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    Iranian Blame & Hypocrisy Mentality

    All over the show on PFDC in the past week:
    From the moment Ben Williams produced that pathetic red card, it started. RIGHT FROM HALF TIME:
    - We are 1-0 up. It's HT. 15 minutes to get the team together and bring focus back....and on here, people were starting threads and making posts justifying a possible loss. That Aussie twat was being named as cause of our exit, when we were 1-0 up and in cruise control against a pathetic team. We were beaten before we came out of the tunnel in second half in most people's head (Just read some of the comments when we went 1-2 and 2-3 down). The excuse was ready-made. As if no team has ever mastered a win playing with 10 men. As if Chelsea weren't 2-0 down at Camp Nou against one of the best teams of all time at their peak and also a man down, and managed to tie the game 2-2 and go to the Champions League final. Blame #1 = Ben Williams
    Thankfully our players actually kept believing and took it to penalties (Not a Lottery by all means) and we bottled it for the 4th time in a row. But again, blaming luck, instead of our lack of preparation for such scenario. Blame #2 = Luck
    Our tournament over, we then proceeded to resort to our past and "Ifs". Anything with Ifs. If we were in, we'd be shoe-in champions. If the ref was kind to us, we'd be in World Cup quarter-finals. If Australia didn't come to AFC, Ben Williams wouldn't be able to ref our game, and none of this would have happened and we'd be crowned the champions !!! just like all those Asian Cups we were crowned the champions from 1976 to 2007 before Australia joined. Those bastards stole our god-damn trophy !! If my uncle had a vagina instead of a penis, she'd be my aunt. Blame #3 = Australia

    Then the following arguments followed

    - It was a staged tournament. Designed to ensure the hosts win it. Wonder why Qatar who has 10000 times more money and lobbying power in AFC didn't win their tournament in 2011. How about Vietnam in 2007? Surely Lebanon should have at east made the semis in 2000?
    - Australia should be kicked out because they never play us. Yep, we are THE, ONLY team not to have played Australia since their admission to AFC. They have played all of the teams in the Persian Gulf area except us. It's luck of the draw. The same luck of the draw that could have put us with England, Italy and Uruguay in the World Cup, but gave us Argentina, Bosnia and Nigeria. But yea, It's the Australian conspiracy. They are scared of 1997. They don't want to be humiliated by us again.

    Let's Join UEFA !!!!!!!
    Let's join a federation with whom we have nothing in common. Our women can't even get into a freaking stadium. We don't recognize one of UEFA's members as a state. Our infrastructure is equivalent of Siberian Gulags compared to majority of UEFA members. UEFA must willingly lay the red carpet and accept us !! We have so much to add to them. I mean, the argument to throw Australia out of AFC is that they haven't given us anything , so imagine how enthusiastically Germany, Spain, and Netherlands will be lobbying to get us to UEFA because we'll give them what Australia haven't given AFC ! Just think about it for a second.

    Let's join UEFA because AFC hates us (And yet complain Australia have stolen our WC spot by adding competition). As if UEFA loves us? Really? No country in the world has screwed Iran over the course of its history than Britain. Let's join UEFA because our infrastructure will improve. Well, being in UEFA, hasn't improved Moldova's infrastructure, it won't be a magic wand to improve us. How about ,WE , OURSELVES, improve it, regardless of the federation ? How about for once, instead of removing the question, we find an answer to it ourselves ?

    How about our league stop being ran by agents. How about our federation starts imposing rules that encourages long-term development and planning. How about we BAN 1-year contracts. How about we set a youth league in 3rd division so young players can get exposure and experience in real league environment. How about we finish a stadium on time and not 10 years past its supposed date. How about we ruthlessly kick out people who get paid to play players and not on merit from our football regardless of their standing.

    Joining UEFA / Kicking Australia out of AFC/ Sending Ben Williams to a concentration camp / etc won't solve the following problems:
    - It won't repair our weak and fragile mentality in pressure situations (Penalty Shoot outs)
    - It won't solve our nuclear issue with the West, freeing sanctions and hence more opportunity to get on with the free world
    - It won't make us win AFC Champions Leagues or Asian Cups ever other year. We haven't won one in 40 years, and the other in 25 years now.
    - It won't make our infrastructure better automatically. It won't automatically send our players to train in top European facilities
    Until we continue to blame "Zamin and Zaman" instead of looking at fundamentals of our failure in Asian and World football for DECADES, we will continue to be irrelevant at the stage where it matters. We continue to claim "Moral victories" instead of actual glory.
    Some of the comments in Asian Cup final thread, Australia thread, We'd be champions no doubt thread...are we really that much of pathetic losers ?

    #2
    I stopped reading after the first paragraph because you clearly still don't understand how Iran got robbed in that game against Iraq. Sure some fans are overreacting by mentioning it countless times and saying things like joining UEFA. However it is 100% understandable from a neutral fan point. Although the conspiracies of Australia and shit may not be true. 3 Iraqi players should have been sent off as consistently as Pouladi did. Kasem who did various fouls and two footed tackles on a yellow. Adnan barged into the back of Azmoun with his knee on purpose if I'm not mistaken and the other Iraqi player who took out Alireza H before PKs that he needs surgery now.

    Don't get me wrong, before when fans said Iran was unlucky under Daei, GN, Ghotbi (even tho it was to lesser degree) that was BS, because Iran was tactically and organizationally very WEAK so when fans made up excuses like this one, it was essentially BS. Under CQ, TM was destined for that semi and Ben Williams SINGLE HANDEDLY took it away.

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      #3
      i agree also, if you cant get it how iran got robbed then is nothing to talk about

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        #4
        Let's take a look from a closer perspective:

        1.Iraqi fans were very abusive towards Iranians ahead of the game with absolutely no reason

        2.The first ''yellow'' card by Pooladi was not even close to a foul. The Iraqi player was being very dirty by playing his actor-card

        3.For any normal referee, an attempt to being violent is a straight red! The Iraqi punched Pooladi, and this is red. Look at Pepe at the World Cup vs Germany.

        4.You know you play an unprofessional team when they applaud Ben Williams with three players together when you got sent off.

        5.Do you realize how hard it is to play for 80+ with ten men? The pressure is too much, add to the fact that you already have a lot of stress playing in the QF.

        6.Why are we Iranians so self hating? FFS, even Koreans said that we had every right to complain since we got robbed from a semi-final birth. They would have acted much worse than us, and they admitted that. We Iranians always want to put the blame on ourselves. Out with this self hating behavior.

        We are fans, we will always side with TM whatever happens. I don't know why people don't like that? I think it's quite normal to be supportive and one-sided A BIT when it comes down to your beloved national team. This is natural behavior. None of us would come out and say that Iraq deserved to go through. After all, our job is to be the 12th man all time; in times of glory and through the darkness.

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          #5
          ^ To add to that: a PROFESSIONAL referee would give Pooladi an oral WARNING in the incident with the Iraqi keeper, as he SHOULD know he already have a (thin) yellow card!! Australian commentators said it themselves!

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            #6
            What a faggotish thread

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              #7
              If you think we lost more due to a lack of preparation rather than the awful officiating of Ben Williams then I'm not sure what to say to you. Stopped reading your post there, our players looked and played like champions in all 4 AC games they were a part of, simple as that.
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                #8
                what a moronic thread. expected more when i saw who made it.

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                  #9
                  why do some feel the need to open a new thread for their thoughts?
                  راه یکی است و آن راستی است

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                    #10
                    Iranian football is being f***ed in the arse since 1980 by AFC and you're surprised people are pissed?

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                      #11
                      I just took a BIG dump right in this thread!!! Thats my answer to these types of views.

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                        #12
                        As per usual, some don't even read the paragraph to understand it.
                        Ben Williams' terrible decision put us in disadvantage, no doubt about it. But it didn't ruin our chances for good. We were 1-0 up with 45 minutes to go. It didn't completely made it "Game Over" for us. If we were 80% as AMAZING and as "shoo-in to win the tournament", "Defensively amazing" according to most PFDC threads and reactions since, we'd be able to see the game out and manage the game against a frankly Mediocre Iraq side. It's again, a case of going to extreme, and everything operating in 1s or 10s, as the case is here. We're either the "BEST" or we're "Completely Useless". Like a 14 year old girl with daddy issues.

                        We fucking love fluctuating in absolute terms. We absolutely love it. It's part of our culture. And one of many reasons we'll never reach our true potential.

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                          #13
                          That's a low of how about's in your post.. How about you all send me 100$ each?

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                            #14
                            :bs: Someone is trying to act as "Roshanfekr"

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                              #15
                              CQ should've done better by calming the players better at half time.
                              CQ's actions could've been better as a professional coach. They're usually the ones calming their players down, it shouldn't be the other way with a player having to calm down and drag a coach away, especially one of CQ's caliber.

                              I also think Iran and CQ should've done what they do best, which is to park the bus, after half time.

                              Iran's football team have always been mentally weak, which is something they should definitely work on. I mean holding Argentina for 90 mins with 11 men must've been harder than holding Iraq for 45 mins with 10 men, so why couldn't we do it? Just cuz of an Aussie jerk who threw us off our game. That shouldn't be an excuse.
                              Even in the Korea game in Azadi, we scored after going down. We've survived harder games with 11/10 men, like the Uzbekistan away game when Iran's goal was constantly under attack through the whole game, but we ended up winning. What I'm trying to say is that the Iraq team wasn't that hard even for a 10 man Iran team. But the psychological/mental effect on the team from seeing that red card is what lost us the game.

                              I love CQ and I 100% go with Masoud's comment about us having to build his statue in Iran. But he could've acted better instead of fuming for several minutes after the red. What's done is done, no one could change it. The other players didn't protest and say anything, so they weren't as incensed by the decision at the time. But CQ's actions may have just had a negative impact on them.

                              But we did well in showing we can come back when we're down, something that's been hard for TM like in the Bosnia game. We showed we are strong enough both mentally and physically. But what's bad it that we needed to go a goal behind each time to wake us up and to realise its win or nothing!

                              Another interesting point, is that set pieces can always come to our rescue when we seem down and out. Such as the Iraq AC game and Korea home WCQ.

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