surprise, surprise ... CQ refuses to play Italy

[Doctor DOOM]

With your permission Ozone jaan, I made a small correction and I think we (as a community here and as a country out there) should rinse and repeat that statement until it sinks in and becomes 2nd nature to all of us, 'cause as it stands almost every discussion about every topic gravitates to the two extremes.

The saddest part is that each extreme refuses to recognize the rigidity and extremism in their position while they accuse the other side of doing the same thing.

Oh, but I do not represent the extreme, mate. I give credit when due and critique when needed. It's just that when giving credit I don't salivate and grovel and fall down on my knees praying. I merely mention the act and the reason why I support or condone it.
EXACTLY THE SAME METHOD I CRITICIZE.

The thing is some CQ campers want us to all surrender our free will and thought and opinion because he's a coach ... as if the sport of football is like nuclear physics that needs a PhD degree to figure out something is not working right!!!
Hell, I don't even care if they want to behave like that. Just as long as they don't impose that obedient submissive attitude on me.

[PerZiano]

The way DD is talking, you would think he is right in the middle of these negotiations for the friendlies.

Apparently DD knows all the costs of bringing teams over (with no information), the costs of hotels (with no information), how much sponsors are willing to cover for any particular national team (with no information), how much ticket sales for a game that has not been played yet will amount to (with no information), the total cost of playing a particular national team (with no information), etc...


Maybe you can discretely place a tape recorder in the next round of friendly negotiations, so we can all be as close to the action as you are.

This.

[Bi-honar]

Oh, but I do not represent the extreme, mate.

You usually don't my good doktor, but in this thread you did turn and twist the truth just a bit too much for my litmus test of objectivity!

Of course, that's just my personal test. Some people here obviously think you can't criticize an airline pilot for a hard landing, or a teacher for not leavin 'em kids alone, or burnt bread from a noonva, or ... 'cause you're not a professional in that field!

[xerexes]

Some people here obviously think you can't criticize an airline pilot for a hard landing...

What you guys do is NOT like that. It's more like insisting the landing was bad when everyone could see it was fine, insisting the plane is about to crash when it clearly is not, blaming the pilot for everything from airline food to small bathrooms, and when people ask what the hell you're talking about, you tell them you played Flight Simulator once at your cousin's house.

[Amin_]

All I said was maybe you don't understand and a professional football manager at the highest level might know a thing or two more about how to prepare his team, than you.

Oh the irony and hypocricy!

So how are you in the position to criticize every little (unsignificant) issue of a certain coach and act like you know much more about managing teams and then are telling people how they are not in a position to give criticism because they don't have the same knowledge about building/managing teams than a professional football coach has?!


Don't you then think that, a coach that has managed 7 different teams, has managed TM, has worked with Iran's best players, has won the league championship 5 times (plus 2 times runner-up), has won Hazfi 2 times, who is one of the few Iranian coaches (if not THE only one) who has taken classes in Europe etc., perhaps, just perhaps, knows a little bit more about football and how to manage teams, than you do?!

Or are we once again going by the so typical Iranian double standards and hypocricy?!


Oh wait, I bet you're once again going to post the Rah Ahan practice match photo or the "ACL players list"-video, or come up with new Godfather Maffia stories how he threatened to rape, murder and pillage if they didn't hand him championships and the TM headjob, or how you "don't even consider him a coach, let alone a professional one" etc.

[KC McElroy]

If a team in Europe is looking for a coach who are they likelier to chase; a PFDC member or CQ? The answer to that should give some indication about who has a better understanding of the needs of TM.

[rugs]

Oh the irony and hypocricy!

So how are you in the position to criticize every little (unsignificant) issue of a certain coach and act like you know much more about managing teams and then are telling people how they are not in a position to give criticism because they don't have the same knowledge about building/managing teams than a professional football coach has?!


Don't you then think that, a coach that has managed 7 different teams, has managed TM, has worked with Iran's best players, has won the league championship 5 times (plus 2 times runner-up), has won Hazfi 2 times, who is one of the few Iranian coaches (if not THE only one) who has taken classes in Europe etc., perhaps, just perhaps, knows a little bit more about football and how to manage teams, than you do?!

Or are we once again going by the so typical Iranian double standards and hypocricy?!


Oh wait, I bet you're once again going to post the Rah Ahan practice match photo or the "ACL players list"-video, or come up with new Godfather Maffia stories how he threatened to rape, murder and pillage if they didn't hand him championships and the TM headjob, or how you "don't even consider him a coach, let alone a professional one" etc.

Because I don't consider GN a professional manager who has experience at the highest levels of football.

Do you consider him as such?

[rugs]

Prime example of the mentality that has survived under VELAYATE FAGHIH. surrendering all your mind and thought to another to do your thinking and forming opinion. As if one is not capable of individual thought, assessment and deduction and is always looking at an authority to do all that for him!!!

Seed Ali must be very proud of you, I assume.

It's called giving the benefit of the doubt to a professional.

What should we call your mentality? Napoleon syndrome?

[Doctor DOOM]

No. It is not anything like giving benefit of the doubt. When any criticism or even mention of an error meets pretty much the likes of ''don't talk. X is the coach, so he must be correct'' to put on bluntly and simply, that is the exact submissive, obedient behavior that I mentioned.

No man is perfect. Especially one whose past record shows both highs AND LOWS. Success as well as utter failures.
It just ain't nuke physics

[Amin_]

Because I don't consider GN a professional manager who has experience at the highest levels of football.
Do you consider him as such?

Oh certainly not on the world stage like CQ if that's what you mean with "highest level", but he certainly has on Iranian and Asian level! So do you have those experiences on those levels?!


You are telling people that they are not in a position to question certain things because they are not as experienced as a professional who has coached on a much higher level than they have. The funny thing is that I actually kinda agree with that, as I think many times people talk shit about certain matters as if they have been in the middle of it all. Like f.e. people questioning player selections as if they have been in every single training session just to name one example.


But GN has coached at the highest Iranian and Asian levels; so do you have the same experiences on those levels? Are you a professional football manager who has managed 7 different teams and has won 7 titles?! Have you taken classes in Europe or coached some of the biggest Iranian players of the last decade, either in Esteghlal, Sepahan or TM??
So do you have more experience managing teams on Iranian/Asian levels and do you consider yourself more knowledgeable in terms of building teams and managing teams?!

If the answers to those questions are "yes's", the I'm sorry and please continue. But please do share based on what you have those experiences.

If you answers are "no's", then stop the double standards! The same way you are asking people whether they are more knowledgeable than a professional coach who has experience on a higher level than them, then by the same token you should ask yourself the same question and from now on refrain from criticizing other coaches who have more experience and knowledge than you!

[O-ZoNe]

What you guys do is NOT like that. It's more like insisting the landing was bad when everyone could see it was fine, insisting the plane is about to crash when it clearly is not, blaming the pilot for everything from airline food to small bathrooms, and when people ask what the hell you're talking about, you tell them you played Flight Simulator once at your cousin's house.

The landing may not have been bad, but it is not a perfect 10 either? You guys (as rugs says collective you) feel like you have to always have a 10 or 0 for landing, but we know from all avenues of life that you can have degrees in between. With CQ the landing hasn't been perfect, because perfection or close to perfection = championship. That we can all see and agree has not happened with TM under CQ, despite the obvious improvements and other subtle setbacks.

If a team in Europe is looking for a coach who are they likelier to chase; a PFDC member or CQ? The answer to that should give some indication about who has a better understanding of the needs of TM.

Why not? A prime example is we had a world famous doctor who was a PFDC member a number of years back (not a regular). He was a friend of mine, and for a while he was talked about on the news relentlessly for his work with developing artificial hearts and being one of the first to perform the surgery as part of a medical team in the USA. People, heroes, experts can come from all walks of life. If someone has a dream, we know that "khastan = tavanestan"...anyone can be a coach anywhere. If I am not mistaken, CQ earned his college education from a University that I was affiliated with for a long time (I have heard rumours that CQ actually attended the Human Kinetics program at a University in Canada that I also studied at)...so in essence all our roots are humble in the beginning. A PFDC member surely can become a world famous coach one day if they put the time and dedication in.

[KC McElroy]

Why not? A prime example is we had a world famous doctor who was a PFDC member a number of years back (not a regular). He was a friend of mine, and for a while he was talked about on the news relentlessly for his work with developing artificial hearts and being one of the first to perform the surgery as part of a medical team in the USA. People, heroes, experts can come from all walks of life. If someone has a dream, we know that "khastan = tavanestan"...anyone can be a coach anywhere. If I am not mistaken, CQ earned his college education from a University that I was affiliated with for a long time (I have heard rumours that CQ actually attended the Human Kinetics program at a University in Canada that I also studied at)...so in essence all our roots are humble in the beginning. A PFDC member surely can become a world famous coach one day if they put the time and dedication in.

Of course they can but are any of us in that position now? I've been coaching for 15 years and am nationally certified but I think CQ knows more about a team he is currently coaching than I do regardless of what I achieve in the future.

[Nokhodi]

Oh certainly not on the world stage like CQ if that's what you mean with "highest level", but he certainly has on Iranian and Asian level! So do you have those experiences on those levels?!
You are telling people that they are not in a position to question certain things because they are not as experienced as a professional who has coached on a much higher level than they have. The funny thing is that I actually kinda agree with that, as I think many times people talk shit about certain matters as if they have been in the middle of it all. Like f.e. people questioning player selections as if they have been in every single training session just to name one example.
But GN has coached at the highest Iranian and Asian levels; so do you have the same experiences on those levels? Are you a professional football manager who has managed 7 different teams and has won 7 titles?! Have you taken classes in Europe or coached some of the biggest Iranian players of the last decade, either in Esteghlal, Sepahan or TM??
So do you have more experience managing teams on Iranian/Asian levels and do you consider yourself more knowledgeable in terms of building teams and managing teams?!
If the answers to those questions are "yes's", the I'm sorry and please continue. But please do share based on what you have those experiences.
If you answers are "no's", then stop the double standards! The same way you are asking people whether they are more knowledgeable than a professional coach who has experience on a higher level than them, then by the same token you should ask yourself the same question and from now on refrain from criticizing other coaches who have more experience and knowledge than you!

To be fair, GN has not taken any courses in Europe. This was debunked a while ago. He watched a few practices at Leverkusen (or maybe it was Kaiserslautern) and asked for some made up certificate.

[rugs]

No. It is not anything like giving benefit of the doubt. When any criticism or even mention of an error meets pretty much the likes of ''don't talk. X is the coach, so he must be correct'' to put on bluntly and simply, that is the exact submissive, obedient behavior that I mentioned.

No man is perfect. Especially one whose past record shows both highs AND LOWS. Success as well as utter failures.
It just ain't nuke physics

To me it is. And i certainly never said "don't talk".

It seems more like you cannot accept our criticism of your opinion. You're doing what you are criticizing others of doing.

[K. Nader]

To be fair, GN has not taken any courses in Europe. This was debunked a while ago. He watched a few practices at Leverkusen (or maybe it was Kaiserslautern) and asked for some made up certificate.

Was about to post the same thing. The guy went to Germany, sat in on a few practices, and then has the audacity to say that he took 'classes' in Europe. The guy is a mafia boss and Iran is his territory. I've seen him in Toronto a few times and he looks like a complete mouse. It's amazing how much a person changes when they're taken out of their natural environment.