After the Asian Cup, I support inviting Daniel Davari again

[sedee91]

This I strongly disagree with.

Could you please tell me one noteworthy thing Davari has done in the last year that qualifies him to be mentioned in the same sentence as one of the top keepers in the portugese top flight (and I rate him as a top GK in the portugese league based on how many points he is responsible for getting his team) and beiranvand the top GK in iran...young, phenomenal physique, reflexes, and intangibles (punts, throws, timing, etc.) unmatched by almost any iranian GK in the last decade or so.

You'd have to be insane to compare to Davari to these two. And the list doesn't stop here my friend....there are other keepers in the league who have impressed and done things to gain recognition. Davari can't gain any recognition from the bench.....let alone be conceding 6-7 goals to a 2. Bundesliga team.

This legionaire obsession (and I'm not talking about you bro, im saying in general) is getting more and more ridiculous by the day. Enough is enough......

Before Haghighi came to be in the Portuguese Top Flight, he was loaned to a second division Portuguese league by the same team that loaned him to where he is now. Davari was fighting relegation just like Haghighi, last year and then he signed for a first division Swiss League immediately due to his performances.

[hzv]

There is no need for opinion. Its a fact that Haghighi and Beiranvand are better than Davari. Although I would go with Beiranvand over Haghighi for 2018.

then why does davari play for a better team and with a higher salary?

[Taz]

I'm yet to see just what Davari has done to warrant people rating him. I think partly it's just people's fascination with 'foreigners' and expecting all of them to be another Ashkan just because they have a better education and pedigree than their IPL counterparts.

The geezer has never impressed in a TM shirt, he had an ok debut, a quiet 2nd game and then two absolute shockers against Guinea and Angola which rightly sent him packing. His club form has never been great either. Now compare and contrast to Haghighi who's yet to put a foot wrong in the TM shirt and Beiranvand who has 5 years on Davari and looked superb against Iraq and overall, I don't see any way back for Davari and nor is there any need to.

No thanks.

[Afat11]

Lol, you guys are ridiculous in your biases.

Here, I'm you:

"Dude, Davari has the sickest most radical positioning. His Handling is beyond anything I've ever seen ever, anywhere, in ALL TIME!!!

It's so clear, nobody holds a candle to Davari!!!"

The problem is, that you're just exaggerating your point based on a couple of intangibles. First, a goal keeper is part of the defensive line. Do you think Haghighi would have stopped those goals that were allowed against Guinea? You can say "YESSSSSSSSS ITS A FACT!!!!"

But realistically, the first goal we conceded against Iraq was very similar. We had a defensive breakdown, and it makes the keeper look bad.

Davari's old team was good for Bundesliga 2, but they weren't up to snuff in the top flight among teams like Bayern and Dortmund. It's funny how you all completely overlook the fact that his teams aren't necessarily scoring 20 goals and him conceding 21.

He's been unlucky to have the likes of Alenemeh and Khanzadeh and their German and Swiss equivalents protecting his box.

It's funny how easily our goal was opened up when our defense lost Pooladi and Hajsafi moved in his place.

You can easily blame Haghighi for those goals, but you don't, because your biased to forgive him because he's not a legionnaire. When the same thing happens to Davari, oh "it's all his fault!! Not Hadadifar and Alenemeh allowing the two players so much space to run and shoot it into the top shelf, it's ALL Davari!! He didn't do a backflip dive that even Oliver Kahn can't do to stop that goal. He sucks."

You guys are so biased and unwilling to admit it. Any time Haghighi has been playing a mid-level team in Portugal, his players have protected. Any time his team has played any Portuguese top club, he's conceded 3+ and you guys just say "well, that was expected..."

Funny how their scenarios are so similar, especially when Haghighi was put into a position without the defense fully protecting him, yet the goal that slipped right through his legs, which to be honest was a savable and slow shot that cost us the match in all honesty.

You guys say, "well, we were down a man."

Having Beitashour who is having his first cap, Alenemeh who should be shining shoes, Khanzadeh who should be shining Alenemeh's shoes, and Sadeghi as left back is much worse than having Hosseini, Ghafouri, Pouraligangi and Hajsafi.

Yet, Guinea's goals were all Davari's fault, but Haghighi's "eh, it was the refs fault."

All of your biases towards Haghighi and Iranian players in general is soooo clear, but it's hard to see your own biases.

I want more competition in TM, but you all have such a hatred for outsiders taking "Iranians'" spots that you want the shit-factory that is Forouzan in the team.

Sad, that you guys are such haters, that you're willing to waste a roster spot, just to not give it to a guy who helped promote his team to the Bundesliga and actually did decently in comparison to the world class talent there.

Haghighi is in Portugal whose best teams would be mid-table in the Bundesliga, but he's the "best Keeper in the league, accepting 3 goals on multiple occasions.

Yeah, right.

[AminGP]

I would prefer to give Beiranvand a chance since he's only 22 and he's so confident. He has a bright future and I'd rather us give him a chance to shine.

[Z Joon]

We all want competition and the best of TM. No one is biased, Davari is not good enough atm and we have better players in Iran, maybe you don't want to accept that somehow? If he is good enough he will be invited, but for now both Haghighi and Beiranvand are far more consistent and don't even show nearly as much weaknesses as Davari. For now Davari will have to fight with guys like Ahmadi, Fourouzan, Makani, Lak etc.. to even get in the squad. It's just like that.

Once more no one is against inviting "half-Iranians" to TM, but if we want to succeed on long term, developing local players is much more important for the future. However if a player stands out like Dejagah, Gucci, Zandi etc... did, they will get called up.

[Afat11]

We all want competition and the best of TM. No one is biased, Davari is not good enough atm and we have better players in Iran, maybe you don't want to accept that somehow? If he is good enough he will be invited, but for now both Haghighi and Beiranvand are far more consistent and don't even show nearly as much weaknesses as Davari. For now Davari will have to fight with guys like Ahmadi, Fourouzan, Makani, Lak etc.. to even get in the squad. It's just like that.

Once more no one is against inviting "half-Iranians" to TM, but if we want to succeed on long term, developing local players is much more important for the future. However if a player stands out like Dejagah, Gucci, Zandi etc... did, they will get called up.

You're making a big assumption that Davari wasn't invited because of his quality of play. That's my problem with all of you brushing him aside. He couldn't make the first camp before AC because his child was born, and it's entirely possible that has a large importance on the decision. Because being honest with yourself and me, has Forouzan done ANYTHING to earn a spot in TM? Even just going off of Davari's resume alone, has Forouzan done anything of note that we would think he could somehow miraculously become good and be competitive for the starting spot in Australia?

The answer is no. Davari at least showed his quality for 2 years in Bundesliga 2, and he could easily return to that form. It's not a foregone conculsion. How do we know how he plays for TM if we don't give him a shot?

My entire post was about how being reinvited doesn't hurt, and could actually help his form and confidence, but you just say, his club form isn't good, hence, he'll never be good. He never got a real shot with TM, as did Beitashour. They were always playing with our B or C team, yet you all gloss over that for some strange reason. Put Haghighi with our C team and see how stellar his performance is.

[Hosseini]

Haghighi was fine, he's just not a strong penalty saver and that's where the complaining is coming from. Where did he make mistakes? All the goals against Iraq were defensive collapses giving shots up around the six yard box.

[ParthianDE]

I voted yes. However he needs to impress more. The door to TM should still be open once he's in form again. He also needs to show proactively that he's making efforts to learn Persian.

Finally, I think here's a case of a player who would actually benefit from playing in the IPL. After his performance in his current club he may have a problem getting into a decent team in Europe if he's let go there. Plus if he's in Iran, he'll learn the language, communication with Iranian defenders and if he impresses will be a much easier sell to Iranian fans as goal keeper for TM. If he shines in the IPL he may even have a shot again at becoming the #1 TM goalie in the future.

But if things stay the way they are with him, even if his poor club is part of the blame, I don't see much future with TM anytime soon...

[Afat11]

Haghighi was fine, he's just not a strong penalty saver and that's where the complaining is coming from. Where did he make mistakes? All the goals against Iraq were defensive collapses giving shots up around the six yard box.

You understand that this is people's exact reasoning as to why Davari sucks right? Except it's backwards.

When it happened to Davari, come on, despite the defenders giving the Guinea strikers acres of room, Davari should have done an amazing diving save to get that, he's a statue.

I personally and genuinely feel that Haghighi is a big part of the reason we lost. If we wouldn't have conceded that first goal, we were smooth sailing. He had the positioning, angle, etc. to stop the second goal. He just reacted too late and it went between his legs. A better keeper, like David De Gea, could have gotten it more often than Haghighi would.

My point is, that I will not point the finger and blame Haghighi and say he's shit. He's good by Iranian standards, but people here make it seem like he's invincible. I could easily have posted a thread immediately after the game saying Haghighi "the statue," because he did freeze on that shot and reacted slowly, but I know that when the defense gives the striker a clear shot, the goalie can't save it all the time.

Against Guinea, Davari also had poor defending in front of him. I don't get why one is treated like a pile of dung while the other is forgiven so easily?

I know why, it's because people liked Haghighi after one game, and hated Davari after one game.

One can never do anything wrong, the other can do nothing but it.

Seriously, rewatch the first goal against Iraq and tell me that doesn't boil your blood. Haghighi could have and should have saved that. He was slow to react and his goal kicks are terrible and lose possession too many times a game.

Why has nobody ever brought this up?? Haghighi gave away possession 5-10 times this tournament with his horrible goal kicks. Is he terrible, no? Is he miles ahead of Davari? We don't know!!!!!!

Bring Davari back, let them train together, and let's see! That's the point people!!!

[BacheLot]

Daniel deserves another call-up for the 3rd keeper spot and nothing more ATM..!!
none of our current keepers are really seasoned enough to be CLEAR Number One....!!
Although the clear number 1 for time being, ARHaghghi seems a bit too distracted with his sudden superstardom and fan attention. he is still trying to come to grip with his new found popularity and big role as a TM Favored Starter..!!
i was surprised and disappointed with his weak mentality and approach in the PKs and his over dramatic reactions to small knocks and time wasting..!! his overall AC performance, showed me that he still needs another year or so to mature his game and his attitude..!

havent seen enough games from Biravand to pass a final verdict but he was damn impressive in the few games i saw of him with the Omid and vs the Iraq friendly..!! showed incredible poise and maturity for his young age and his positioning and skills wasnt bad either..!!
he could become a tough contender for the future starting spot and likely to get there sooner than later if ARH doesnt get his shit together in his head..!!

Dani boy gotta come to grip with the new reality of being the likely 3rd choice keeper in TM and prove himself more committed and excited about repping iran internationally..!! whether he would or not, is a question in my mind...!! it wouldnt surprise me if he got outcasted by CQ and/or if he decline the next invite with another bs reason and outcasted for good afterwards..!!

[sedee91]

Might as well invite Etemadi, if we're considering club performances. He's been alright for his club and he is in the same division as Jahanbakhsh. 3 legionnaire Goalies and a prospect sounds nice for the future. Lets not also foget Taha Zarei too.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

I support the decicions of the man who invitede Davari and Haghighi to TM in the first place, crossed one of them out, and let the other to be fix. This man was himself a goalkeeper in the past and and brought 3 different national teams to the world cup so far in his career.

[Karimi 8]

Davari needs to get back into form at his club a little more first, I would like to see him back in TM again but he needs to focus on his club right now and he will be invited again after that

[_Navid_]

I wish there was a way we could get Rahmati back. He would have done good in penalties. Although we shouldn't forget Haghighi was injured quite badly right before penalties.