Vingada or Kranjcar?

[kiarashzk]

So why is it that were having this pole when... it was said clearly last night on Navad that they wont be getting any out source Coaches and looking for someone young and from Iran....

[clipsport]

I doubt Kranjcar would accept a u-23 coaching position.

[Kiarash]

Vingada or Kranjcar?

Both are shit.

[Abtin]

Any other coach has NOTHING to loose, compared to Vin-gaeed, so any other coach can IMPOSSIBLY be worse than him!

[Bi-honar]

Its unlikely in my opinion for Faraki to leave his post at Sepahan and I genuinely believe that he feels that he's too good for the u23s, whereas I believe Mansourian will take the job if he was offered it and on top of that everyone knows that CQ has a good relationship with him. Taj said that the federation wants to appoint an Iranian coach and I think Mansourian will be reappointed in the upcoming days

Mansourian already refused the position Salar jaan, as per article by St. Mark in the other thread.

Otherwise, he would have been my first choice too.

[O-ZoNe]

Mansourian! He is a wiz with these youngsters.

[rezabmehr]

What problems has Hashemian had with CQ?

Hashemian has criticized CQ publicly for his defensive style and lack of player development in Iran. In a interview (after WC) he slammed CQ and said "CQ hasn't done enough and our state of football is the same in Iran".

[Ghomarbaaz]

How about Mamal Mayeli?? (After he serves his 4 months jail sentences) lol

[rezabmehr]

No matter who they bring in (Hashemian is my choice), we still need to spend money for camps, prep games, facilities and so on. I think a vatani coach can do a better job since they can deal with the players from a personal stand point.
We don't really have a youth system and since we lack all the basics in our football, it will come down to psychology of our individual players and the team. Who can get the most out of them and along the way create a few stars that can help TM? The reason I like to take a chance on Hashemian is maybe he can create something new and position himself as our future TM coach.

[OFFSIDE_1]

I don't think it is necessary that the senior team and U-23 have to work closely. Competition between the two can force both managers and players to try and get better results. It's like having Lockheed-Martin and General Dynamics present their best to vie for government contracts and develop the latest sea-combat systems.

no, it's not the same thing. The U-23 team and the national team should not be competing. There needs to be cooperation between the coaches, because the final goal is to get U-23 players to make it to the national team. This is not Facebook or Amazon versus Google. It's not Facebook's job to develop junior engineers just so they can flourish and become star performers at google.

[Paradigm]

no, it's not the same thing. The U-23 team and the national team should not be competing. There needs to be cooperation between the coaches, because the final goal is to get U-23 players to make it to the national team. This is not Facebook or Amazon versus Google. It's not Facebook's job to develop junior engineers just so they can flourish and become star performers at google.

This view is highly flawed because it excludes COMPETITION as the true vehicle of progress and motivation for doing better. If you wish the senior and U-23 teams working together without a hint of challenge, why not just give them both to CQ and we will all hit the snooze button?

[OFFSIDE_1]

This view is highly flawed because it excludes COMPETITION as the true vehicle of progress and motivation for doing better. If you wish the senior and U-23 teams working together without a hint of challenge, why not just give them both to CQ and we will all hit the snooze button?

um, no .... since you are from the academic world, let me give an analogy that will hit home. Your highschool teacher prepares his/her students for the university. Your highschool teacher does not compete with a university professor. Your highschool teacher focuses entirely on teaching, whereas the university professor already assumes the students have some background and do not need as much hand holding, which leaves more time for the professor to do research.

These two do not compete ..... rather, they complement each other.

The U-23 coach needs to teach the game, whereas the senior coach's job is not to teach. If a player reaches the senior team and needs to be taught the fundamentals of the game, then the system has failed. It's as if a student taking a differential equation course, asking questions about calculus.

the example you brought about competition would apply to PP versus SS or Zobahan vs. Sepahan. Those need to compete.

[Paradigm]

um, no .... since you are from the academic world, let me give an analogy that will hit home. Your highschool teacher prepares his/her students for the university. Your highschool teacher does not compete with a university professor. Your highschool teacher focuses entirely on teaching, whereas the university professor already assumes the students have some background and do not need as much hand holding, which leaves more time for the professor to do research.

These two do not compete ..... rather, they complement each other.

The U-23 coach needs to teach the game, whereas the senior coach's job is not to teach. If a player reaches the senior team and needs to be taught the fundamentals of the game, then the system has failed. It's as if a student taking a differential equation course, asking questions about calculus.

the example you brought about competition would apply to PP versus SS or Zobahan vs. Sepahan. Those need to compete.

I think you just proved my point... We need Kranjcar in charge of U-23 because he is a disciplined teacher... Vingada is not.

[OFFSIDE_1]

I think you just proved my point... We need Kranjcar in charge of U-23 because he is a disciplined teacher... Vingada is not.

no, your point was that we need a coach for the U-23 team that would compete with the National team. Let's just say, anyone that follows Iranian football knows we have enough BS and backstabbing going on as it is. The last thing we need is a U-23 coach who thinks he should have CQ's job. You can have a disciplinarian for the U-23 team, but my point was that it has to be a coach that works side-by-side with CQ, not a political bastard like GN or Kranjcar who we all know showed how much they care about Iranian football by not release their players on time.

[arash123]

I picked kranjcar but Offside_1 brings up a good point. We need cohesiveness for the transition from u23 to TM