Analysis today on "Extra time" with Darioush Zahab.. could CQ be fooling all of us

[Doctor DOOM]

result oriented, you just can't be happy with CQ. He has achieved results that our own vatani coaches have achieved. Losing in quarters in Asia cup can be achieved with some of the weakest vatani coaches.
Getting one point in the world cup also has been the absolute minimum we have ever got, whole we've had others who'd got more.
There is no denying it. His RESULTS have been on par with our average vatani coaches.



Now, If you are quality oriented, you still won be that satisfied with him. I think it is a universal view shared by an undeniable majority that the quality of our team's performances have been sub par, ... given we have such a famous internationally renowned coach. When you pay this kind of salary and bring in a big name that is much higher than our usual coach, then by that very token, your expectations and demands ought to be at a higher level than the average IPL coach.



We bring up WCQ's and having qualified for the WC. But we forget that the group was not that difficult to qualify from. We suffered and struggled to qualify at the end only because we didn't have the proper strategy at the start of the campaign, where we should have gathered enough points early on to avoid struggling near the end (especially since we knew the final 3 games were very difficult given the timing and distances to be traveled)


The thing is seeing his big name tag, we keep expecting that extra quality to be injected into the team's performance. But after almost four years, i think we should have seen it by now. But we haven't



He has his good points, like his expertise in preparing a team physically to make them highly competitive. That's undeniable. But he also has his flaws. If you treat him as an untouchable God, then we have nothing to discuss

[persian-eagle-13]

I have been supporting CQ for a while now but I went into watching this show and could not help but notice some great points made by the coach of Iran during its first win in Asian cup in 1968 when we defeated Israel (something we could never do today):

He said that CQ has not done well:
a) He does not give credit to other coaches in Iran who work with players
b) He treats players like a dictator and punishments do not meet the players' mistakes fairly such as the Rahmati incident
c) Of course players will fully support him as long as he is coach they have no other choice.. only a few years later after he leaves can they openly discuss what really happened
d) He has been nothing special - it is not like he spends 9-5 working in Iran coaching other coaches or doing anything productive
e) Where on Earth do you see a league close for 55 days.. A league in Australia has been going on at the same time of these Asian games.. hundreds of players in Iran have been hurt by these closures in the league and it simply makes no sense that CQ does not compromise
f) He is out of control as we saw when Pooladi got red carded he lost his temper and this was detrimental to the psyche of the players as they too would follow suit and get further red cards if they follow their coach's anger at the referee.


I must admit I feel like this guy CQ has been tricking us and I myself have been stupid to be brain washed somehow. When an actual successful coach who has brought success to TM criticizes and says that CQ MUST GO, I believe the expertise is enough to say that I have been wrong. Not that I care that much, my life goes on, but knowledge is power I guess and I do want to see TM succeed.
I am officially joining the ANTI-CQ camp following this expert commentary tonight.

so being a tm coach from the 1960 justifies him to talk about football in 2015!! i think he should keep quiet and not say anything else, all these calms are laughable!!

[Leopard]

With good referees CQ would have defeated Iraq and Argentina. There is not question about that.
As for the mihani coaches something got lost in the translation of what zahab may have said. Respecting mihani coaches is what he may have meant and not giving them credit.

one more thing about TM. how many mihani coaches whould have realized that Sardar would be a great member? They would have said this youngster has a long way to go and he would be emotional and he is just goof for the Omid team. CQ changed the rule and He gave a chance to Sardar and Sardar proved that he will be the best and he is the new helicopter.
on some things CQ could be more lenient and that would help to remove any negative thoughts in some. We forgive Pooladi although he was sarbaaze farari, so we need to do the same for rahmati and Aghili and avoid continuation of hatred towards individuals. We saw how the two portunuese coaches in Iran disliked each other and brough part of ther culture but the persian culture is more forgiving and there is not need to hate people like Rahmati after they apologized.
If one does not stop hating and does not forgive he/she will take a big luggage of hatred to grave one day.
Fortunately Haghighi and the other two goalkeepers are not bad but for penalty shots I think rahmati could have done better. Don't forget how brave the guy was and he would even save some shots with his shoes.
This is just my personal observation and no need to reply or get more mad by opening the can of worms and talkin about the past. But CQ owes it to the nation and he needs to just be more forgiving. Daei and Ghtobi did not make use of great Karimi for whatver reason and they paid the price.
CQ is good but he can be better.

[persian-eagle-13]

result oriented, you just can't be happy with CQ. He has achieved results that our own vatani coaches have achieved. Losing in quarters in Asia cup can be achieved with some of the weakest vatani coaches.
Getting one point in the world cup also has been the absolute minimum we have ever got, whole we've had others who'd got more.
There is no denying it. His RESULTS have been on par with our average vatani coaches.
Now, If you are quality oriented, you still won be that satisfied with him. I think it is a universal view shared by an undeniable majority that the quality of our team's performances have been sub par, ... given we have such a famous internationally renowned coach. When you pay this kind of salary and bring in a big name that is much higher than our usual coach, then by that very token, your expectations and demands ought to be at a higher level than the average IPL coach.
We bring up WCQ's and having qualified for the WC. But we forget that the group was not that difficult to qualify from. We suffered and struggled to qualify at the end only because we didn't have the proper strategy at the start of the campaign, where we should have gathered enough points early on to avoid struggling near the end (especially since we knew the final 3 games were very difficult given the timing and distances to be traveled)
The thing is seeing his big name tag, we keep expecting that extra quality to be injected into the team's performance. But after almost four years, i think we should have seen it by now. But we haven't
He has his good points, like his expertise in preparing a team physically to make them highly competitive. That's undeniable. But he also has his flaws. If you treat him as an untouchable God, then we have nothing to discuss

i am sorry i can't agree with you, the results that you are talking about you are comparing vatani coaches that had the cream of the crop and CQ who did not have a talent to work with!!
you give the same talent as QN, etc to CQ and then see what he can do....
second of all, he does have a flaw, every coach does, he is not perfect, lets ask ourselves, did we give CQ all the tools he needs to succeeded?!? if the answer is YES, then you are right in justify your claims, if not than we can't really criticize him.
go back and look at the time QN and others have been TM and the time CQ has been a coach, you will see for the same number of years that others have been headcoach they have done more games than CQ has done!! what does that tell you, that either IFF can't or does not want CQ have friendly games!

[Pouya]

[Doctor DOOM]

i am sorry i can't agree with you, the results that you are talking about you are comparing vatani coaches that had the cream of the crop and CQ who did not have a talent to work with!!
you give the same talent as QN, etc to CQ and then see what he can do....
second of all, he does have a flaw, every coach does, he is not perfect, lets ask ourselves, did we give CQ all the tools he needs to succeeded?!? if the answer is YES, then you are right in justify your claims, if not than we can't really criticize him.
go back and look at the time QN and others have been TM and the time CQ has been a coach, you will see for the same number of years that others have been headcoach they have done more games than CQ has done!! what does that tell you, that either IFF can't or does not want CQ have friendly games!

Mate, this lack of proper preparation has been there for every coach we've had. In some cases more, n some, less. But we've NEVER EVER had a respectful preparation for any campaign. That is the nature of an organization on a system where unworthy individuals sit at the helm of things.


Quality;
Well, for all the Daeis. Azizis, bagheris of the yore, now we have Dejagah and RGN'S and ... of the present.
Some may even say having learnt their trade in Europe from childhood, they are in a better position compared to players who've been reared in Iran and an isolated country with amateurish football.

[khodam]

This situation in which we really don't play any friendlies before our tournaments has made it very difficult to gauge TM progress under CQ. Ironically the lack of friendlies has removed real pressure from IFF and CQ to really deliver.

Nobody can realy blame CQ and the system since nothing is happening. So in this vacume, CQ is god and we are perfect. Our problems are only the referees.

I think criticizing the TM performance is good. But it needs to be done in a mature and professional way like in this program, not in the street version of GN or MK.

At the end of the day we have to recognize why TM is there to begin with. It is a form of public entertainment purely for enjoyment of Iranian people. As Daie said if this team is reaching people's heart it has already won the campaign.

[IPG]

I have been supporting CQ for a while now but I went into watching this show and could not help but notice some great points made by the coach of Iran during its first win in Asian cup in 1968 when we defeated Israel (something we could never do today):
He said that CQ has not done well:
a) He does not give credit to other coaches in Iran who work with players
b) He treats players like a dictator and punishments do not meet the players' mistakes fairly such as the Rahmati incident
c) Of course players will fully support him as long as he is coach they have no other choice.. only a few years later after he leaves can they openly discuss what really happened
d) He has been nothing special - it is not like he spends 9-5 working in Iran coaching other coaches or doing anything productive
e) Where on Earth do you see a league close for 55 days.. A league in Australia has been going on at the same time of these Asian games.. hundreds of players in Iran have been hurt by these closures in the league and it simply makes no sense that CQ does not compromise
f) He is out of control as we saw when Pooladi got red carded he lost his temper and this was detrimental to the psyche of the players as they too would follow suit and get further red cards if they follow their coach's anger at the referee.
I must admit I feel like this guy CQ has been tricking us and I myself have been stupid to be brain washed somehow. When an actual successful coach who has brought success to TM criticizes and says that CQ MUST GO, I believe the expertise is enough to say that I have been wrong. Not that I care that much, my life goes on, but knowledge is power I guess and I do want to see TM succeed.
I am officially joining the ANTI-CQ camp following this expert commentary tonight.

Anything more than a long LoooooooooooooooooOoooooooOoooooooooooool is a waste of reply on this thread. So here goes ;

LoooooooOoooooOooooooOooooooOoooooooooOoooooooool.

[Persian Panther]

A league was closed for 2 weeks.

[Camran khan]

Queiroz actually invited that selfish douche bag to the TM and he was shit and got crossed off.

When did this happen?

[Ghermez Agha]

When did this happen?

Preliminary WC roster....it was just a 50 man list submitted to IFF of players visas to prepare if he decided to chose them. IMO he was really just toying with him for a minute lol.

[Nariman]

[ramingeles2000]

Iran has made a huge commitment to keep Carlos until the end of WC 2018. I believe his potential 10 year tenure should he actually see the TM through to 2018 must be a record, yes? With that said,
I look at his record and frankly it does not impress me. It is not bad but it is not OMG of the charts. Branko without much fanfare did just as well or better [he made it to the AFC 2005 semi-final and finished 3rd] If you are results oriented then I do not see how you can be a Carlos supporter.
Bear in mind that if he stays on until 2018 as contracted then another mediocre result in the 2018 WC or worse failure to qualify would mean an absolute disaster for TM. Why? Well, you do the math, 10 years of service only to get mediocre results is not what the Iranian fans nor footballers want, do they? No. Carlos's record when the stakes are very high has taken huge hits since the qualifier win against S.Korea before the 2014 WC.
1- With qualification for the second round of 2014 WC on the table against an already eliminated Bosnia [whom I thought presented TM with the best chance for 3 points] the team came out flat and conceded 3 goals after having conceded only ONE in their previous 2 games. IMO, that was a really bad loss.
2- With a place in the semi-finals of AFC 2015 on the line, TM were tied with Iraq 3-3 and ultimately lost in PSO 7-6. Once again, here we have a squad that had not conceded a SINGLE goal in its previous two matches yet suddenly they allow 3 goals in from an Iraqi team that I am not even sure if they have functioning government.
3- See the pattern in 1 and 2 above?
Time will tell, of course. However, not always but more often than not, past performance can be an indicator of future performance.

you know your post has no credibility when the only person who "thanks" your post is Dr Doom.

1 - who on earth expected us to beat Bosnia...besides Iranians? the bosnian team was head and shoulders above us and did exactly what they were supposed to do: beat us. before they scored the first goal, Shojaei hit the post. If we score that goal, we have a chance to win the game.

2 - a really dumb point. anyone who blames CQ for the loss to Iraq, I won't waste time arguing with. Why is it that our squad goes from conceding 0 goals in 3 games to conceding 3 goals in a single half of football?? answer: ben williams and playing with 10 men

As you can see from the front cover of PFDC today, Ashkan Dejagah - who grew up in the German youth system and has played under some of the greatest coaches in the world, including most recently felix magath, just called CQ "the greatest coach he's ever worked with". he said that he "learns something new from CQ every practice".

CQ critics, i've gone from being civil with you to giving up. please kindly STFU and realize when you have a good thing.

[ramingeles2000]

result oriented, you just can't be happy with CQ. He has achieved results that our own vatani coaches have achieved. Losing in quarters in Asia cup can be achieved with some of the weakest vatani coaches.
Getting one point in the world cup also has been the absolute minimum we have ever got, whole we've had others who'd got more.
There is no denying it. His RESULTS have been on par with our average vatani coaches.
Now, If you are quality oriented, you still won be that satisfied with him. I think it is a universal view shared by an undeniable majority that the quality of our team's performances have been sub par, ... given we have such a famous internationally renowned coach. When you pay this kind of salary and bring in a big name that is much higher than our usual coach, then by that very token, your expectations and demands ought to be at a higher level than the average IPL coach.
We bring up WCQ's and having qualified for the WC. But we forget that the group was not that difficult to qualify from. We suffered and struggled to qualify at the end only because we didn't have the proper strategy at the start of the campaign, where we should have gathered enough points early on to avoid struggling near the end (especially since we knew the final 3 games were very difficult given the timing and distances to be traveled)
The thing is seeing his big name tag, we keep expecting that extra quality to be injected into the team's performance. But after almost four years, i think we should have seen it by now. But we haven't
He has his good points, like his expertise in preparing a team physically to make them highly competitive. That's undeniable. But he also has his flaws. If you treat him as an untouchable God, then we have nothing to discuss

Results
Ghalenoi crashed out at the quarterfinals in 2007 to south korea's B-team, in penalties. So on paper, his "result" is identical to CQs "result" in 2014. To you, did TM achieve the same "result" in these 2 campaigns?

performances
My problem with your criticism of TM's performances is this. First, team melli has NEVER played beautiful football. Ever. it's always been ali asghari football defined by moments of individual brilliance (especially on set pieces). So this criticism that our "performance" is lacking is unfair. Second, CQ's strategy (which is the only feasible one given our personnel) is a defensive counter-attacking style. This sort of football is always going to look "ugly" to the average casual fan. but that doesn't mean that we're not executing a very sophisticated and effective playing style.
The fact is that even if the best coach on earth was coaching Iran, we would probably not play fluid beautiful football because or players lack the education to have this capability. it's not CQ's job to teach proper positioning, passing, and decision making. This is developed by youth programs and club teams.

[OFFSIDE_1]

If you are result oriented, you just can't be happy with CQ. He has achieved results that our own vatani coaches have achieved. Losing in quarters in Asia cup can be achieved with some of the weakest vatani coaches.
Getting one point in the world cup also has been the absolute minimum we have ever got, whole we've had others who'd got more.
There is no denying it. His RESULTS have been on par with our average vatani coaches.
Now, If you are quality oriented, you still won be that satisfied with him. I think it is a universal view shared by an undeniable majority that the quality of our team's performances have been sub par, ... given we have such a famous internationally renowned coach. When you pay this kind of salary and bring in a big name that is much higher than our usual coach, then by that very token, your expectations and demands ought to be at a higher level than the average IPL coach.
We bring up WCQ's and having qualified for the WC. But we forget that the group was not that difficult to qualify from. We suffered and struggled to qualify at the end only because we didn't have the proper strategy at the start of the campaign, where we should have gathered enough points early on to avoid struggling near the end (especially since we knew the final 3 games were very difficult given the timing and distances to be traveled)
The thing is seeing his big name tag, we keep expecting that extra quality to be injected into the team's performance. But after almost four years, i think we should have seen it by now. But we haven't
He has his good points, like his expertise in preparing a team physically to make them highly competitive. That's undeniable. But he also has his flaws. If you treat him as an untouchable God, then we have nothing to discuss

you are as subtle as an earthquake rocking california ..... trying desperately to take away the result argument when you fully know that the results have been very good. At least if you are trying to pull off a fast one, try to make it less obvious, because you totally blew it, and like I said, your credibility is dropping faster than the price of oil.
for 4 years, we have seen results. We finished first in our WCQ group. We beat teams .... we beat them by shutting them out .... you do understand what 3 wins in a row mean against Korea. 1 win with 10 men, 1 win in korea under heavy stress and 1 win in tehran after not having any preparation in months. That's what we call, delivering results. In the WCQ, we beat qatar, we beat lebanon ...... in the Asian cup, we beat bahrain 2-0, we beat qatar 1-0, and we beat uae, yes, that same team that beat japan, 1-0....

We had respectable results in the WC, and by now, even the below average fan fully understands that the quarter finals loss game against iraq was out of our control ..... so I really hope we are not digressing to the point where we now have to argue that point.

so that's the definition of results. So hopefully we are all clear with what the word result means. right? or do we have to continue ......
now if you want to argue the beautifulness or quality of our game .... fine .... go ahead ..... we are all ears