Analysis today on "Extra time" with Darioush Zahab.. could CQ be fooling all of us

[ilovefootball]

I have been supporting CQ for a while now but I went into watching this show and could not help but notice some great points made by the coach of Iran during its first win in Asian cup in 1968 MAHMOUD BAYATI when we defeated Israel (something we could never do today):

He said that CQ has not done well:
a) He does not give credit to other coaches in Iran who work with players
b) He treats players like a dictator and punishments do not meet the players' mistakes fairly such as the Rahmati incident
c) Of course players will fully support him as long as he is coach they have no other choice.. only a few years later after he leaves can they openly discuss what really happened
d) He has been nothing special - it is not like he spends 9-5 working in Iran coaching other coaches or doing anything productive
e) Where on Earth do you see a league close for 55 days.. A league in Australia has been going on at the same time of these Asian games.. hundreds of players in Iran have been hurt by these closures in the league and it simply makes no sense that CQ does not compromise
f) He is out of control as we saw when Pooladi got red carded he lost his temper and this was detrimental to the psyche of the players as they too would follow suit and get further red cards if they follow their coach's anger at the referee.

I must admit I feel like this guy CQ has been tricking us and I myself have been stupid to be brain washed somehow. When an actual successful coach who has brought success to TM criticizes and says that CQ MUST GO, I believe the expertise is enough to say that I have been wrong. Not that I care that much, my life goes on, but knowledge is power I guess and I do want to see TM succeed.

I am officially joining the ANTI-CQ camp following this expert commentary tonight.

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UPDATE: Commentator was

Mahmoud Bayati[edit]
A former Taj player and head coach, Bayati was appointed as head coach of Iran national football team in 1967 and led the team in the 1968 AFC Asian Cup. Iran won the title without any loss or draw. He resigned after the tournaments in protest to the then President of Iran Football Federation and was succeeded by Zdravko Rajkov. He was returned to the national team after four years and was re-appointed as head coach in 1972 after the resignation of Mohammad Ranjbar. Bayati led the team in the 1972 Summer Olympics with bad results and was unable to qualify for the 1974 FIFA World Cup. He was sacked as national football team head coach in 1974.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._team_managers

[Spyder]

Totally dont agree with this. CQ is the best thing to happen to our football for decades!

[Adesor Vafaseya]

....... He treats players like a dictator and punishments do not meet the players' mistakes fairly such as the Rahmati incident
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well I dont know who that expert was in Zahabs studio, but the question arises:
and how come all the TM players are in favour of him to stay?


hmmm...

[persepolisfan]

you can't criticize CQ on pfdc, as you will be put on trial for heresy. I agree, CQ has plenty of flaws, but he has brought about discipline, which was greatly needed in Iranian football. If he were able to be more open to change, both tactically, and personally (not infuse IFF with everything, even if he is too at fault) , then we will see a volatile TM in a good way.
Also, this praising of everything CQ does on pfdc needs to stop. Its embarrassing to park the bus vs. arabs when we have players at our disposal that can do so much more i.e. look at mansourians u-23 team that would control the tempo of a game and attack.

[Omids]

Just because this guys says some things doesn't mean you have to suddenly think you have been duped. All his points are weak at best. In regards to his points my humble opinion is:

a. Credit to coaches: why should he give credit. Do all national coaches go around giving credit to club coaches for the success of the national team? It has been proven over and over again that bringing good players together doesnot mean a successful team. A coach has to gel the team and tactics to make the team work. Besides the fact that he has looked overseas for some key players says a lot about our local players. He has worked on their fitness and defence, etc, etc.

b. Dictator: well I rather have a coach who installs discipline in the players even some think he is a dictator. We need a team rather than a team of individual so called superstars. Enough example to show us we have a team now.

c.Team support: if CQ is such a tyrant that players are afraid to speak up publicly but what is stopping them to create hashiye and background noise, we don't see any of that.
D.training other coaches: are you kidding me. That's not what he is suppose to do. This is a contrary point to a. If the coaches are so good that need to be given credit, why do they need training?

e.league closing: I don't know the details on this but if the national coach needs so much time with players in camps, its an indication that the league is not up to scratch to ready players. Do you blame the national coach who wants multiple camps to get his team ready. He didn't do the same for players playing in Europe.

f.out of control: well I would rather have a passionate coach who gets involved rather than a coach who is in it just for the money.

[Cataphract]

I dont agree. As a comment to point c, I would say that i have never seen any players in TM history keep appealing on social media to keep a coach. It is their own initiative.

[metto]

faghat kososher !!

[Dreamer]

...you can't criticize CQ on pfdc, as you will be put on trial for heresy...

akh gofti

[kami_kakashi]

Really harsh criticism. How is it CQ's fault if the league is closed down. A-League goes on without Socceroos players playing for their clubs. This is a clear example that the expert was holding some sort of grudge otherwise he wouldn't use this against CQ. If clubs want to continue the league without their TM players I don't think CQ would disagree.

Also CQ did have a session with coaches to teach them stuff but as Veisi said it turned into a session about coaches settling scores with CQ about player selection and TM plans so he stopped doing these sessions. Essentially 80% of vatani coaches have gone on the media and said they are better than CQ so there is no place for CQ to speak good about them or teach them anything.

[maly3648]

Again bullshits, all these arguments are senseless :

a) He does not give credit to other coaches in Iran who work with players
in Iran, you have to be tough with these so called "coaches" who are talking more that acting. They need to know how to shut up and let people in charge who know better than them how to manage a team.

b) He treats players like a dictator and punishments do not meet the players' mistakes fairly such as the Rahmati incident
Again, iranians need discipline and should stop talking and complaining for the sake of talking and complaining. They need to learn how to behave and if not, they should be punished. It is not professionalism which needs to adapt to iranian mentality, it is iranian mentality which needs to adapt to professionalism.

c) Of course players will fully support him as long as he is coach they have no other choice.. only a few years later after he leaves can they openly discuss what really happened
That's not the case, big mouths in Iran always never miss an opportunity to be big mouths. What this coach achieved is even greater than what Branko did achieve. Unfortunately, iranianian mentality loves sabotage and beyond all, they love breaking down everything which is successful when it is not them in charge (jealousy). Therefore, as they are unable not to shut up and do mix up 24/7 politics and sports with jealousy and big mouth, they need discipline by force and beeing nice and kind is just not working.

d) He has been nothing special - it is not like he spends 9-5 working in Iran coaching other coaches or doing anything productive
Typical iranian big mouth. The guy made this team qualify to world cup, showed and extraordinary performance there earning respect from all over the world and still, big mouths who never achieved 1/1000 of what he achieved criticize and talk a lot.

e) Where on Earth do you see a league close for 55 days.. A league in Australia has been going on at the same time of these Asian games.. hundreds of players in Iran have been hurt by these closures in the league and it simply makes no sense that CQ does not compromise
Again, CQ doesn't have to compromise with lack of professionalism. The amateurs should compromise with him and not the other way round.

f) He is out of control as we saw when Pooladi got red carded he lost his temper and this was detrimental to the psyche of the players as they too would follow suit and get further red cards if they follow their coach's anger at the referee.
If this would ve been the case, iranian team wouldn't have come back into the match and go to penalties my friend ... Again, big mouths should shut up and if not, should shut up by force ...

I must admit I feel like this guy CQ has been tricking us and I myself have been stupid to be brain washed somehow. When an actual successful coach who has brought success to TM criticizes and says that CQ MUST GO, I believe the expertise is enough to say that I have been wrong. Not that I care that much, my life goes on, but knowledge is power I guess and I do want to see TM succeed.
I am officially joining the ANTI-CQ camp following this expert commentary tonight.

Hahahaha "expert" commentary ? You must be kidding ... Politically motivated "experts", we know them very well ... They don't miss one single opportunity to try undermine anything positive achieved by actual Iran because they have a political agenda. And by the way, beating Israel today ? It is very feasible for Iran, we are stronger than them and this is not over confidence ...

[ramingeles2000]

I have been supporting CQ for a while now but I went into watching this show and could not help but notice some great points made by the coach of Iran during its first win in Asian cup in 1968 when we defeated Israel (something we could never do today):

He said that CQ has not done well:
a) He does not give credit to other coaches in Iran who work with players
b) He treats players like a dictator and punishments do not meet the players' mistakes fairly such as the Rahmati incident
c) Of course players will fully support him as long as he is coach they have no other choice.. only a few years later after he leaves can they openly discuss what really happened
d) He has been nothing special - it is not like he spends 9-5 working in Iran coaching other coaches or doing anything productive
e) Where on Earth do you see a league close for 55 days.. A league in Australia has been going on at the same time of these Asian games.. hundreds of players in Iran have been hurt by these closures in the league and it simply makes no sense that CQ does not compromise
f) He is out of control as we saw when Pooladi got red carded he lost his temper and this was detrimental to the psyche of the players as they too would follow suit and get further red cards if they follow their coach's anger at the referee.


I must admit I feel like this guy CQ has been tricking us and I myself have been stupid to be brain washed somehow. When an actual successful coach who has brought success to TM criticizes and says that CQ MUST GO, I believe the expertise is enough to say that I have been wrong. Not that I care that much, my life goes on, but knowledge is power I guess and I do want to see TM succeed.
I am officially joining the ANTI-CQ camp following this expert commentary tonight.

lol to me it seems like you are in generally easily brainwashed. i bet that if you watched an "analysis" by an "expert" that praised CQ, you'd jump right back on the CQ bandwagon. Almost every point you made in your post is rubbish, no offense. Let's start with the fact that in 1968, winning the asian cup was a joke. I think there were 8 teams total participating.

[IIIIDEEEEAAAAN]

No offense, but I stopped reading after part "B"

No offense, but I stopped reading after part "B" where it said the Rahmani handling was harsh. If CQ does nothing else for TM, just that incident alone will forever hold him in my heart. He handled it perfectly and sent a great message to all, especially young and aspiring players in Iran, that no individual is above the team and this is what will happen to you if you behave like Mehdi did.

Unfortunately, we have a very egotistical, individualistic culture and CQ is helping to eradicate that culture by doing things such as removing our best goalkeeper from the team. Shireh CQ. Khodas for doing that. It'll pay dividends down the line when CQ isn't even here. That's a big area where his mark will be left and felt. Whoever this guy was in the interview lost credibility with me by mentioning part "B". Khak too saresh. He's part of the problem for saying that. To hell with anybody who thinks we should continue to allow egoes and me-first mentalities like Rahmani's to flourish.

Thank you for posting, though. Just can't stand mentalities like Mehdi's and the culture that fosters it.

[euphory]

LOL look at this retard zahab talking shit, why would CQ praise iranian coaches? what have they done other than talking bullshit and have embarasing performances in the persian league and the asian club leagues... wtf is he talking about. its been way too long that iranian teams have won the asian champions league, so they are not worth to be praised.

[HuSsAiN]

Another CQ bashing thread. Enough is enough. He took our team to the WC2014 by topping the group, and was unlucky not to get to the semi final of Asian Cup. We are still not happy???

[OFFSIDE_1]

He is analyst that believes CQ should have forgiven Rahmati? Yes, he's right. We've been fooled by CQ.