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    Bitter disappointments, History re-written, and the way forward ?

    It's now been a few hours since the game and most of us have finally calm down a little. It's heart-breaking to lose, and it's always even worse to lose over an unjust call or the same pattern.
    Penalties: They are not luck
    Until we think penalties are lottery, we'll never win a shoot-out. There is a reason a keeper like Diego Alves saves 50% of penalties saved, but someone like Jasper Cillisson allows all 100% in. It's a skill both ways. If you study personal guides of top managers, they all treat penalties as tactical battles with intense preparations. What is it in Iranian water that we never ever win a shoot-out when it matters ? This was our 4th consecutive loss in a PK in Asian Cup, and the 3rd time in the last 4 editions that we've gone out of the competition in the shoot-outs. This no longer is luck, because even if it was, then it'd have to balance itself out somehow. It reminds me of England national team who have a habit of going out in QF stage of competition in penalties.
    In the previous occasions, it was our pen takers who seemed psychologically overawed by the occasion. Yesterday, I felt we were much improve in that respect, but sadly Haghighi looked psychologically very nervous and beaten. I don't know why, but CQ with his vast experience at top level I thought will have Alireza shit-talking and winding up the opposition. As it goes with Alireza's personality, I wish he'd fuck around with Iraqi players. Do keep-ups with the ball, make himself big by touching the woodwork and screaming...doing the spaghetti dance, or hell even swear at the Iraqi players to take their mind off.
    We had the advantage of taking the penalty first, so if scored, the pressure on their taker would be immense and we had that advantage 7-8 times, and Alireza never tried to add to their pressure by winding them up. I know some on here are beacon of fair play, but the match yesterday wasn't football. It was a fucking war. We should have gone all dirty and used the dirtiest of tricks to swing the advantage in our favour. Remember the fuss Zico made when Japan were 2-0 down in penalties vs. Jordan in 2004 and he totally ruined their focus and momentum, which caused in Japan coming back in penalties and eventually winning the tournament ? Hope Alireza learns from this, because he'll be involved in more PK shoot-outs with TM in the future.
    What Now ?
    What's done is done. AFC doesn't feel sorry for us, neither does FIFA. They love the underdog cinderella story and there is more chance of Natalie Portman being matched on Tinder with a PFDC member and shag him, than this changing. EVER.
    We tried a new way of football in the last 4 years because it suited our players. But with Nekounam's impending retirement, starts a new era. We are lucky enough to have a good core. By that, I mean a keeper and striker who are both young and already very good, with potential to get a lot better.
    WCQ draw will be made in July, we'll have to play for AFC Qualifiers next time too (missing out on all the FIFA friendly dates...not that it matters for us :lol: )....
    Looking at our current roster...we had a few players already 30+.
    Nekounam, Sadeghi, Hosseini, Ando, and Heydari. I think Javad will go, Sadeghi should as well. and Heyday is just not good enough for TM. Jamal and Ando still have a couple of years to give for TM be it as a starter (for Ando's case) or as a sub if a new talent emerges for Jalal's case. Other than that, it's a talented group of players who will be or will be hitting their mature and prime years in build up to Russia 2018 and further.
    I hope now that there is no immediate short-term goals to achieve, we'll make a few revisions to the system and come up with plans to get our best players on the pitch and finding a system that brings the best out of them. A system that allows Dejagah, Jahanbakhsh, Gucci and Azmoun to play together. A long-term platform that builds the team around these 4 players who are among the best offensive players in Asia. We had a real lack of attacking quality when Daei and Hashemian retired, Karimi got on with age. Now, while not as good as those generation yet, this is a real promising set of players. Hope we allow them to flourish with each other.
    With nothing important on the horizon (At least not until second round of WCQ which will start in 1.5 years), use the FIFA dates to drill the new way forward. We are run by a dictatorship, so at least we should get on well with arranging friendlies with other dictatorships. Get the phone out and call Kazakhstan/Belarus/Uzbekistan/Russian FAs and more. Finally set up a freaking game with Australia after 20 years....don't waste precious months setting up a committee of rich cunts analyzing what went wrong in australia. We all know what went wrong. waste no time and use the smallest of opportunities to our benefit and they add up.
    I really want to use the "We have to fix our country first" excuse, and We have to. We are very under-performing infrastrcuturally based on our talent pool and potential resources....but people in our country aren't being executed for watching football as ISIS did to Iraqi teens during their game vs. Jordan. It's a damn shame that we have no friends in this world and even a pub organization like Iraq's federation is more competent than us.
    I'm just gutted. When we came back twice with 10 men to make it 3-3, it was a feeling of "written in the stars" for us to win it....what followed with the most anti-climatic I've felt as a football fan since Stevie Gerrard's slip in last year's title-race. It really is a cruel fucking sport, and we aren't catching a break

    #2
    To be fair we did ok in pks for once, the Iraqis were just better

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      #3
      all we needed was 1 freakin PK save from haghighi....we had about 3 chances and he went the wrong way on all of them.

      we suck at PK and never win, simple as that

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        #4
        I cant imagne what there is comming, my brain will be stuck on this for a loooong time.

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          #5

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            #6
            If I was Kafashian, without any jokes, I would immediately start the process for Iran to leave the AFC. This was the last straw in my books. The refereeing was a near copycat of the Asian Cup 2004 semifinal. They even targeted the same post (LB) for the red card... must have examined the film from 2004 beforehand. If you have not watched the film for Uzbekistan and Saudi Arabia group match, I encourage you to do so now and see how outrageous Williams' refereeing was. Staying quiet and taking it year after year only insures that such instances will continue.
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            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footbal...he_Asian_Games

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              #7
              Originally posted by Paradigm View Post
              If I was Kafashian, without any jokes, I would immediately start the process for Iran to leave the AFC. This was the last straw in my books. The refereeing was a near copycat of the Asian Cup 2004 semifinal. They even targeted the same post (LB) for the red card... must have examined the film from 2004 beforehand.
              I agree AFC is way too corrupt for us. We should leave immediately!

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                #8
                http://video.news.com.au/v/284291/Re...ssing-decision

                -interesting half time video about the ref- MUST WATCH
                -this is evidence and if football wasn't rigged it would have been end of his career as a ref
                Last edited by Farhad21; 01-23-2015, 12:26 PM.

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                  #9
                  We're the England of Asia when it comes to PKs


                  S - E - C - U - L - A - R - I - S - M

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                    #10
                    Bitter disappointments, History re-written, and the way forward ?

                    I am so depressed, i havent slept since the game, the night before the game i slept only 3 hours because i was so excited, i have never been this heartbroken in my life before, i was in the stadium in belo when messi scored the 90th minute goal, it wasnt as bad as this, i was there in salvadore when bosnia swept us, i wasnt this sad, those losses were okay, the better team won (specially in the bosnia game), but this game against iraq was horrific, if we had 11 players we would have easily finished this game 2-0 maybe 3-0, we were in control of the game in a way we havent controlled any other game, i was expecting a easy win until pouladi got the red, then the extra time goals came, once gucci scored the goal in the 119th minute i was certain we will win, it was like it was meant to be for us to win, and then we all saw what happened, im heart broken, this team deserved so much more, i hope williams gets his heart broken, so he knws how he made 80 million iranians feel today, how he made 23 lions that played their heart out feel today... CQ is more gheyrati than any iranian coach we have ever had, he has gheyrat no one in Iran has had, he is a great coach, and the only khareji coach of his stature that can work on Iran, the only hope i have is that he will stay as TM coach and guide us to the WC, if he leaves us we will waste another 3-4 years and fall behind just like we did after the 2006 WC
                    Bookmark the PFDC Calendar for TM & WCQ games
                    http://sites.google.com/site/pfdccalendar/
                    [Click on a game to see detailed description including time]
                    Villa + Messi =

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                      #11
                      I'm optimistic about the future. We have some young solid players who seem to know how to control the ball. Not just physically strong.
                      We just don't have a charismatic playmaker. A Karimi style player, who would sit behind the strikers and open defences up.
                      I think Dejagah is good but he just doesn't have that through ball vision in my opinion. I've literally not seen a single through ball played to any of the strikers in the box throughout the past year.

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                        #12
                        Bitter disappointments, History re-written, and the way forward ?

                        I really admired Jahanbakhsh and his fighting spirit today. Notice how cool he was when he took the pen (I didn't watch any of the pens except his), the dude is 21 and already mature like a 28 year old player.

                        This Azmoun-Jahanbakhsh duo is going to be very important in Asia in a few years. Pouraliganji is also going to be a key player.

                        Let's pray Saeid Ezz developps well and cracks into a good Spanish team, our future looks bright and I am hopeful. TM has quality written all over its face.

                        Let's stay positive and hope for the best! But hopefully we start playing more attacking. Guys like Dejagah, Jahanbakhsh, Azmoun, Ezzatolahi etc are made for attacking football. Enough with this staying at the back at all cost nonsense!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by ZandiJoon View Post
                          I really admired Jahanbakhsh and his fighting spirit today. Notice how cool he was when he took the pen (I didn't watch any of the pens except his), the dude is 21 and already mature like a 28 year old player.

                          This Azmoun-Jahanbakhsh duo is going to be very important in Asia in a few years. Pouraliganji is also going to be a key player.

                          Let's pray Saeid Ezz developps well and cracks into a good Spanish team, our future looks bright and I am hopeful. TM has quality written all over its face.

                          Let's stay positive and hope for the best! But hopefully we start playing more attacking. Guys like Dejagah, Jahanbakhsh, Azmoun, Ezzatolahi etc are made for attacking football. Let's stop this staying at the back at all cost nonsense!

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                            #14
                            I have to add, if I am hypothetically ever the head coach of the Iran national team one day, Mehrdad Pouladi would never again get a call up simply because he showed that he lacks the level of intelligence that would enable him to avoid problem spots when things really matter. In this case he moved too close to the Iraqi goal keeper so that his legs were hovering over the keeper's head, essentially putting himself in the suspicious spot. Then follows his acting out by taking a big dive as soon as the Iraqi guy touches him, as if he watched that 2004 Chinese defender way too many times. He acted as if he was guilty, instead of standing up and talking to the ref in English explaining his case. This guy was in the Brazil World Cup 7 months ago and yesterday acted like a complete amateur. The whole scene made me think I was watching a bunch of boys in junior high school playing ball, not grown men in a national soccer game.

                            Watch the clip below and see how a real man (Tim Cahill) behaves... note the body language.

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                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footbal...he_Asian_Games

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                              #15
                              We have great potential. The biggest concern and challenge is the replacements for Ando Nekounam and Hosseini. Any suggestions?
                              Once again we have some great strikers which is good to see.

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