GN is under attack

[DireStraits]

GN is under criticism from everywhere. Frankly I believe most Iranian coaches suck

[Ghermez Agha]

He's being exposed, not being attacked. There's a big difference between the two.

[clipsport]

Navad has been waiting so long for SS to get some bad results so they can attack him. LOL that they had to wait like 3 years so they release all their negativity. This is all part of the Navad v. GN thing. They constantly bash each other. Typical Media Garbage.

[rugs]

There are many reasons for this. Aside from him not being a real manager with zero tactics.

I bet it's partly because cheating and bribing is being exposed and it is not so easy to get that off the field advantage GN is known for.

It's the only explanation as to why he was successful only in Iran but was terrible outside of Iran.

Also, playing Omranzadeh as a forward really dooms your team's chances.

As does blaming players for losses, having goons beat up players and not inspiring a team to do well.

[rugs]

I think you should change the title of this thread.

It should be "GN gets some helpful hints on what is wrong with his team".

It makes you appreciate CQ's defensive strategy compared the GN's "parking the bus"

[hzv]

yah it seems they attack him right at the end of the clip when they try to portray gn as a coach who needs great players. which coach doesn't? i have to say that i believe he is criticized most of the times wrongly and deserves much more credit than he is given. he is one of the best coaches we have. for example he is criticized for using hanif as a forward sometimes but to me this means he is a good coach and he can think outside of the box also usually hanif either scores or creates lots of problems in the air for defenders when he does play forward. even this year with all the injury problems and the awful results in the first half esteghlal is still a contender and will probably finish in top 3.

[Ando Teymourian]

There are many reasons for this. Aside from him not being a real manager with zero tactics.
I bet it's partly because cheating and bribing is being exposed and it is not so easy to get that off the field advantage GN is known for.
It's the only explanation as to why he was successful only in Iran but was terrible outside of Iran.
Also, playing Omranzadeh as a forward really dooms your team's chances.
As does blaming players for losses, having goons beat up players and not inspiring a team to do well.

This is where you and I differ. How can we possibly say that GN was terrible outside of Iran? It looks like you are looking solely at AC 2007, and nothing after that.

Look at his results with Sepahan in ACL. If the ACL didn't have such wonky scheduling, that team could have gone all the way. They beat a lot of good teams away from home. Also I have said this before, that Sepahan team played the best football I have seen from an Iranian club. Ball control, passing, scoring was all very good.

As well, the year SS lost to Seoul. Again due to terrible ACL scheduling, that great SS team was decimated and lost the majority of its good players. But they still put up a decent fight against a very good side. That year SS also beat several good teams away from home.

GN isn't terrible out of Iran. He isn't amazing, but terrible is not the right word.

[Doctor DOOM]

He is the kind of coach who needs plenty of star performers. If he's given a club filled with top quality players he excels. But with a mediocre squad? I'm not so sure he'd be as successful. Yes, He may scrape through. But he won't get championshipsor anything near.

He didn't do well with ss Ahvaz. With Mes ( a merely ok to good squad) he did ok. But Sepahan, traktorsazi,,ss are all big teams filled with star players.
But there are coaches who manage to get results BEYOND their means with squads that normally should not get anywhere near a trophy.
Examples?
Dr. Z did extremely well with a merely ok Saipa squad, winning two championships.
Jalali did it with Saba in Hazfi cup.
EZ did very well with Zob (when most of the present stars, at that time, were mere unknown and hungry players)

[Ando Teymourian]

Agree with you DD to some extent. If GN has the exact team he wants, he can get them to play very good football.

But with examples like Ebrahimzadeh, I wouldn't put the success entirely on the coach either. EZ was amazing, but with cinderella stories like Zob Ahan in the ACL, everything just seems to mesh perfectly at the best time possible.

EZ was at his best, Khalatbari was a man possessed, Igor Castro was hitting the back of the net with every shot, Gordon was the best goalie in Iran (besides Rahmati), Talebi was the most dominant he has/had ever been, Mahini was way better than today, Rajabzadeh looked like he was 8 years younger, Mohammad Hosseini was scoring on every set piece, etc...... Everything was going perfect.

However, Zob and EZ were not able to replicate the same thing the next time around. Nor was EZ able to do much with a pretty decent Peykan side (on paper).

But overall I still agree that we have coaches that do a lot with much less such as EZ, Veisi (with Saba and SS Khuz.)

PS: Sorry if I brought back some sour memories of Zob Ahan's ACL run. It still stings like it was yesterday...


EDIT: As Zandijoon said, Ghazi was a monster for Zob as well. However, he is still a monster now and is probably the top one or 2 effective strikers in the league.

[rugs]

This is where you and I differ. How can we possibly say that GN was terrible outside of Iran? It looks like you are looking solely at AC 2007, and nothing after that.

Look at his results with Sepahan in ACL. If the ACL didn't have such wonky scheduling, that team could have gone all the way. They beat a lot of good teams away from home. Also I have said this before, that Sepahan team played the best football I have seen from an Iranian club. Ball control, passing, scoring was all very good.

As well, the year SS lost to Seoul. Again due to terrible ACL scheduling, that great SS team was decimated and lost the majority of its good players. But they still put up a decent fight against a very good side. That year SS also beat several good teams away from home.

GN isn't terrible out of Iran. He isn't amazing, but terrible is not the right word.

With the teams he had he should've easily won the ACL. SS should've easily beaten Seoul, but instead were handled by a 30 year old Serbian Zlatan wanna be.

Look at EZ and his squad with ZA.

But you're right, he's not a terrible coach, because that would imply that he is in fact a coach.

He is nothing more than an Ali Parvin bezan ziresh ali asghari manager.

[Z Joon]

Agree with you DD to some extent. If GN has the exact team he wants, he can get them to play very good football.

But with examples like Ebrahimzadeh, I wouldn't put the success entirely on the coach either. EZ was amazing, but with cinderella stories like Zob Ahan in the ACL, everything just seems to mesh perfectly at the best time possible.

EZ was at his best, Khalatbari was a man possessed, Igor Castro was hitting the back of the net with every shot, Gordon was the best goalie in Iran (besides Rahmati), Talebi was the most dominant he has/had ever been, Mahini was way better than today, Rajabzadeh looked like he was 8 years younger, Mohammad Hosseini was scoring on every set piece, etc...... Everything was going perfect.

However, Zob and EZ were not able to replicate the same thing the next time around. Nor was EZ able to do much with a pretty decent Peykan side (on paper).

But overall I still agree that we have coaches that do a lot with much less such as EZ, Veisi (with Saba and SS Khuz.)


PS: Sorry if I brought back some sour memories of Zob Ahan's ACL run. It still stings like it was yesterday...

You forgot Ghazi as well, he was a monster, tearing arabs apart. One of the best aerial strikers we have in Iran as well if not the best

[rugs]

Agree with you DD to some extent. If GN has the exact team he wants, he can get them to play very good football.

But with examples like Ebrahimzadeh, I wouldn't put the success entirely on the coach either. EZ was amazing, but with cinderella stories like Zob Ahan in the ACL, everything just seems to mesh perfectly at the best time possible.

EZ was at his best, Khalatbari was a man possessed, Igor Castro was hitting the back of the net with every shot, Gordon was the best goalie in Iran (besides Rahmati), Talebi was the most dominant he has/had ever been, Mahini was way better than today, Rajabzadeh looked like he was 8 years younger, Mohammad Hosseini was scoring on every set piece, etc...... Everything was going perfect.

However, Zob and EZ were not able to replicate the same thing the next time around. Nor was EZ able to do much with a pretty decent Peykan side (on paper).

But overall I still agree that we have coaches that do a lot with much less such as EZ, Veisi (with Saba and SS Khuz.)


PS: Sorry if I brought back some sour memories of Zob Ahan's ACL run. It still stings like it was yesterday...

ZA did well the following year too in the ACL. They topped their group, won the first round and had a heart breaking loss in extra time if I remember correctly.

[clipsport]

He is the kind of coach who needs plenty of star performers. If he's given a club filled with top quality players he excels. But with a mediocre squad? I'm not so sure he'd be as successful.

That's true about pretty much every coach in the world. What do you think the #1 factor is for a team's success in the EPL? It's player salaries. At the end of the day, the coach isn't gonna do any magic. Good players will get you good results. And GN has always done well with good players. Which shows that he is a competent coach.

[Ando Teymourian]

With the teams he had he should've easily won the ACL. SS should've easily beaten Seoul, but instead were handled by a 30 year old Serbian Zlatan wanna be.

Look at EZ and his squad with ZA.

But you're right, he's not a terrible coach, because that would imply that he is in fact a coach.

He is nothing more than an Ali Parvin bezan ziresh ali asghari manager.

You have your history GN (for lack of a better phrase), so you are not being fair right now.

Sepahan was dismantled halfway through ACL. Lost Jalal, Rahmati, Heydari, Toure, Janjus, hell even Kazemian and Enayati were strong bench players. GN left too. How can a coach beat Hilal away twice with bezan ziresh? Or Rayyan with so many stars?

As for the Seoul game, again SS lost players halfway through ACL. Everyone was discussing not being paid and many key players left. With a depleted team they still outplayed Seoul.

SS should have easily beaten Seoul, and Iran should have easily beaten Lebanon. Yet we know football doesn't work that way and the scoreline isn't the full story. Iran murked Lebanon but still lost, and SS was overall better than Seoul over 2 legs but still lost.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

. Aside from him not being a real manager with zero tactics.

I am no GN fan, and dont like him at all... But totally disagree with the remark "he not being a real manager".
He is one of the few IPL coaches who have a proper coaching license AND in case of GN an internship in Germany... at Bayer Leverkusen under coach Christof Daum to be precise!

So, he is a qualified coach, whether we like him or not, and has been the most succesful among the rest Iof PL coaches for the past 6 years.
Again, I dont like him at all. But we have also to be fair with the words we select. The man IS qualified for what he does albeit not on my sympathy list!