single dimension of the thing the representing entity aims at representing."

I think the problem is that you don't know what culture means. Here is the definition of culture: The arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively. Or, the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society.
Therefore Ansarian, as genius and talented as he may be, can never represent Iranian culture. The funny thing is that you claim that IR does not represent Iranian culture, but Ansarian does .

And IR did not transcend out of heaven, they at least represent the religious or traditional part of the Iranian society lad. Therefor IR as an institution represent Iran and its culture, at least part of the society and its culture (the religious/traditional part)

Whether or not I understand the concept of culture is, again, irrelevant to the previous points. You cannot keep apart the concepts of representation and identity. If you want to engage in conceptual debates, I think those two would be a good place to start. Also, you still haven't grasped what I said, which is testimony to your difficulties to keep up with a serious engagement. I said Ansarian perfectly represents IR culture, not Iranian culture. You do not even understand what representation means, that is why you equate it with things being identical to each other.

Your style of discussion is boring, because rather than engage in a proper debate, you sidestep at every turn as soon as you realize you are not up to snuff, which, frankly, you have not been since the first time you reacted to my post.

[sirvan]

Whether or not I understand the concept of culture is, again, irrelevant to the previous points. You cannot keep apart the concepts of representation and identity. If you want to engage in conceptual debates, I think those two would be a good place to start. Also, you still haven't grasped what I said, which is testimony to your difficulties to keep up with a serious engagement. I said Ansarian perfectly represents IR culture, not Iranian culture. You do not even understand what representation means, that is why you equate it with things being identical to each other.

Your style of discussion is boring, because rather than engage in a proper debate, you sidestep at every turn as soon as you realize you are not up to snuff, which, frankly, you have not been since the first time you reacted to my post.

Unfortunately, (rather because of the limits of your intelligence), the point that one person cannot represent an entire culture did not get through to you. Here is the definition of representation:The action of speaking or acting on behalf of someone or the state of being so represented. So who does Ansarian represent other than himself, well according to you the IR culture, which is separate from Iranian culture. (this is a claim you made in your following posts, which is false as IR does represent at least parts of the Iranian culture).

"He is the epitome of the Iranian lat. Uneducated, brazenly stupid, taking pride in what is and remains censorship and trying to sell it as some sort of cultural value that needs protecting. If censorship is Iranian culture, Ansarian represents that culture perfectly."

Here your original statement, where you cnotadict yourself, so let's briefly analyse it: "If censorship is Iranian culture"(?) Here it is obvious that you don't know the meaning of culture. And then you follow it up by: "Ansarian represents that culture perfectly". So Ansarian according to you is a representative of Iranian culture. This is your claim, 3000 years of Iranian culture represented by that clown Ansarian, it is silly beyond belief lad.

[freak]

Guys, with all due respect, is this seriously the best time for bumping this thread to the top of the board? I mean, if you must argue, by all means go ahead. But know that some of us would prefer to see the most current threads on the boards.

[perspolis#1]

Also burning someone for something they said is a bit extreme wouldn't you say, my Martian friend?

Seriously, Iranian diaspora say the most ridiculous things sometimes. Some have a serious identity crisis, that much is obvious from posts like these.

Would you say hanging people for disagreeing with you is part of Iranian culture if our government takes part in it?

[sirvan]

Would you say hanging people for disagreeing with you is part of Iranian culture if our government takes part in it?

This is the last thing i'll say regarding this as i don't want to go off-topic too much. One thing you need to realize (with that i mean Iranian diaspora like you growing up abroad) is that our government consists of Iranians, growing up within the Iranian culture and system.
Capital punishment (the death penalty) has always existed in Iran as a means of punishment, even prior to IR, even prior to Islam. Ofcourse this doesn't mean it cannot change, cultures do change in some fields, and stay the same for a long time in many other fields. I as an individual, as an Iranian, am against the death penalty, and when enough Iranians decide to do something against it, they create institutions that uphold human rights, and banish the death penalty. Throughout history Iranian subjects (citizens if you will) that where against the Iranian government/rulers did get the death penalty if they where regarded as a threat or a menace to the ruling elite. And this hasn't changed during IR, but hopefully after IR it will change. I see it as an evolutionary process. I would say that Iranians have a hard time in dealing with people who disagree with them, and resort to violence in order to get their way. This has been the case with all of our governments, and thus reflects our society/culture, indeed.

[Lorestani]

Unfortunately, (rather because of the limits of your intelligence), the point that one person cannot represent an entire culture did not get through to you. Here is the definition of representation:The action of speaking or acting on behalf of someone or the state of being so represented. So who does Ansarian represent other than himself, well according to you the IR culture, which is separate from Iranian culture. (this is a claim you made in your following posts, which is false as IR does represent at least parts of the Iranian culture).

"He is the epitome of the Iranian lat. Uneducated, brazenly stupid, taking pride in what is and remains censorship and trying to sell it as some sort of cultural value that needs protecting. If censorship is Iranian culture, Ansarian represents that culture perfectly."

Here your original statement, where you cnotadict yourself, so let's briefly analyse it: "If censorship is Iranian culture"(?) Here it is obvious that you don't know the meaning of culture. And then you follow it up by: "Ansarian represents that culture perfectly". So Ansarian according to you is a representative of Iranian culture. This is your claim, 3000 years of Iranian culture represented by that clown Ansarian, it is silly beyond belief lad.

The lack of rigor in your argumentation is revealed by the following: on the one hand, you claim that Ansarian cannot represent Iranian culture because he is an individual. On the other hand, you claim that IR represents Iranian culture because it "does represent parts of Iranian culture". This is not consistent. And the reason it is not is because - I am just repeating a simple point that you still haven't been able to address - you equate representing and being the same. As long as you cannot tell apart these two simple concepts, you will not be able to continue this debate.

[Tehranto]

and what lies did you find in his comments??? what did you hear that was so untrue??

the question is when a person is speaking, is he really saying what is on his mind or is he choosing his words for "conformity"?? I respect anyone who says what's his mind. Daie, Azizi, Dadkan etc, are the same way. some used to hate Dadkan too. and he has said many things that were controversial and disliked by many. it doesn't matter if you agree with the speaker or not. my point is that as long as he is stating what is really on his mind, then that's good. not that he is right, or correct! just that he is not "pretending". this is what in my eyes is valuable and has become a rarity.

not like nekounam who backed stabbed Ghotbi, back stabbed GN, back stabbed nasaji fans, twice, and then turns around and speaks in such beautiful words.. all fucking lies!!

My general point, and the thing you are missing time-and-time again is - what the hell is Ali Karimi specialized and authorized to talk about? What are his skillsets outside the football pitch?

He is using his name to comment on issues he is largely ignorant about, especially in matters of football management, coaching etc. He was a glorious footballer, but the buck stops there because he doesn't play football anymore.

[NFL]

My general point, and the thing you are missing time-and-time again is - what the hell is Ali Karimi specialized and authorized to talk about? What are his skillsets outside the football pitch?
He is using his name to comment on issues he is largely ignorant about, especially in matters of football management, coaching etc. He was a glorious footballer, but the buck stops there because he doesn't play football anymore.

What does Karimi specialize in? What do you or anyone of us here specialize in to have an opinion about "football management", "coaching", "Player selection", "tactics"?
He knows more about football, coaching, management, and anything and everything related to football than all of us combined.. What makes you qualified to say a former footballer has not business talking about football??

and you still haven't pointed out to the "lies" and "untrue" things that Karimi has said in this interview.