Post-Game --- IRAN - SOUTH KOREA (friendly?!?!?!!)

[xerexes]

DD, the fact that you still insist on not acknowledging the difference between 'parking the bus' and a counter-attacking tactic makes it hard to take everything else you say seriously.

If you really think a team that has simply parked the bus can manage to create multiple chances against WC finalists, I think you may be beyond being reasoned with.

[Doctor DOOM]

On the issue of ''counter-attacking'' versus ''defensive'' strategies.

Without writing too long, and to put it simply;
If one opts for counterattacking, then one ought to make sure they are impenetrable.
Which means your line up and roster must include certain style of players. But using a slow buffoon like shojaei who kills the momentum with moronic dribbles, betrays this claim. Not to mention leaving out a custom-made player for counterattacking football, Khalatbari

Also when the keeper has to make that many saves, then you know your defensive strategy is not working and your defense is porous and vulnerable. Then resorting to inviting the opponents to attack you in order to hot them on the run is merely inviting disaster. Maybe you ought to try a different strategy then.

You only concede the pitch when you are sure of your defenses, which includes all lines. Not only the defenders. And when you are sure your keeper would be the least active player on the pitch. Ours wasnt

[OFFSIDE_1]

Right. There were so many things wrong with ''MY'' post!!!
Lets see.
1- yes, yes. We'll be playing Argentina in Asia cup. Besides I assume you consider UAE as the ''first ranked team'' in the world then, for us to stick to this ''park the bus'' strategy. right?
And by that token, Bahrain would be 3rd or 4th, eh?
God only knows what that makes of the likes of Japan. Maybe they belong to an intergalactic multi-terrestrial ranking and league!!!!
2- domination was quite evident. Not only in possession, but the area of the pitch as well as number of passes on opponents' half and the ease of penetration. Not to mention the number of opportunities a team has inside the box and creating danger for the goalie.
When your keeper becomes the man of the match (as almost the entire a place agrees on), it should tell you certain things.
If you think a little you'd recognize it means your defense didn't hold up all that well. It means although you may set the team on a defensive formation, but if your keeper has to make that many saves, some serious ones, then your strategy has failed.
But only superficial fans seem to think ''no goals conceded, then we played well''!!!!!!
Never thinking beyond the superficial layer, or consider luck or lousy finishing by the opponents or .... .
3- when someone tries to put words in my mouth (your "4 forwards, bacheha Hamle ..." funny remark) or when someone tries to exaggerate something to prove a point wrong, ... well it just goes to prove my point was right and the only way to counter it is through silly exaggeration and twisting of words.

Yes. There indeed were so many things wrong with ''my'' post!! Right.

exaggeration and twisting of words???? this is from you ==> "Maybe they belong to an intergalactic multi-terrestrial tanking!!!!" seems you need to follow your own advice.

This is another wrong point in your post ..... did we park the bus against lebanon, qatar or even Uzbekistan in the WC qualifiers? so what is your point about UAE. When have we parked the bus against UAE.
Most championship teams have great GKs. How do you determine if a GK is great??? you look at the saves they make. Sometimes they make 1 or 2, and sometimes they take over the game and become the MVP . Sepp Maier, dino Zoff, Gianluigi Buffon, Oliver Kahn and Manuel Neuer have all been part of great teams in history. They are great GKs that had major successes in tournaments, unless ofcourse you like to disagree on that as well.

Was the 1974 W. German team bad just because Sepp Maier stopped the dutch?? Was Dino Zoff dominating performance in the 1982 WC take anything away from the Italian national team?? There is no difference in your GK saving shots versus your center back stopping the attacker. Or let's look at an example closer to Iran. Should we discredit the Iranian national team because Abedzadeh or Hejazi were dominant??? So once again, the GK is part of the team, and the fact that they make great saves does not take away from the performance of the team.

[xerexes]

On the issue of ''counter-attacking'' versus ''defensive'' strategies.
Without writing too long, and to put it simply;
If one opts for counterattacking, then one ought to make sure they are impenetrable.
Which means your line up and roster must include certain style of players. But using a slow buffoon like shojaei who kills the momentum with moronic dribbles, betrays this claim. Not to mention leaving out a custom-made player for counterattacking football, Khalatbari
Also when the keeper has to make that many saves, then you know your defensive strategy is not working and your defense is porous and vulnerable. Then resorting to inviting the opponents to attack you in order to hot them on the run is merely inviting disaster. Maybe you ought to try a different strategy then.

Look aziz, I think it's obvious at this point you've simply decided CQ sucks and most of your 'analyses' are mainly grasping at every possible straw to support this conclusion and prove yourself right.

We can always debate about one or two players and how they fit into the system, but that doesn't mean the system as a whole is incorrect. And your hyperbole about Haghighi is exactly what I mean when I talk about grasping for straws. You make it sound like our goal was under constant siege and the keeper saved our ass single-handedly with save after save. Not even remotely true. Also funny how you ignore the universal praise here for Dejagah and the equal number of people who called him our MVP when you're making this point...I guess since he's an offensive player that would not suit your argument Going by your logic I guess we played all-out attack because one of our offensive players was MVP.

[xerexes]

Oliver Kahn was chosen the MVP of the whole tournament in WC 2002. That settles it: The German team that made the final that year was the most defensive bus parking team of all time. Shame on you Germany!

[Doctor DOOM]

No I don't think CQ sucks. But he certainly needs to tweak his tactics.

We are playing Asian teams, not Argentina or Germany or Nigeria. Therefore staying with the same ultra defensive attitude when we need to WIN games to advance, against 2nd and 3rd tier ASIAN teams make no sense whatsoever.

So when someone defends this, then I take issue with it.


Secondly, no matter what anyone thinks of CQ, just watching the TM play shows the lack of quality in its performance. This is undeniable. To think otherwise we'll be fooling ourselves.
But after three years in charge and after paying so much money and enduring so much ''fakhr forooshi'' by him and his fanboys, I think we are entitled to expect a far better and more professional quality displays than this.

But if after this much money and time, we still expect or are happy with Talebi-level quality from him, then there's something wrong with us.
He is just too happy with this attitude among fans and unnatural adoration, not to mention card-blanche. Why not. He earns big bucks with the least input, while he continues to dis their football. Hell, i'd take such a job any day. The fault is with US for making him untouchable!

[persiangodfather]

No I don't think CQ sucks. But he certainly needs to tweak his tactics.

We are playing Asian teams, not Argentina or Germany or Nigeria. Therefore staying with the same ultra defensive attitude when we need to WIN games to advance, against 2nd and 3rd tier ASIAN teams make no sense whatsoever.

So when someone defends this, then I take issue with it.


Secondly, no matter what anyone thinks of CQ, just watching the TM play shows the lack of quality in its performance. This is undeniable. To think otherwise we'll be fooling ourselves.
But after three years in charge and after paying so much money and enduring so much ''fakhr forooshi'' by him and his fanboys, I think we are entitled to expect a far better and more professional quality displays than this.

But if after this much money and time, we still expect or are happy with Talebi-level quality from him, then there's something wrong with us.
He is just too happy with this attitude among fans and unnatural adoration, not to mention card-blanche. Why not. He earns big bucks with the least input, while he continues to dis their football. Hell, i'd take such a job any day. The fault is with US for making him untouchable!

you are too critical of him man
I can assure you without CQ there would be no dejagah & gucci
and also rahmati would be your goalie with his shitty pussy boy attitude
now we can see Haghighi is a beast and CQ had alot of faith in pooladi montazeri sadeghi hajisafi.. where were these guys before?
CQ is 100x better then any Iranian coach.. now you want to go get guardiola to bring attacking football to Iran? please be my guest, unless we get better then CQ he is the best and he knows more then me & you so trust his decisions.. he has been right every time

[xerexes]

I won't bother with the 'untouchable' stuff, but can you name some of these "2nd and 3rd tier ASIAN teams" we've played ultra-defensively against under CQ? You can go ahead and exclude the one where we beat Bahrain 6-0. Just out of the qualifiers, in which one of our games against Qatar and Lebanon did we play defensively?

[OFFSIDE_1]

No I don't think CQ sucks. But he certainly needs to tweak his tactics.

We are playing Asian teams, not Argentina or Germany or Nigeria. Therefore staying with the same ultra defensive attitude when we need to WIN games to advance, against 2nd and 3rd tier ASIAN teams make no sense whatsoever.

So when someone defends this, then I take issue with it.


Secondly, no matter what anyone thinks of CQ, just watching the TM play shows the lack of quality in its performance. This is undeniable. To think otherwise we'll be fooling ourselves.
But after three years in charge and after paying so much money and enduring so much ''fakhr forooshi'' by him and his fanboys, I think we are entitled to expect a far better and more professional quality displays than this.

But if after this much money and time, we still expect or are happy with Talebi-level quality from him, then there's something wrong with us.
He is just too happy with this attitude among fans and unnatural adoration, not to mention card-blanche. Why not. He earns big bucks with the least input, while he continues to dis their football. Hell, i'd take such a job any day. The fault is with US for making him untouchable!

When hell freezes

well you obviously missed the point so let me repost

"did we park the bus against lebanon, qatar or even Uzbekistan in the WC qualifiers? so what is your point about UAE. When have we parked the bus against UAE. "

[TM4LIFE]

Post-Game --- IRAN - SOUTH KOREA (friendly?!?!?!!)

I think all of you need to sit back and realize how pointless much of this banter is. Let's be real: when a team hasn't played an organized match in months, you cannot expect them to reassemble in the span of 1-2 weeks and become fluid, impeccable, and dynamic. It simply doesn't happen. You don't see it at our level of football, and you don't see it at Germany's level of football. This is the point of friendlies anyway: to get the team back on track. they should be taken with both a pinch of salt because weaknesses will be terribly exposed, and also with an air of optimism. Do not start the usual tirade against the "dismal state of our football" blah blah blah and don't go around and try to justify shojaei tripping over himself when a ball rolls to him at the speed of a snail. This was a dirty game. It was filthy, edgy, cagey, gritty, and UGLY. But it's a friendly, and the point is to build off of it. We've seen our system in full throttle, and it's pleasing to watch (Argentina). And of course, we've seen our system at its rustiest (need I name examples...). It's only a matter of building up to the former level of quality. This takes time on the pitch, and time to mesh lineups and tune up squad coordination.

And one last point, stop looking at what the Koreans are saying. They are thinking exactly the way you think they are, but their saltiness is of no concern to us.


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[Doctor DOOM]

When hell freezes
well you obviously missed the point so let me repost
"did we park the bus against lebanon, qatar or even Uzbekistan in the WC qualifiers? so what is your point about UAE. When have we parked the bus against UAE. "

Because it was YOU who brought up the Argentina game to explain a game against an asian team, which was highly irrelevant. Not me.
So you'd better ask yourself.

Besides, my Japan, intergalactic, use, ... was ''funny assumption'' since YOU brought up the ''2nd ranked team....'' into a discussion about Asian competition and Asian teams.
Now you see?


And we did play very defensive games (sometimes with too many defensive minded players) against Asian 2nd tier Qatari and minnows like Lebanon. That is my point.
We also did park the bus in Seoul.

[arseces]

Post-Game --- IRAN - SOUTH KOREA (friendly?!?!?!!)

From the moment the Koreans heard the whistle at the end of our final WCQ's we should have expected them to do anything to exact revenge for their first ever home loss to Iran. I think before they even entered the tunnel (that is in between all the fighting and cursing and shoving between the players and staffs of the two teams), the management was on the phone to their federation to arrange for a (revenge) friendly.

By the time they hit the showes, the federation had set up a few dates to fix the match up. And I think on their bus-ride home, the team was promised a re-match to calm their titis down.

Given how it affects them and how desperate they have shown in defeats, one feared another defeat might deal a very mortal blow to their psyche that makes it very hard to recover from. Imagine you lose. get frustrated and come back to regain your loss and then lose some more. worst thing to happen to gamblers. Never get so frustrated to know when to come back. Coz the subsequent loss would be that much more painful.




Finally the day arrived and although they really fell all over themselves claiming there is no "revenge" involved and this is just a "friendly" game, but the roster and recalling of so many of their legionnaires from europe and elsewhere betrayed these claims. Make no mistakes. They were out for blood and they needed it to sooth their hurt rear-ends.


And so the game starts and to my dismay, our coach sticks to his defensive line up and most probably defensive tactics. But when ensued in the next 60-70 minutes was still a surprise. Even to those of us who expected defensive tactics from him. If one didnt know the game was played in Iran and who the opponents were, the way we played gave the impression we were playing against the world champions, Germany in Munich!!!!!!


Given how we parked the bus and played as if we were playing the world champs, I cant really say a lot about this game. Except few incidents and issues that stood out for me. So dont expact any analysis or description of strategy here.


The Koreans dominated the midfield (and the pitch), passed the ball around with ease nd put us under pressure. and on a few occasions came very close to score goals that we were apared only on the last seconds by misdirected shots or sheer grit of our defenders who cleared balls (on the line) with their all.

It didnt take too long for Shojaei to remind us how abysmal and horrendous he has been in the past 2-3 years. tripping all over his feet and giving away the ball was very much expected as that has been his trade-mark since 2012. But this one almost cost us a goal! He went on for another 65-70 minutes of more error-ridden fumbles and foolish decisions, with the exception of one single good pass (which was the odity in the festival of silly mistakes).
When will he retire? I long for the day he does. Because we cant pin our hopes on CQ opening his eyes and making the logical decision of dropping him. I have given up hope CQ would bother with such trivialties as "logic and rationality".


RGN despite having a lackluster showing, showed why he is one of our best hopes for the Asia cup when he took a snap shot/volley off the Hajsafi cross that is seen only from the very best strikers in the world. Shame it didnt go in. But the volley OUGHT TO be appreciated by all. magnificent prsence of mind. Something that is missing in many of our players.


Jahanbakhsh also showed he has matured and is becoming a very deadly, quality attacking force. He has the brightest prospect among our youth players.
Dejagah also had flashes of his brilliant self. But the rust of playing in Persian gulf league does show. He simply has to move away from that b;ack hole.

Haghighi came up with a few very nice saves that really saved our blushes and CQ has to personally thank him for not exposing how poor we play football and how vulnerable we are ... despite mass defense and negative tactics.

With the exit of Shojaei around minute 60-65 and introduction of Azmoun and Rafiei we see a slightly more adventurous (no. it's more like "less defensive") team and the goal was a result of such a move. Nekounam's standard freekick was delivered and after hitting two posts, finally Azmoun dived in and scored over the keeper's hands.


Bedlam. Anger. Frustration. desperation.
friendly? F**k you. this was WAR.
..... well, at least for half of the individuals on the pitch.
The other half was just too bloody happy to have got a goal despyte playing so poorly and getting dominated from the get go.


Then I lost what little respect I had for Korean football. I had already lost much of it in the past couple of years. But fighting and quarelling in this manner after a friendly game was simply too childish and petulant to respect.


I am very concerned about the health of the Koread FA. and the gargantuan amount of frustration they are feeling at the moment. almost tragically funny. or comically tragic. cant decide which.
3 losses in a row?
Ouch that must really hurt
But play well, have more goal opportunities, dominate away .... and then LOSE?
Yikes.
Cant imagine the sheer devastation on the mind!!

^ post of the month, right here^

[Team Melli Fan]

Dejagah & Stielike, his former German youth coach:

[RaginG Inferno]

Khalatbari must take Shojaei's place. Khalatbari is almost perfect for Shojaei's role if we wish to play counter-attacking football.

[xerexes]

And we did play very defensive games (sometimes with too many defensive minded players) against Asian 2nd tier Qatari and minnows like Lebanon. That is my point.

No, we did not play very defensively against Qatar and Lebanon. You can take issues with the way we attacked, but to say we played defensively is simply not true. Even your guy Khalatbari started in both home and away games against Lebanon.