Ali Karimi: Assistant TM coach

[sirvan]

The lack of rigor in your argumentation is revealed by the following: on the one hand, you claim that Ansarian cannot represent Iranian culture because he is an individual. On the other hand, you claim that IR represents Iranian culture because it "does represent parts of Iranian culture". This is not consistent. And the reason it is not is because - I am just repeating a simple point that you still haven't been able to address - you equate representing and being the same. As long as you cannot tell apart these two simple concepts, you will not be able to continue this debate.

Can you believe this guy? Instead of holding on to your ignorance, try to learn something here. Put aside your unjustified ego, and start using more of your brain. Ansarian or any other individual cannot (by definition) be a representative of an entire culture, institutions (for example the Iranian institute of Arts and Culture) do represent segments or parts of contemporary Iranian culture. That being said, you could make the argument that Ansarian is a product of Iranian culture, but that is highly debatable as the influence of socioeconomic factors, mental health, family, background etc all play a very important part in forming someone's personality, not just their native culture. But to state that individuals are representatives of their native cultures is beyond ridiculous. Nothing more annoying than debating with people who think they're smart.

I noticed that many of the lads i have discussions with on this forum are experiencing an identity crisis due to growing up or living abroad, which is quite sad. Often they use the same arguments and negativity regarding Iran such as: i am ashamed for this Iranian and this is what Iranian culture is etc, but what they really are experiencing is extreme insecurity due to an identity crisis. And then project this personal insecurity or identity crisis on Iran, or on Iranian culture in this case.

[ramingeles2000]

and what lies did you find in his comments??? what did you hear that was so untrue??

the question is when a person is speaking, is he really saying what is on his mind or is he choosing his words for "conformity"?? I respect anyone who says what's his mind. Daie, Azizi, Dadkan etc, are the same way. some used to hate Dadkan too. and he has said many things that were controversial and disliked by many. it doesn't matter if you agree with the speaker or not. my point is that as long as he is stating what is really on his mind, then that's good. not that he is right, or correct! just that he is not "pretending". this is what in my eyes is valuable and has become a rarity.

not like nekounam who backed stabbed Ghotbi, back stabbed GN, back stabbed nasaji fans, twice, and then turns around and speaks in such beautiful words.. all fucking lies!!

Let's be frank about Ali Karimi here. He's an underachieving, overrated, low-class moron who pissed away his best years collecting arab paychecks yet who still somehow managed to fool a generation of gol-kuchik fanboys into idolizing him because of a few cute dribbles in friendly matches with AS Roma and Germany.

severe underachiever, toxic locker room presence, and now, added to the ranks of poison-spewing iranian soccer pundits.

He peaked with his hat trick against south korea in AC 2004, and even that achievement is undone by his blunders against Ireland that cost us WC2002, his locker room coup that spoiled WC2006, and his jealous bashing of CQ. Let's be honest - his problem with CQ is jealousy. He was unseated by CQ as the most well-liked person in Iranian football and it drives him nuts, especially as it becomes increasingly clear that his relevance is waning by the day.

Ali Karimi should STFU. With an unstable mind, inability to lead, and deep oghdeh, he knows his soccer life moving forward will be limited to short-tenured coaching jobs for shit IPL teams (at best). Maybe if he hadn't punched referees, had gone to Europe at an earlier age and had the balls to forgo comfort in dubai for the hardship of playing abroad, had managed his ego, could score 1-on-1 situations to take us to the world cup, etc., he'd have left the game as more of a legend. Unfortunately, these days he's less of a legend and more of a "lajan".

[paas]

Let's be frank about Ali Karimi here. He's an underachieving, overrated, low-class moron who pissed away his best years collecting arab paychecks yet who still somehow managed to fool a generation of gol-kuchik fanboys into idolizing him because of a few cute dribbles in friendly matches with AS Roma and Germany.

severe underachiever, toxic locker room presence, and now, added to the ranks of poison-spewing iranian soccer pundits.

So let me get this straight, in the other discussion where the purpose is to discredit Branko in 2006, Ali Karimi is a football god that in fact helped carry Branko which would of course explain his statistical success compared to other TM coaches.

But now in this discussion he is “an underachieving, overrated, low-class moron” who had a “toxic locker room presence”.

So should we give Branko some credit for getting so much out of this “underachieving, overrated, toxic” moron?
Or should we just change narratives depending on the discussion?

[NFL]

Let's be frank about Ali Karimi here. He's an underachieving, overrated, low-class moron who pissed away his best years collecting arab paychecks yet who still somehow managed to fool a generation of gol-kuchik fanboys into idolizing him because of a few cute dribbles in friendly matches with AS Roma and Germany.

severe underachiever, toxic locker room presence, and now, added to the ranks of poison-spewing iranian soccer pundits.

He peaked with his hat trick against south korea in AC 2004, and even that achievement is undone by his blunders against Ireland that cost us WC2002, his locker room coup that spoiled WC2006, and his jealous bashing of CQ. Let's be honest - his problem with CQ is jealousy. He was unseated by CQ as the most well-liked person in Iranian football and it drives him nuts, especially as it becomes increasingly clear that his relevance is waning by the day.

Ali Karimi should STFU. With an unstable mind, inability to lead, and deep oghdeh, he knows his soccer life moving forward will be limited to short-tenured coaching jobs for shit IPL teams (at best). Maybe if he hadn't punched referees, had gone to Europe at an earlier age and had the balls to forgo comfort in dubai for the hardship of playing abroad, had managed his ego, could score 1-on-1 situations to take us to the world cup, etc., he'd have left the game as more of a legend. Unfortunately, these days he's less of a legend and more of a "lajan".

Ali karimi maybe ALL of the things that you said! Still, he has more right and is more qualified than all of his haters combined to speak his mind about anything and everything related to Iranian football!! and furthermore, his shittiest comment carries more weight in footballing terms and closer to reality than ALL the comments made by ALL his haters combined!!!!!!!

and I will leave you with some food for thought:

the man that you just described above was not so long ago chosen as assistant by a world renowned coach named Carlos Qeiroz!
have you heard of him? he coaches Iranian national football team, used to coach Real madrid, and Portugal national team, and assisted Sir Alex for many years! that guy! He CHOSE and gave a job to the man you described above not long ago!! Now think Ramin! I know you can do it!

[shahabGAOL]

Ali Karimi is not a good replacement of CQ. I still hoping Carlos Qurioz will stay with us snd inshalal we WIN Asian Cup! I think if he go CQ Jalal Talebi would be a good option?

[Lorestani]

Can you believe this guy? Instead of holding on to your ignorance, try to learn something here. Put aside your unjustified ego, and start using more of your brain. Ansarian or any other individual cannot (by definition) be a representative of an entire culture, institutions (for example the Iranian institute of Arts and Culture) do represent segments or parts of contemporary Iranian culture. That being said, you could make the argument that Ansarian is a product of Iranian culture, but that is highly debatable as the influence of socioeconomic factors, mental health, family, background etc all play a very important part in forming someone's personality, not just their native culture. But to state that individuals are representatives of their native cultures is beyond ridiculous. Nothing more annoying than debating with people who think they're smart.

I noticed that many of the lads i have discussions with on this forum are experiencing an identity crisis due to growing up or living abroad, which is quite sad. Often they use the same arguments and negativity regarding Iran such as: i am ashamed for this Iranian and this is what Iranian culture is etc, but what they really are experiencing is extreme insecurity due to an identity crisis. And then project this personal insecurity or identity crisis on Iran, or on Iranian culture in this case.

What am I supposed to learn from you? The conflation of identity and representation? Those are two very simple concepts, but unfortunately, you make inconsistent arguments because you conflate them.

The second part of your post just reinforces my impression that you are sidestepping the real issue here. This is perhaps because you are implicitly conceding the point. That's fine, but you could just argue more coherently next time. That would be more honest.

[DR Strangemoosh]

Ali Karimi is not a good replacement of CQ.

!!!!!

[O-ZoNe]

Ali Karimi is not a good replacement of CQ. I still hoping Carlos Qurioz will stay with us snd inshalal we WIN Asian Cup! I think if he go CQ Jalal Talebi would be a good option?

Lol Talebi? Might as well replace CQ with a hendavane! Talebi is a nobody who did nothing with our most inspirational generation of footballers post 1970s.

The best Iranian coach is Mansour Ebrahimzadeh. He has done well with minimal resources and small clubs...case in point his tenure with Zob Ahan. He also has stepped in as TM interim caretaker but never ever given full reigns like other vatani coaches...Even so I still don't think a vatani coach should take on TM.

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[Futbolista]

Ali karimi maybe ALL of the things that you said! Still, he has more right and is more qualified than all of his haters combined to speak his mind about anything and everything related to Iranian football!! and furthermore, his shittiest comment carries more weight in footballing terms and closer to reality than ALL the comments made by ALL his haters combined!!!!!!!
and I will leave you with some food for thought:
the man that you just described above was not so long ago chosen as assistant by a world renowned coach named Carlos Qeiroz!
have you heard of him? he coaches Iranian national football team, used to coach Real madrid, and Portugal national team, and assisted Sir Alex for many years! that guy! He CHOSE and gave a job to the man you described above not long ago!! Now think Ramin! I know you can do it!

May be is two words here!
Being a gifted athlete does not give your words weight or make you a tactical genius.

[NFL]

May be is two words here!
Being a gifted athlete does not give your words weight or make you a tactical genius.

thank you for correcting my typo.

I never claimed that being an athlete gives his words weight! I said, his word carries more weight THAN all his haters combined. the weight of his words may still not be much, but what ever it is, it's more than all his haters combined. these are two different things.

tactical genius?? where did you get that from?

one more thing, look at the first post on this thread. Obviously, Carlos Qeiroz thought highly enough of Karimi's words to choose him as assistant, yes or no?

[Roxanaz80]

Lol Talebi? Might as well replace CQ with a hendavane! Talebi is a nobody who did nothing with our most inspirational generation of footballers post 1970s.
The best Iranian coach is Mansour Ebrahimzadeh. He has done well with minimal resources and small clubs...case in point his tenure with Zob Ahan. He also has stepped in as TM interim caretaker but never ever given full reigns like other vatani coaches...Even so I still don't think a vatani coach should take on TM.
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With all due respect to our local coaches...no way can they be of any long term help. TM needs an up to date, international coach who has the personality, connections, professional work ethic to keep this ball rolling. Enough ghetto mentality, if we want improvement we need to spend money and bring in the relevant experts.

As much as I love TM, it's not an A league team, some people here tend to forget, too many expectations from the players.

...come to think of it that's why I thing they are major jigars, they are not getting the same chances in life as their rivals but boy do they give it the best they've got. Commando CQ fills in the gaps and keeps them moving because he's CREDIBLE.

[Futbolista]

thank you for correcting my typo.

I never claimed that being an athlete gives his words weight! I said, his word carries more weight THAN all his haters combined. the weight of his words may still not be much, but what ever it is, it's more than all his haters combined. these are two different things.

tactical genius?? where did you get that from?

one more thing, look at the first post on this thread. Obviously, Carlos Qeiroz thought highly enough of Karimi's words to choose him as assistant, yes or no?

I'm just pulling your leg a bit!
Queiroz is also not a god and I'm sure he realizes he made a mistake/ he would do things differently the second time around.
Karimi had accumulated a respectable level of social capital thanks to his feet which he has been steadily losing thanks to what lies between his ears.
I'd take the words of his "haters" over his any day of the week as long as they are rational!

[enikoravesh]

bro theres not gonna be a iranian coach. its gonna be a foreign one.
hopefully schaefer though i really want HERVE RENARDDD but he wont leave africa.

[Roozbeh-G2006]

Ali Karimi should be slapped with an injunction not to get closer than 10km to wherever TM is. He is hashiyeh itself.

[Ari]

According to manoto Ali Karimi moved to canada.