Still waiting for CQ to convince

[xerexes]

Team A:
0 shots on target
4 corners

Team B:
4 shots on target
12 corners

Conclusion by PS4 Academy of Expert Patriot: Team B was outplayed.

[ali alipour]

This is guy is clearly a troll as he just posts something so stupid then disappears. He knows hes talking out of his ass and just wants the reactions.

[Bi-honar]

Doctor joon, you know we shared some of the same sentiments and frustrations after the Bosnia game, but since then we have played 5 matches and there's no point now regressing back to 4 years ago or even what happened during the world cup.

Rather than looking at individual performances (particularly one that left a lot be desired like this last game) or whether CQ/TM has been convincing overall, I think it's easier to break it down to the following categories and think about them one by one:


Defense

I think it's difficult to argue that we have not been convincing in defense even for the most die hard critics. We tied our record for the least GA's in the WC and we've now followed that up with 0 goals against in the group stage of another major tournament - the 1st time since 1976 when we were head and shoulder above other Asian teams and won the Asian Cup.

More importantly, Haghighi is yet to make a save in this tournament that a good recreational goalie wouldn't have been able to make. So, this one is really tough to argue against and it's not really a subjective issue, rather than one that's backed up by facts. So overall, we have been the most convincing that we have ever been in defense.


Discipline, Physical Play & Fitness

Again, it's tough to argue that TM does not have more of a physical presence than it did before. The number of tackles and amount of hustle and fighting for the ball is definitely new. I also don't remember any other period in time where we were a 90 minute team - or 91 minute team as it turned out with Gucci's header - hell, had we been a 91 rather than 90 minute team even 6 months ago, we would have tied Argentina!

The amount of running has been phenomenal and the fact the Ando's finally starting to get some serious credit from TM fans, after playing in TM for 10 years and largely going unnoticed, is a testament to the hard-work ethic CQ has instilled in the team.

That brings me to the last point and that's discipline - something that was always lacking in TM and got us in trouble, except for a very short period under Ivic and we all saw how that ended - with a mutiny from the players to get rid of him! CQ has rode all the storms and still going strong and the boys have seemed very united since early 2013.

So I would say not only that we have been very convincing in all of these 3 areas, but that this is the most convincing we have ever been.


Tactics

This is obviously a subjective area. Some people like to see more fluid football regardless of results and some people prefer results and don't mind a defensive game style. I think the majority of TM fans fall into the 2nd category, although I'm sure some would like to see TM being more adventurous and fluid, without risking results.

Since this is all subjective, one group is not going to convince the other or vice versa and CQ is unlikely to convince the fans that fall into the 1st group - ever. So, it's a lot easier for these fans to just be happy with and convinced by the results than to hope for some drastic changes that will come after Godot!


Offense

This an area where both CQ and TM can improve IMHO. We scored a single goal in the WC (a record low) and now followed that up with 4 goals in the group stage of the Asian Cup, which is the lowest since 1992. This is definitely an area of weakness for TM and one that we need to work on going forward. There's no point denying that or getting offensive about it - pardon the pun!

I think it comes down to a combination of the boys learning to become more focused in a counter-attacking game and taking better care with their final touches and CQ using slightly less conservative tactics. I am almost certain that he's still not even close to 100% in terms of trusting that Iran can be a GREAT team.

So overall, I don't think we have been convincing in this area, but I do think that with every win, especially against progressively tougher opponents, the less cautious CQ will be with his tactics and the more confident the boys will become. Don't forget just 2-1/2 years ago we were off to a pretty crappy start in WCQ scoring a single goal in 5 games, but went on to score 6 in the next 3 games. We've scored 6 goals in 5 games since the WC against some pretty decent opposition. Let's see how we do as this tournament progresses.

[OFFSIDE_1]

who said he hasnt done anything? he qualified iran to the world cup. he defenately is not the most accomplished tm coach in history, that one is just simple math but if he wins the asian cup then you got a case if he loses to iraq in quarters he should be fired,if he loses to japan or korea in the semis then again he has done nothing special to be even mentioned as the most accomplished coach in tm history. even if he takes us to the final and loses he has taken us to the next level but as it stands now and until we count the joojehs he has been one of 4 coaches that qualified us to the world cup.

who has accomplished more? mayeli kohan? Heshmat ? Branko? Ghotbi? please let us know

[ali alipour]

who has accomplished more? mayeli kohan? Heshmat ? Branko? Ghotbi? please let us know

well yes branko has technically accomplished more as he came in 3rd at 2004 ac. But queiroz can potentially surpass that hopefully in the coming weeks

[Afat11]

Some TM fans will not think CQ has convinced until we are literally Spain. They overlook all the flaws of our past teams (couldn't defeat Arabs, would concede 4 goals often, despite scoring a lot). Basically, Dr. Doom and some others would prefer us to be the current UAE than Iran.

Despite UAE having talent and quality in their side, you could tell yesterday that they have 0 tactics. Iran also had 0 tactics in previous generations. We got by on the sheer talent of our players.

A coach like Branko taking the talent of that 2004 team to only the 3rd place is a disgrace. With those talented players, we should have qualified for every World Cup and gone far, and won every Asian Cup.

But we didn't... So, please, for the sake of Dr. Doom and other PFDCer's who think Iran isn't entertaining them, bring Afshin Ghotbi back. His games were exciting. Bring back Daei, he was an offensive coach. Bring any of them back and give them the current crop of players we have at our disposal, minus Dejagah and Gucci who would not have come to Iran if there was not a professional coach like CQ in charge.

Ghotbi and Branko tried to bring Dejagah in and he wouldn't until CQ was in power. He has said on many occasions how him and all the players enjoy having a coach like CQ.

Why do you all hate a team that gets results, is cohesive, plays with a tactic and has no Rahmatis or Aghilis creating hashieh.

CQ has revolutionized a stagnating Iranian football team. We were stagnating after 2007, and were on the path that Saudi Arabia is currently on. We were blessed to finally get a professional coach who can win us games.

Yet you guys want to complain that we're not ultra-attacking. Do you want Iran to win the Asian cup, or not? Seriously!! It's ridiculous. We got rid of the Shah because people thought he couldn't convince either. Iranians are never happy when they should be, and then we screw ourselves and cry for 40 years after pushing away something that was actually working for us, despite it being imperfect. Not to get too political, but that's really an Iranian mentality that we have still not overcome.

Even when things are going well, we are unhappy. We think we want something more, but we just can't stand the status quo. CQ is doing fine. If we are eliminated in QF, I will question his tactics, but seeing everything he has done up to now, I will never question the man's love for Iran, and will to win.

He is defensive, yes. But he has a gameplan, and I like that. When I watch Iran, I know it will be an ugly game, but I also know that we can beat anyone if we push ourselves. When was the last time we could say that?

[OFFSIDE_1]

well yes branko has technically accomplished more as he came in 3rd at 2004 ac. But queiroz can potentially surpass that hopefully in the coming weeks

yes, Branko was close ...... but as it has been mentioned in the past, that team had the following players:
Hashemian (bundesliga)
Rezaei (serie A)
Mahdavi kia (bundesliga)
Zandi (bundesliga)
Ali Karimi (bundesliga)
Navid kia (bundesliga)
Nekounam (future star)
Shojaei (future star)
Teymourian (future star)
Kaabi (today we have heydari)

Is it even a fair comparison. Outside of Dejagah, who do we have that is even remotely close to the players we had in 2006? Also branko lost control of the team in the worldcup. That does not make him an accomplished coach in my mind

[xerexes]

well yes branko has technically accomplished more as he came in 3rd at 2004 ac. But queiroz can potentially surpass that hopefully in the coming weeks

CQ has already achieved something Branko never even came close to or even attempted to do: Establishing a professional, unified, team-first mentality in the national team. Team Melli under Branko was essentially run by cliques of players, with Daei running the most dominant one and Karimi the other. By the time it reached the world cup it was a 'team' in name only. The spirit and discipline CQ has instilled in this team is unlike anything I've ever seen in an Iranian side.

[Beeza]

Still waiting for DOOM to convince

[K. Nader]

The problem with members like Doctor Doom is that they always put themselves in win-win situations with their attitudes.

If we win and become the champions, he'll be happy and celebrate. If we lose, he'll come back with another thread in which he'll talk about how he was right this whole time and how CQ has contributed nothing to our football, etc.

The timing of this thread is AMAZING.

[khodam]

While I agree with Dr Doom on the lack of conviction from TM, it is hard to pin point the problem. Had TM played any friendlies we could measure improvements in terms of progress. But as Perspolise#1 mentioned, the lack of friendlies will force anyone's hand into desperate measures.

But I do agree that have not seen the right game flow in TM other than in that defensive side.

[ilovefootball]

Critics need to SHUT THEIR MOUTH until Iran loses at which point I would simply leave these threads alone. Anyone criticizing TM on an iranian FAN forum is a huge jerk, a little punk seeking attention.

[arvin_guzoo]

The problem with members like Doctor Doom is that they always put themselves in win-win situations with their attitudes.

If we win and become the champions, he'll be happy and celebrate. If we lose, he'll come back with another thread in which he'll talk about how he was right this whole time and how CQ has contributed nothing to our football, etc.

The timing of this thread is AMAZING.

I don't post much on these forum's. Mainly a lurker for the past 7-8 years since i made my account....and my friend you hit the nail on the fukin head lol.

[Afat11]

The problem with members like Doctor Doom is that they always put themselves in win-win situations with their attitudes.

If we win and become the champions, he'll be happy and celebrate. If we lose, he'll come back with another thread in which he'll talk about how he was right this whole time and how CQ has contributed nothing to our football, etc.

The timing of this thread is AMAZING.

This, this, 10000000000000 times, this.

I said it in my other thread that being a pessimist is the easiest way to go. Having any belief or hope in anything is difficult. It's much easier to cry and moan about everything than to look on the bright side.

People will always complain first to keep their hopes down to not ever have to face adversity or loss. It's hard to have a winner's mentality. Much easier to just mope around.

[Martin-Reza]

Queiroz will be pretty down if he realizes he hasn't convinced Doctor DOOM yet.