TM Fans Must Understand - We Currently Simply Lack the Talent!

[aryanirani]

If CQ just had Ali Karimi in his prime he would win asian cup

[Z Joon]

Nah bro, CQ is staying for Kabab and Kaffashian's pretty eyes. Iran has absolutely no talent whatsoever, Carlos is the only reason Iranian football exists.

[PSGman#19]

From the recent expectations placed on TM and the criticisms of CQ it has become very clear to me that many members either (1) don't understand or (2) refuse to acknowledge a very simple fact: we currently lack talent compared to prior generations. If you've been watching TM for the last 15 years+ or so, you will understand this.

Unless you understand and acknowledge this very clear reality of TM today, your analysis of Iranian football, TM's performance this asian cup, and CQ's accomplishments can't be taken seriously. To illustrate my point, I will start with a common argument made on these forums about CQ: the argument that CQ's team in AC2015 lost in the quarterfinals in penalties, which is the exact same outcome that GN had in AC2007, hence they had equal performances and therefore CQ doesn't deserve his salary and is overrated etc.

Let's compare rosters, shall we?

AC2015 Squad
Our current squad features a total of 5 European legionnaires:

-Haghighi (starter, Penafiel)
-Azmoun (substitute, Rubin Kazan)
-Nekounam (starter, Osasuna)
-Ansarifard (substitute, Osasuna)
-Jahanbakhsh (starter, NEC)

If we want to include Gucci and Dejagah (since they were very recently in Europe), we will say 7 European legionnaires. 7 European legionnaires, and only ONE starter in a top division!!

Compare this to AC2007:

Nekounam - Osasuna - was in his prime - 26 - had just joined Osasuna and was at his absolute peak.
Ando -Bolton - was 24 years old
Rezaei - Livorno - best defender
Mahdavikia - 28 - Stuttgart - starter in his prime
Karimi - 28 - Bayern Munich - in his prime
Hashemian - 30 - Hannover
Zandi - Apollon - had just left bundesliga.

Also we had Shojaei who would join Osasuna a year later.

We basically had EIGHT PLAYERS who were either starters or super-subs for FIRST DIVISION EUROPEAN TEAMS.



If CQ had this level of talent he would win the asian cup. I don't understand how people udnerrate this factor. It's not about what CQ's acomplished - it's about what he's accomplished when CONSIDERING the dearth of talent at his disposal.

When the day comes that Iran's talent levels match our glorious past - and with CQ at the helm - we will go to the 2nd round of the WC and win AC2019 (if CQ is crazy enough to stay that long). But just made this post so that people would have a little more perspective and look to history to put our current situation into perspective!

So bas

I disagree with your reasoning. Football isn't only a sum of individual talents, there is also the team work, strategy, chemistry, good coach.

We may not have Karimi or mahdavikia now, but if you remember well we didn't have a decent goal, decent left-back, average coach at that time (much less balanced squad).

I don't remember having seen so many Joga Bonita at Karimi, mahdavikia, Daei, Hashemian, etc... time either, just flash of brilliance of some skilled players here and there, to sum up straight.

[Oz1]

From the recent expectations placed on TM and the criticisms of CQ it has become very clear to me that many members either (1) don't understand or (2) refuse to acknowledge a very simple fact: we currently lack talent compared to prior generations. If you've been watching TM for the last 15 years+ or so, you will understand this.

Unless you understand and acknowledge this very clear reality of TM today, your analysis of Iranian football, TM's performance this asian cup, and CQ's accomplishments can't be taken seriously. To illustrate my point, I will start with a common argument made on these forums about CQ: the argument that CQ's team in AC2015 lost in the quarterfinals in penalties, which is the exact same outcome that GN had in AC2007, hence they had equal performances and therefore CQ doesn't deserve his salary and is overrated etc.

Let's compare rosters, shall we?

AC2015 Squad
Our current squad features a total of 5 European legionnaires:

-Haghighi (starter, Penafiel)
-Azmoun (substitute, Rubin Kazan)
-Nekounam (starter, Osasuna)
-Ansarifard (substitute, Osasuna)
-Jahanbakhsh (starter, NEC)

If we want to include Gucci and Dejagah (since they were very recently in Europe), we will say 7 European legionnaires. 7 European legionnaires, and only ONE starter in a top division!!

Compare this to AC2007:

Nekounam - Osasuna - was in his prime - 26 - had just joined Osasuna and was at his absolute peak.
Ando -Bolton - was 24 years old
Rezaei - Livorno - best defender
Mahdavikia - 28 - Stuttgart - starter in his prime
Karimi - 28 - Bayern Munich - in his prime
Hashemian - 30 - Hannover
Zandi - Apollon - had just left bundesliga.

Also we had Shojaei who would join Osasuna a year later.

We basically had EIGHT PLAYERS who were either starters or super-subs for FIRST DIVISION EUROPEAN TEAMS.



If CQ had this level of talent he would win the asian cup. I don't understand how people udnerrate this factor. It's not about what CQ's acomplished - it's about what he's accomplished when CONSIDERING the dearth of talent at his disposal.

When the day comes that Iran's talent levels match our glorious past - and with CQ at the helm - we will go to the 2nd round of the WC and win AC2019 (if CQ is crazy enough to stay that long). But just made this post so that people would have a little more perspective and look to history to put our current situation into perspective!

So bas

Compare that to SK, Japan and Australia and there you have your answer. Iran hasn't developed at the same rate but I would say the raw talent would be the same but Iran hasn't got the administration to make best of it.

[babak_australia]

This is not necessarily true. It is CQ's choice to play so defensively. You really think an offensive line with the likes of dejagah, jahanbakhsh, hajsafi, rafeie, azmoun, gucci, and even shojaei wouldnt be able to pass the ball around and score? There is only so much those little deflections or individual plays will result in that one goal like they did with azmoun and gucci. If queiroz wants to succeed and first make the world cup then be relevant in it he has to at least play balanced. I just hope iran doesnt become a laughing stock by tying a minnow like myanmar 0-0 in wcq.

We scored 7 goals in 4 games in AC2015 but conceded only 3. How is that not balance?

I just dont get why people are so against CQ's tactics.

[Camran khan]

I don't think anyone thinks we have a better squad than we had 2007, and we still do have a lot of talent today too.
Please mods close this thread, it feels like the same sh!t pops up everytime we lose a game.

Ghalenoie would have a starting line-up of:

--------------Foruouzan-------------------
Heydari-Sadeghi-Omranzadeh-Beikzadeh
---------P. Nouri-Ebrahimi----------------
Y. Karimi--------------------Shahbazzadeh
------------Enayati-Borhani--------------

Good for Esteghlal fans, but definitely not good for TM.

[Ghermez Agha]

Too many inaccuracies in ur post which I'm not going to go into detail about....but the main point ur attempting to make is just wrong in every way. We have a lot of talent and we showed it both in the WC and AC. Whether or not the talent has been maximized is a different question but the talent is clearly there. I suggest you watch Iran-Argentina or Iran-south Korea (any of the 3 from the last 2 and a half years) over again if you haven't done so already.

[Karimi_1]

YOU must understand, we have a lot of talent... unfortunately it is hard to do anything with that talent in a country like Iran.

[ArminSh]

We scored 7 goals in 4 games in AC2015 but conceded only 3. How is that not balance?
I just dont get why people are so against CQ's tactics.

Simply put, we dont know what were talking about. Were talking about the same tactics that almost beat Argentina, same tactics that made most of our players look clever during WC and praised by foreign media.

We are impatient people and we want results now. Thats why Iran's future in soccer has always been foggy. Whats wrong with such a solid defense? whats wrong with counter attacks? We always look dangerous in set pieces and counters. Feels great to know we have such a solid defense.

When CQ has a certain plan and friendlies and camps are essential part of his plan, What else can he do when we cant provide it? We have talents no doubt but no future.

[Kavian]

And .. not only we don't have the talent, we don't have good coaches at club level. Just watched some of the IPL games that started this week ... teams look horrible comparing to European standards. Even the east Asians and arab team player better.

Perhaps mr ghalenoie instead of making comments about CQ and the performance of TM should take a good look the team he has been coaching... someone needs to analyse his passing tactics. non existing!!

We really need to revamp our league system from bottom up.. everything seem to be wrong there.

[eerooni]

From the recent expectations placed on TM and the criticisms of CQ it has become very clear to me that many members either (1) don't understand or (2) refuse to acknowledge a very simple fact: we currently lack talent compared to prior generations. If you've been watching TM for the last 15 years+ or so, you will understand this.
Unless you understand and acknowledge this very clear reality of TM today, your analysis of Iranian football, TM's performance this asian cup, and CQ's accomplishments can't be taken seriously. To illustrate my point, I will start with a common argument made on these forums about CQ: the argument that CQ's team in AC2015 lost in the quarterfinals in penalties, which is the exact same outcome that GN had in AC2007, hence they had equal performances and therefore CQ doesn't deserve his salary and is overrated etc.
Let's compare rosters, shall we?
AC2015 Squad
Our current squad features a total of 5 European legionnaires:
-Haghighi (starter, Penafiel)
-Azmoun (substitute, Rubin Kazan)
-Nekounam (starter, Osasuna)
-Ansarifard (substitute, Osasuna)
-Jahanbakhsh (starter, NEC)
If we want to include Gucci and Dejagah (since they were very recently in Europe), we will say 7 European legionnaires. 7 European legionnaires, and only ONE starter in a top division!!
Compare this to AC2007:
Nekounam - Osasuna - was in his prime - 26 - had just joined Osasuna and was at his absolute peak.
Ando -Bolton - was 24 years old
Rezaei - Livorno - best defender
Mahdavikia - 28 - Stuttgart - starter in his prime
Karimi - 28 - Bayern Munich - in his prime
Hashemian - 30 - Hannover
Zandi - Apollon - had just left bundesliga.
Also we had Shojaei who would join Osasuna a year later.
We basically had EIGHT PLAYERS who were either starters or super-subs for FIRST DIVISION EUROPEAN TEAMS.
If CQ had this level of talent he would win the asian cup. I don't understand how people udnerrate this factor. It's not about what CQ's acomplished - it's about what he's accomplished when CONSIDERING the dearth of talent at his disposal.
When the day comes that Iran's talent levels match our glorious past - and with CQ at the helm - we will go to the 2nd round of the WC and win AC2019 (if CQ is crazy enough to stay that long). But just made this post so that people would have a little more perspective and look to history to put our current situation into perspective!
So bas

I BEG TO DIFFER!!!! IF IFF had any leverage over AFC and we wouldn't have #@@%@ POS refs ruin us, and we would have easily won the the Iraq game then this post would have never happened!!! For once in my entire 30 years of watching TM I have hope, passion and love fro my national team.
For one, CQ as a personality has brought IMMENSE prestige, Stature and pride to our national team, as a coach we are defensively tight, cohesive and act, think, play and work as ONE ! we dont have any stars yes! and this is the GOOD thing, one day we put Gucci in front as a striker another day we see Azmoun where as before we all knew its Daei, fit or not he was our striker! Now we dont even know who is our keeper!! for 1st qualification we had rahmati, then Ahamdi, then Davari and for WC we had Haghighi! I love CQ and its NOT blind love its love for a person who has done so much while receiving so little!!

[babak_iran]

no we have talent but terrible preparations and infrastructure. Our team played better offensively without dejagah and gucci in the lineup in the past. so to say that we lack talent with this squad is completely wrong.

[Oz1]

I BEG TO DIFFER!!!! IF IFF had any leverage over AFC and we wouldn't have #@@%@ POS refs ruin us, and we would have easily won the the Iraq game then this post would have never happened!!! For once in my entire 30 years of watching TM I have hope, passion and love fro my national team.
For one, CQ as a personality has brought IMMENSE prestige, Stature and pride to our national team, as a coach we are defensively tight, cohesive and act, think, play and work as ONE ! we dont have any stars yes! and this is the GOOD thing, one day we put Gucci in front as a striker another day we see Azmoun where as before we all knew its Daei, fit or not he was our striker! Now we dont even know who is our keeper!! for 1st qualification we had rahmati, then Ahamdi, then Davari and for WC we had Haghighi! I love CQ and its NOT blind love its love for a person who has done so much while receiving so little!!

CQ got Iran a draw against a poor Nigeria and boring ass football that is all.

[eerooni]

CQ got Iran a draw against a poor Nigeria and boring ass football that is all.

Poor Nigeria??!! lets see....African champions, qualified to WC against tough opponents, qualified to round of 16! I wish TM was as 'poor' as Nigeria! pls get your facts right...

[babak_iran]

Poor Nigeria??!! lets see....African champions, qualified to WC against tough opponents, qualified to round of 16! I wish TM was as 'poor' as Nigeria! pls get your facts right...

thats not the point we would have finished with 1 point regardless without CQ