Iran's ugly way too much for Omar Abdulrahman

[RaginG Inferno]

Comparisons with Ali Karimi are absurd and cause me to question the knowledge of anyone who even brings it up.

Ali Karimi thrived at the very highest level - he was the starting player for Bayern Munich in the Bundesliga and Champions League (not Mainz, but the very best team in Germany) and had relegated Schweinsteiger to the bench. The President of Bayern at the time, Rummenigge IRIC, stated that Bayern were shocked at his technical level before his knee injury and had bought 'a player that can basically destroy teams alone' or words to that effect.

With Iran, he single-handedly beat teams. The Asian Cup 2004 was a good example, where he basically led the entire attack against Thailand, Oman, Japan, Korea, China and Bahrain on his own.

Who can forget his utter humiliation of world class defences, like the friendly against Germany or the friendly against Roma?

Omar is a long, long way off Karimi, although he is clearly the best Arab player at the moment. He had a few game-opening passes and a good dribble against Iran, but that was it. He was unable to impact the game in any meaningful way. I watched the game live and Nekounam, with his deft positioning, controlled Omar very easily. Nekounam's performance exceeded Omar's, undoubtedly. By the end of the game, whenever Omar was 1 v 1 with Nekounam, he would pass the ball away. I do not believe Omar has even scored a single goal in this tournament.

[Camran khan]

Comparing Omar to AK8 is like comparing Jahanbakhsh to Mahdavikia. Jahanbakhsh is good, but he has played football for like 2 weeks in comparison to Mahdavikia. Hell, at least Jahanbakhsh plays in Holland.

[jahandoost]

Comparisons with Ali Karimi are absurd and cause me to question the knowledge of anyone who even brings it up.

Vaghean, Ali Karimi ye chize digei bood. Something that I don't think Iran will ever produce again, maybe close to him but never the same.

[xerexes]

I still don't get why Karimi and this guy have to be compared at all. They were players of different molds. But if we're going to do it, it only makes sense to compare them at the same age. Sure, when you compare Karimi's entire career to this guy's at 23 it's no contest. But when Karimi was that age he wasn't nearly as good at reading the game or as complete as a player. At 23 he was mainly a fancy dribbler with a major selfish streak. He used to get criticized constantly for breaking our momentum with needless solo runs and ignoring open mates till he lost the ball. Now whether or not Abdulrahman reaches the same heights by the end of his career is not certain, but for me there is no question he's way more developed as a player at 23 than Karimi was at the same age.

[IPG]

He has a good eye and a great pass but apart from that very very hyped from what I have sees so far. He is to slow and physically to limited to play in any European league. Ali Karimi in his glory days would eat this guy up.

Again the kid has a good head on his shoulder and plays mature for his age but his is physically to limited to ever mount to anything to big. EU defenses would eat him up and chew him out.

[babak_australia]

I still don't get why Karimi and this guy have to be compared at all. They were players of different molds. But if we're going to do it, it only makes sense to compare them at the same age. Sure, when you compare Karimi's entire career to this guy's at 23 it's no contest. But when Karimi was that age he wasn't nearly as good at reading the game or as complete as a player. At 23 he was mainly a fancy dribbler with a major selfish streak. He used to get criticized constantly for breaking our momentum with needless solo runs and ignoring open mates till he lost the ball. Now whether or not Abdulrahman reaches the same heights by the end of his career is not certain, but for me there is no question he's way more developed as a player at 23 than Karimi was at the same age.

Fuck me. Someone with a brain and logic.

It seems like it is impossible for some people to appreciate a good player not from Iran.

First of all I didnt say Omar was better cause he isnt (yet?) but just saying Karimi is better "cause he is" doesn't win an argument.

By my calculation Karimi was 26 (maybe 27) when he left the middle east yet people are using the argument of him playing for Bayern. Well Omar still has some years left before that age doesn't he so that argument is VOID!!!!

I said in my original post that I hope Omar goes to Europe so I can see if he is as good as he looks but my bias will never ever get in the way of appreciating someone with genuine skill and vision. Omar is a star and if you cant see that on tv then I hope you can see him play live one day as his vision, movement and finding space was simply amazing. Everyone around me at the game couldnt stop talking about him.

A shame the other players in his team look to be far below his level. He also could have done the arab thing and gone down for a penalty against us, which he didnt. That kind of thing always earns my respect as well.

Just thinking if he was in our team behind the striker. WOW!!!!!

[TheBoss]

did they win the game though?

Omar "i'm Yemeni, born in saudi, play in UAE for money" Abdulrahman can be the greatest player in the world, but he is still a loser against Iran. He couldn't do anything against us and was completely shut down. He hasn't accomplished anything yet.

[babak_australia]

did they win the game though?

Omar "i'm Yemeni, born in saudi, play in UAE for money" Abdulrahman can be the greatest player in the world, but he is still a loser against Iran. He couldn't do anything against us and was completely shut down. He hasn't accomplished anything yet.

Jeez. Thats not even the argument brother.

It is simply a discussion about the skills of an individual.

[TheBoss]

Jeez. Thats not even the argument brother.
It is simply a discussion about the skills of an individual.

I don't know, there have been many great players in history who are now not remembered because they never won any major game or tournament. who cares if he is good, can he win games? that's what football is about.

[babak_australia]

I don't know, there have been many great players in history who are now not remembered because they never won any major game or tournament. who cares if he is good, can he win games? that's what football is about.

So based on your logic why are we remembering Karimi?

Unfortunately for you were are not from Brazil or Germany I guess.

I on the other hand will remember all kind of players, even if they didnt win much. There is some legends who never played in a World Cup or won a league.

[TheBoss]

So based on your logic why are we remembering Karimi?

Unfortunately for you were are not from Brazil or Germany I guess.

I on the other hand will remember all kind of players, even if they didnt win much. There is some legends who never played in a World Cup or won a league.

Because we are Iranian and he was one of the best players from Iran? because he won the Bundesliga with Bayern Munich and the German knock-out cup with both Bayern and Schalke 04? because he won the asian games with TM in 1998? Because he finished third with TM in the 2004 asian cup, because in the same cup he manhandled south korea and scored a hat trick against them? Because he was that asian cup's top scorer? because he was Asian Footballer of the year?

Has Omar done any of that? any?

[Camran khan]

Because we are Iranian and he was one of the best players from Iran? because he won the Bundesliga with Bayern Munich and the German knock-out cup with both Bayern and Schalke 04? because he won the asian games with TM in 1998? Because he finished third with TM in the 2004 asian cup, because in the same cup he manhandled south korea and scored a hat trick against them? Because he was that asian cup's top scorer? because he was Asian Footballer of the year?
Has Omar done any of that? any?

Baba those are all sh!t awards, even my grandmother could win them, while Omar, at the age of 23, has already become Emirati player of the year!!!!!!!!!!!!
He had to beat living legends like Ali Makhbout and Ismail Matar to win that.

[BacheLot]

I still don't get why Karimi and this guy have to be compared at all. They were players of different molds. But if we're going to do it, it only makes sense to compare them at the same age. Sure, when you compare Karimi's entire career to this guy's at 23 it's no contest. But when Karimi was that age he wasn't nearly as good at reading the game or as complete as a player. At 23 he was mainly a fancy dribbler with a major selfish streak. He used to get criticized constantly for breaking our momentum with needless solo runs and ignoring open mates till he lost the ball. Now whether or not Abdulrahman reaches the same heights by the end of his career is not certain, but for me there is no question he's way more developed as a player at 23 than Karimi was at the same age.

I don't recall his very early career too much, as back then i wasn't an avid Iran Football follower, but agree that AK8 became Far more of wholesome footballer after his Byern spell..!!

[babak_australia]

Because we are Iranian and he was one of the best players from Iran? because he won the Bundesliga with Bayern Munich and the German knock-out cup with both Bayern and Schalke 04? because he won the asian games with TM in 1998? Because he finished third with TM in the 2004 asian cup, because in the same cup he manhandled south korea and scored a hat trick against them? Because he was that asian cup's top scorer? because he was Asian Footballer of the year?

Has Omar done any of that? any?

Again most of the things you are mentioning happened after Karimi turned 27.

This is not me saying Omar is better by the way, he is still too young to know that. This is purely me saying the kid has amazing talent and with the right career decisions it would be interesting to see what he achieves. Some of you are just so biased that on principle alone you wont even consider someone can be better than one of ours.

His club stats are pretty good for a young guy: 74 games 22 goals and 41 assists is an amazing return.
Obviously the UAE league is much weaker than IPL but I still think those numbers are very good. Then again Karimi did his best work in UAE.
Karimi at same age in club career did not seem to have as good a stats

Time will tell. I for one enjoy watching this kid and hope he can reach his full potential. This is not about supporting an Arab, this is about my love of football and enjoying watching great players play, no matter where they are from.

[Camran khan]

Again most of the things you are mentioning happened after Karimi turned 27.
This is not me saying Omar is better by the way, he is still too young to know that. This is purely me saying the kid has amazing talent and with the right career decisions it would be interesting to see what he achieves. Some of you are just so biased that on principle alone you wont even consider someone can be better than one of ours.
His club stats are pretty good for a young guy: 74 games 22 goals and 41 assists is an amazing return.
Obviously the UAE league is much weaker than IPL but I still think those numbers are very good. Then again Karimi did his best work in UAE.
Karimi at same age in club career did not seem to have as good a stats
Time will tell. I for one enjoy watching this kid and hope he can reach his full potential. This is not about supporting an Arab, this is about my love of football and enjoying watching great players play, no matter where they are from.

I don't know how many assist Karimi had at Al-Ahli, but he scored 45 goals in 69 league games, so yeah, that is pretty impressive. Karimi played in UAE from the age of 23-27 I think. Karimi probably had a sh!tload of assist too, even our worthless Jabbari has scored 12 goals in 37 games in UAE in all competitions, averaging 0.324 goals/game, while Omar has 0.297 goals/game in the league as you mentioned, where overall in all competitions Omar averages 0.252 goals/game for his club.