Post-Game --- IRAN - SOUTH KOREA (friendly?!?!?!!)

[OFFSIDE_1]

Azeez, you make it sound like we had 20 good attacks on Korea's net, Shojaei was involved in all of them and just that one time he tripped up and screwed it up. We only had 4-5 decent attacks on Korea's net (which is what you normally have when you're playing a counter-attacking game), Shojaei was involved in two of them and screwed both of them up! 100% failure rate!

One is where his left foot told his right foot not to eat shit which was coincidentally Iran's best counter-attack of the game and the second one was where he made a mess of a very simple pass to Ashkan (over-passed it) and Ashkan had to go around 3 SK players just to get the ball back and lay it off for a cross to Gucci only to have Shajei blocking Gucci on the cross!!! Gucci of course still made good contact.

And if you look at our defensive plays, 50% of the Korean shots from behind our penalty area were from Shojaei not covering his man, or not blocking the ball with his titish mamani body.

And mistakes aren't just what you do when you have the ball, because 90% of football is positioning and vision off the ball. He just doesn't have that. Both times we have played Korea in Iran, we played 100% better after Shojaei left the field and that's also when we scored.

Here's a better question, for a guy who has been on the field for a total of 200 minutes against Korea in 3 games, why don't you name me 5 good plays from Shjaei. That's 1 play every 40 minutes (almost a half)...

here is the issue with your argument. Watching the game on TV, you only see Shojaei's play when he touches the ball. Out of 90 minutes of action, you point to 2 incidents which make up less than 1% of his overall minutes. This is why a coach standing on the field is far more qualified to rate a player's performance, because afterall, they see 99% of that player's minutes which include off the ball plays. You don't see that .... also, the stats you are throwing around are just not accurate and honestly I don't think you can back up your 50% of the korean shots were because of Shojaei not covering claim Also not being on the field, you have absolutely no idea who missed their defensive assignments.

And finally, you claim that 90% of football is positioning and vision ..... well, how can you tell which player had the right positioning or vision, when you are confined to a small area of the field, because you are watching the game from your laptop.

[Doctor DOOM]

This is pretty much the standard field of vision on TV. I am pretty sure we can have a decent idea of who is where and doing what when an attack or counterattack or ... is going on with regards to a midfield player



You make it out as if the camera is perpetually zoomed in on the ball only!


Besides. Lets assume he constantly places himself in the best possible position, off the ball (although for this, one needs the legs and energy and most often the pace ... all of which he lacks. So chances are he usually fails in this). But tragedy is what happens once he receives the ball. And that's when failures and mistakes occur.

[Martin-Reza]

AW: Post-Game --- IRAN - SOUTH KOREA (friendly?!?!?!!)

Ok, please sketch our tactical formation when South Korea had possession and when we had. Rewatched the game yesterday, very interesting and enlightening about Shojaei...

[shayan_esteghlali]

GN had "far better" stats with TM than CQ ??? seems like the state of colorado has been way to liberal with their smoking laws .... GN was tossed out after that pathetic AC tournament. You do realize we lost to S. Korea, something that CQ has yet to do.

under GN we tied Korea in Seoul 1-1, beat them in tehran 2-0, and lost to the in AC in penalties, where out best penalty takers at the time (mahdavikia, khatibi) missed their penalties

[shayan_esteghlali]

I don't care how bad Shojaie is playing and how much everyone hates him. The language being used against one of our fellow countrymen, a player who has put his all for our country, a player who has done so much for our national team, is distgusting... what is it with people calling him "ashghal" "shit" etc. if you want to state the fact that he is not suitable for a starting position in TM you could say it without calling him names, you could state which player you think should replace him...
Personally i don't believe he is playing at a level to be starting for TM at the moment, Hajsafi should be put in the CAM position (his true position), with Dejagah on the left, and Johanbakhsh on the right.

Sadeghian is a great player, but i don't believe that he is currently mature enough to play for TM

[Martin-Reza]

AW: Post-Game --- IRAN - SOUTH KOREA (friendly?!?!?!!)

under GN we tied Korea in Seoul 1-1, beat them in tehran 2-0, and lost to the in AC in penalties, where out best penalty takers at the time (mahdavikia, khatibi) missed their penalties

They brought their u-23 to Tehran against Ghalenoei's full team while in AC they missed half a dozen key players.

[OFFSIDE_1]

under GN we tied Korea in Seoul 1-1, beat them in tehran 2-0, and lost to the in AC in penalties, where out best penalty takers at the time (mahdavikia, khatibi) missed their penalties

a tie, a loss and a draw result versus a win a win and another win result, and not to mention one of those wins with 10 players
interesting you brought up the penalty takers ....

Mahdavi Kia and Khatibi were NOT our best penalty takers. Certainly Khatibi was not.
GN was criticized heavily for having Khatibi take a penalty shot and his response which I remember to this date was that, "well, he came up to me and told me he can do it" ..... and so, GN, the idiot that he is, handed him the ball.

[MR.S]

Did khatibi have some connection within the federation ? I always Wonder how he could get invited to TM?

[Doctor DOOM]

They brought their u-23 to Tehran against Ghalenoei's full team while in AC they missed half a dozen key players.

Exactly. Very true. Although many may not remember.
If we only focus on the numbers then we lose sight of a lot of other pertinent facts that reveal a lot. Therefore merely sticking to the score line is going nowhere if people are discussing quality of performances or the productivity of a team, player or coach.

[Lorestani]

Ok, please sketch our tactical formation when South Korea had possession and when we had. Rewatched the game yesterday, very interesting and enlightening about Shojaei...

So what did you notice? As far as I understand, TM's formation, when SK had possession, was 4-1-4-1 with Nekounam in front of the four-man defense and Ando pushing forward to be between Shojaei and Jahanbaksh (with Ashkan on the far-left position).

[Martin-Reza]

Yes, in possession we played:

----------------------Ghoochannejhad--------------------
--Shojaei----------------Dejagah------------Jahanbakhsh--
-----------------Nekounam----Teymourian------------------
Hajsafi----------Hosseini----------Montazeri---------Heydari
--------------------------Haghighi-------------------------

When Korea had possession it was

----------------------Ghoochannejhad--------------------
--Dejagah--------Shojaei-------Teymourian----Jahanbakhsh--
------------------------Nekounam-------------------------
Hajsafi----------Hosseini----------Montazeri---------Heydari
--------------------------Haghighi-------------------------

There Ando was pressing much more than Shojaei and the latter often dropped back with the side midfielders to play on the same line as Nekounam.

His role was quite similar to Hajsafi's in World Cup, but we were slightly more active in offense and much more aggressive on the middle line in defense.

What I want to point out is that Shojaei's role in the system is quite complex and it needs the right set of skills; a lot of tactical discipline, a certain physique, a lot of flexibility, etc.

The whole package is important and I can understand why Shojaei remains an attractive option for Queiroz.

[Lorestani]

Yes, in possession we played:
----------------------Ghoochannejhad--------------------
--Shojaei----------------Dejagah------------Jahanbakhsh--
-----------------Nekounam----Teymourian------------------
Hajsafi----------Hosseini----------Montazeri---------Heydari
--------------------------Haghighi-------------------------
When Korea had possession it was
----------------------Ghoochannejhad--------------------
--Dejagah--------Shojaei-------Teymourian----Jahanbakhsh--
------------------------Nekounam-------------------------
Hajsafi----------Hosseini----------Montazeri---------Heydari
--------------------------Haghighi-------------------------
There Ando was pressing much more than Shojaei and the latter often dropped back with the side midfielders to play on the same line as Nekounam.
His role was quite similar to Hajsafi's in World Cup, but we were slightly more active in offense and much more aggressive on the middle line in defense.
What I want to point out is that Shojaei's role in the system is quite complex and it needs the right set of skills; a lot of tactical discipline, a certain physique, a lot of flexibility, etc.
The whole package is important and I can understand why Shojaei remains an attractive option for Queiroz.

It didn't occur to me that, in attacking mode, Shojaei and Dejagah would switch positions, which makes it all the more difficult to fulfill Queiroz' duties.

The thing about Ando pushing much more than Shojaei and the others is very interesting. I noticed that, too. Do you think pushing way more forward than the others was something he was supposed to do or just due to his agility and aggressiveness?

[aryanirani]

I think CQ should change the defensive line to this



Pooladi --- Jamaati ---- Hosseini ---- Montazeri



Then have Hajsafi instead of Masoud.

[IranPowned]

I think CQ should change the defensive line to this



Pooladi --- Jamaati ---- Hosseini ---- Montazeri



Then have Hajsafi instead of Masoud.

No way, Sadeghi is solid.